minato is underrated - oh boy that's true

[takiyacrowz]

You people have a lot of spare time on your hands. You people take Naruto to seriously.

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Lot of speculation in this thread, im going to disregard how he got to the battlefield because I can sit here all day explaining that he used hiraishin but i dont want to...

Even with all of the feats you mentioned, he still only ends up 9th in the top 10 list, KCM is edo minato so that is disregarded as well.

every one has an opinion

i didn't even mention at what spot i should put him

but you look so much into no. game. why put him at 9. you can put him at arround 25 if you want

sighh people who think they are the only smart ones

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SJ: Now that it's officially known that Yondaime is Naruto's father, will you show more of Minato?

MK: Yes, definitly. I actually wanted to reveal more about Yondaime earlier, but other characters were in development and some fights still had to be dealt with.

SJ: While we're at it... could you please tell us if Minato was the strongest shinobi that ever lived?

MK: Hmmm, it's a tricky question. As far as dead shinobis goes, then yes, he's the strongest. I'd say that Sandaime shares the number one spot with him. As far as living shinobis goes... well, without going into many details I'd have to say no. There's a couple of shinobis whose stronger than him.

This is a late post from March 2008 Shonen Jump

SJ = Shonen Jump
MK = Masashi Kishimoto

SJ: There's many rumours regarding Madara being the absolute final villain. Is this true?

MK: Madara being the final villain is yet to be seen and I can't let that information out just yet. But he will play a big part as a villain, that's for sure.

SJ: Now that it's officially known that Yondaime is Naruto's father, will you show more of Minato?

MK: Yes, definitly. I actually wanted to reveal more about Yondaime earlier, but other characters were in development and some fights still had to be dealt with.

SJ: While we're at it... could you please tell us if Minato was the strongest shinobi that ever lived?

MK: Hmmm, it's a tricky question. As far as dead shinobis goes, then yes, he's the strongest. I'd say that Sandaime shares the number one spot with him. As far as living shinobis goes... well, without going into many details I'd have to say no. There's a couple of shinobis whose stronger than him.

SJ: Now that Itachi seems to be dead, what is Kisame going to do now?

MK: Kisame has always come off as a sidevillain whose only purpose is to travel along Itachi. But to my surprise, Kisame has gone from an unpopular character to someone whose more popular than Deidara after the Gai-fight. I won't say too much, but Kisame is a character that wont die anytime soon. I will definitly develop on his character more and possibly make him...

SJ: Make him what?

MK: It's a surprise.

I hate people with secret"Kishi"

haha let's say this fake (it's obviously fake interview) is not fake
still i'm happy
among the dead shinobi's which includes itachi, minato shares no. 1 spot with hashi. lol
couple of alive are stronger -> may be nagato/naruto and obito

I'm an Itachi, as well as, a Minato fan being totally unbiased......It's rather unfair to declare someone as being overrated/underrated while the extent of his/her abilities are unknown. it's fair however, to declare one's abilities to be OR/UR after making an assessment based upon that which is known. Having said that.......This is a VERY interesting theory!!!!!!!. It's plausible both logically and arithmetically, thus making it tenable. I assume you worked assiduously while hypothesizing certain aspects I'm sure some Itachi Fanboys, after reading this, will cast aspersions on Minato Lol Lol

i don't know why the hell people keep talking about itachi. i didn't mentioned him even once in my thread .

 

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Lot of speculation in this thread, im going to disregard how he got to the battlefield because I can sit here all day explaining that he used hiraishin but i dont want to...

Even with all of the feats you mentioned, he still only ends up 9th in the top 10 list, KCM is edo minato so that is disregarded as well.

no need, he used shunshin as tobirama says in the viz
viz translates shunshin as teleporting and hiraishin as instantaneous teleportation

 

[Draphsin]

no need, he used shunshin as tobirama says in the viz
viz translates shunshin as teleporting and hiraishin as instantaneous teleportation

Nope, hiraishin is translated to "flying thunder god", tobirama doesnt know the name of minato's technique, thats like minato knowing the name of naruto's rasenshuriken.

 

[End of Days]

Nope, hiraishin is translated to "flying thunder god", tobirama doesnt know the name of minato's technique, thats like minato knowing the name of naruto's rasenshuriken.

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Rin: Master's art of instantaneous teleportation....is so fast!

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Mei: "Instantaneous transportation...wasn't that the Fourth Hokage's Jutsu?"

Hiraishin = instantaneous teleportation/transportation

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Shisui the teleporter or Shunshin no Shisui

Shunshin = teleporting

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Tobirama says teleporting so its shunshin

 

[Draphsin]

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Hiraishin = instantaneous teleportation/transportation

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Shisui the teleporter or Shunshin no Shisui

Shunshin = teleporting

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Tobirama says teleporting so its shunshin

Shunshin is referred to as teleportation, tobirama has no way of knowing that minato calls his jutsu hiraishin, & tobirama has no way to even know that minato is using s/t. (Hiraishin = the name of FTG, not instantaneous teleportation, this is a fact).

Tobirama also compared minato's shunshin to his own, tobirama isnt faster than the other hokage so it doesnt make sense unless he was referring to teleportation, aka tobirama's version of hiraishin.

These, coupled with the fact that minato teleported to his kunai in front of naruto, & the distance between konoha & the ocean is absolutely ridiculous for someone to reach with regular foot speed, makes it more likely than not for minato to have used FTG.

^^^ The reasons why tobirama did not refer to regular shunshin. Rin mistook fast movement for shunshin, this also proves that minato's FTG has the appearance of shunshin, further meaning that tobirama can generalize as he has nothing else to call it...

 

[Minator93]

Shunshin is referred to as teleportation, tobirama has no way of knowing that minato calls his jutsu hiraishin, & tobirama has no way to even know that minato is using s/t. (Hiraishin = the name of FTG, not instantaneous teleportation, this is a fact).

Tobirama also compared minato's shunshin to his own, tobirama isnt faster than the other hokage so it doesnt make sense unless he was referring to teleportation, aka tobirama's version of hiraishin.

These, coupled with the fact that minato teleported to his kunai in front of naruto, & the distance between konoha & the ocean is absolutely ridiculous for someone to reach with regular foot speed, makes it more likely than not for minato to have used FTG.

^^^ The reasons why tobirama did not refer to regular shunshin. Rin mistook fast movement for shunshin, this also proves that minato's FTG has the appearance of shunshin, further meaning that tobirama can generalize as he has nothing else to call it...

Rin didn't U_U

The Viz says :

Rin: Master's art of instantaneous teleportation....is so fast!

The following are the viz translations so forget everything else U_U

1. The word "shunshin" = the word "teleporting"

2. The word "Jikukan Ninjutsu" = the word "instantaneous teleportation" or "instantaneous transportation"

Minato's FTG aka Hiraishin and Obito's Kamui fall under the category - Jikukan Ninjutsu i.e. instantaneous teleportation.

 

[Draphsin]

Rin didn't U_U

The Viz says :

Rin: Master's art of instantaneous teleportation....is so fast!

Okay well this makes more sense, okay rin called it instant, well so did tobirama essentially..

The following are the viz translations so forget everything else U_U

1. The word "shunshin" = the word "teleporting"

2. The word "Jikukan Ninjutsu" = the word "instantaneous teleportation" or "instantaneous transportation"

Minato's FTG aka Hiraishin and Obito's Kamui fall under the category - Jikukan Ninjutsu i.e. instantaneous teleportation.

Exactly, tobirama commented on how minato's teleporting is better than his own, tobirama's teleporting isnt instantaneous, so yeah he was right to say that minato's teleporting is better than his, because his isn't instant.

What is he gonna say? "Minato your instantaneous teleportation is better than my own"? Do you realize that makes no sense given the fact that you cant get any better than instantaneous? & tobirama wasnt commenting on the quality of the jutsu either because from what we've seen his is better because it requires no seals. So the only way that minato's FTG can be better than tobi's is if its faster, & if its instantaneous then you cant get any faster than that. Therefore tobirama simply referred to it as teleportation because its instant while tobi's isnt.

 

[Minator93]

Okay well this makes more sense, okay rin called it instant, well so did tobirama essentially..



Exactly, tobirama commented on how minato's teleporting is better than his own, tobirama's teleporting isnt instantaneous, so yeah he was right to say that minato's teleporting is better than his, because his isn't instant.

What is he gonna say? "Minato your instantaneous teleportation is better than my own"? Do you realize that makes no sense given the fact that you cant get any better than instantaneous? & tobirama wasnt commenting on the quality of the jutsu either because from what we've seen his is better because it requires no seals. So the only way that minato's FTG can be better than tobi's is if its faster, & if its instantaneous then you cant get any faster than that. Therefore tobirama simply referred to it as teleportation because its instant while tobi's isnt.

Dude you're confused Zzz

Jikukan Ninjutsu is INSTANTANEOUS U_U

Shunshin is TELEPORTATION U_U

Don't tell me that Shisui was a Jikukan Ninjutsu user because the Uchiha fodders called him Shisui the best at TELEPORTATION.


What Tobirama said about teleporting translates to - 4th Your're Foot Speed surpasses my own.

 

[End of Days]

Shunshin is referred to as teleportation, tobirama has no way of knowing that minato calls his jutsu hiraishin, & tobirama has no way to even know that minato is using s/t.

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i think its rather obvious when someone uses S/T

These, coupled with the fact that minato teleported to his kunai in front of naruto, & the distance between konoha & the ocean is absolutely ridiculous for someone to reach with regular foot speed, makes it more likely than not for minato to have used FTG.

the kunai wasnt thrown all the way from konoha, the kunai was used to deflect juubi dama, then minato threw it in front of naruto to make a dramatic appearance, that is unrelated to how he reached the battlefield

^^^ The reasons why tobirama did not refer to regular shunshin. Rin mistook fast movement for shunshin, this also proves that minato's FTG has the appearance of shunshin, further meaning that tobirama can generalize as he has nothing else to call it...

Rin did not mistook ftg for shunshin, that was a mistranslation

 

[Draphsin]

Dude you're confused Zzz

w.e you say, i know when someone is using a jutsu rather than foot speed..

Jikukan Ninjutsu is INSTANTANEOUS U_U

No its not, its instantaneous teleportation/transportation, you said it yourself...

Shunshin is TELEPORTATION U_U

Don't tell me that Shisui was a Jikukan Ninjutsu user because the Uchiha fodders called him Shisui the best at TELEPORTATION.

Wow.....Was shisui's shunshin instant? Shunshin is teleportation, thats it. Shisui was the best teleporter so he was the fastest teleporter, but you can never reach instantaneous speeds like that.

& btw body flicker jutsu is not regular footspeed like you assume.

What Tobirama said about teleporting translates to - 4th Your're Foot Speed surpasses my own.

No it literally translates to "you're better at teleporting than me" Lets say I give you the BotD, shunshin isn't foot speed anyways so you are wrong to say that he used it. Shunshin =/= footspeed.

Also, explain to me why tobirama only referred to himself & not everybody else when talking about it. Tobi would have to be faster than the other hokage for that statement to make sense in your context, but he's just as fast as the other hokage. He had to be referring to FTG because those two are the only ones who can use it to travel at extreme speeds. Minato's better at teleporting because his teleporting is instant, while tobi's isnt.

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i think its rather obvious when someone uses S/T

I think its obvious when someone uses teleportation to travel instantly to the eye, theres nothing indicating that the jutsu itself is s/t other than the fact that its instant, however all shunshin looks like instant teleportation by that logic.

the kunai wasnt thrown all the way from konoha, the kunai was used to deflect juubi dama, then minato threw it in front of naruto to make a dramatic appearance, that is unrelated to how he reached the battlefield

I did not say that minato threw it from konoha.....What ever happened to throw, catch, throw, catch until he got there?

Rin did not mistook ftg for shunshin, that was a mistranslation

Either way, it still makes no canonical or logical sense for minato to have used foot speed to accomplish those feats.

 

[takiyacrowz]

Okay well this makes more sense, okay rin called it instant, well so did tobirama essentially..



Exactly, tobirama commented on how minato's teleporting is better than his own, tobirama's teleporting isnt instantaneous, so yeah he was right to say that minato's teleporting is better than his, because his isn't instant.

What is he gonna say? "Minato your instantaneous teleportation is better than my own"? Do you realize that makes no sense given the fact that you cant get any better than instantaneous? & tobirama wasnt commenting on the quality of the jutsu either because from what we've seen his is better because it requires no seals. So the only way that minato's FTG can be better than tobi's is if its faster, & if its instantaneous then you cant get any faster than that. Therefore tobirama simply referred to it as teleportation because its instant while tobi's isnt.

dude every one is missunderstood here, even the wiki says it's not very clear
it can only be understood by common sense
i wanna remind you about the time
when tobi confronted k11 and kakashi for the first time

shino said about tobi's technique "it wasn't teleportation cuz teleportation is very high speed and my bugs would have followed him"

kakashi thinks "then it was a space time jutsu"

shunshin is referred as teleportation many times in the manga even in the viz translation but it should not be confused as s/t jutsu like ftg (hirashin), or summoning.

it's just vague names of the jutsu which are creating doubts. and i'm positive shunshin itself means teleportation in english but it is not meant to be teleportation exactly in the manga, shunshin doesn't require seal marking you can agree with that,
Rin's statement "sensei no shunshin no jutsu - hayai " is just a mistake from Rin's part, cuz i don't believe her to know hirashin. and that's how it should be.

you can argue over and over but we never find a solution. unless you understand the common mistake in the manga and take it as it is.

overall i understand hirashin is actual teleportation which is referred s/t in the manga and it requires seal marking
and shunshin is actually just speed blitz but it is referred as teleportation in the manga (which it shouldn't be) and you don't need seal marking for it

that's all

 

[Minator93]

w.e you say, i know when someone is using a jutsu rather than foot speed..



No its not, its instantaneous teleportation/transportation, you said it yourself...



Wow.....Was shisui's shunshin instant? Shunshin is teleportation, thats it. Shisui was the best teleporter so he was the fastest teleporter, but you can never reach instantaneous speeds like that.

& btw body flicker jutsu is not regular footspeed like you assume.



No it literally translates to "you're better at teleporting than me" Lets say I give you the BotD, shunshin isn't foot speed anyways so you are wrong to say that he used it. Shunshin =/= footspeed.

Also, explain to me why tobirama only referred to himself & not everybody else when talking about it. Tobi would have to be faster than the other hokage for that statement to make sense in your context, but he's just as fast as the other hokage. He had to be referring to FTG because those two are the only ones who can use it to travel at extreme speeds. Minato's better at teleporting because his teleporting is instant, while tobi's isnt.

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aka Teleportation Jutsu aka Shunshin no Jutsu

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Kanji 瞬身の術
Rōmaji Shunshin no Jutsu
Literal English Body Flicker Technique
English TV Teleportation Jutsu

Its a high-speed movement that Minato and all others used U_U

Tobirama is a self conscious person. That's why he said it. Hiruzen knew that Minato was fast to begin with and that's why he said Minato you're fast as ever

Now if it was a Jikukan Ninjutsu then why did Hiruzen comment on his SPEED??

 

[takiyacrowz]

1. Shunshin is not foot speed.... It is a ninja technique.

2. your explanation of the kunai in the sea makes sense as much as the people who say he threw it....

1. okay, but it doesn't require destination seal so it's basically a speedblitz

2. yes it should, thx

How would minato know that the marking is on tsunade's slug?
How do you know if tsunade's slug is still summoned/ still has the marking?

Answer me those two questions.

Last time i checked tobirama said they used body flicker to get to the battle field, not ftg

good question sorry i didn't notice earlier
when he gave a ftg kunai to kakashi how do you think he knew plz think about it kunai was not static since kakashi was moving.
the thing is any where in the world the marking is the user must know about it otherwise it's a useless jutsu.

slug must be still there since tsunade wants to heal the other kage and i'm sure she was not done yet

 

[BenjerminGaye]

1. okay, but it doesn't require destination seal so it's basically a speedblitz

2. yes it should, thx




good question sorry i didn't notice earlier
when he gave a ftg kunai to kakashi how do you think he knew plz think about it kunai was not static since kakashi was moving.
the thing is any where in the world the marking is the user must know about it otherwise

slug must be still there since tsunade wants to heal the other kage and i'm sure she was not done yet

yes yes he did say that:

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[takiyacrowz]

yes yes he did say that:

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actually i've seen a different translation too in which he don't say anything about the flying kunai.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

actually i've seen a different translation too in which he don't say anything about the flying kunai.

really?
but the general consensus is that he can tell where his kunai/markings are regardless of the creator. If not then i might just go back to disagreeing.

 

[takiyacrowz]

really?
but the general consensus is that he can tell where his kunai/markings are regardless of the creator. If not then i might just go back to disagreeing.

that's how it should be, cuz i thought about it milion times and i can't see any other possibility. i mean sensible possibility.

 

[Draphsin]

Here's the

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aka Teleportation Jutsu aka Shunshin no Jutsu

Make sure you open that link and read :

Kanji 瞬身の術
Rōmaji Shunshin no Jutsu
Literal English Body Flicker Technique
English TV Teleportation Jutsu

Its a high-speed movement that Minato and all others used U_U

This is going to continuously go back & forth, so im going to compromise, your response determines your stubbornness Lol.

Lets say that minato used body flicker to reach the battlefield, youre seriously going to tell me that he didnt use FTG at least once in his entire travel? Just because tobirama commented on body flicker doesnt mean that he only used body flicker, to assume so is ignorant.

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- youre telling me that he didnt FTG to that kunai? Please dont say that he didnt because Im trying to agree to a point.. If you do disagre then tell me why minato even needed his kunai to reach naruto..

Why couldnt minato have simply outrun tobirama with shunshin, then proceed to use FTG to throw kunai & reach back to the battle from the ocean?

Tobirama is a self conscious person. That's why he said it. Hiruzen knew that Minato was fast to begin with and that's why he said Minato you're fast as ever

"Tobirama is a self conscious person" is not a legitimate answer.. From what we've seen he's honest & truthful & unafraid to speak the truth (blunt). Praising minato's abilities is much more likely for him than downplaying his own. & Hiruzen could've simply been referring to minato's speed because he's the fastest man in the series. FTG makes him that fast so its not absurd for hiruzen to be speaking of it.

Anyways, all this is irrelevant, Im agreeing to a point now but its up to you whether you want to continue this debate by completely ignoring the possibility of FTG being used, or by compromising & agreeing that he didnt use body flicker for everything...

Now if it was a Jikukan Ninjutsu then why did Hiruzen comment on his SPEED??

Because FTG counts towards his overall speed, why is this hard to fathom? But anyways, ^^^^

 

[BenjerminGaye]

that's how it should be, cuz i thought about it milion times and i can't see any other possibility. i mean sensible possibility.

at least we found some common ground....Id prefer if he just ran there like a boss but whatever. This works out too.

 

[takiyacrowz]

at least we found some common ground....Id prefer if he just ran there like a boss but whatever. This works out too.

running on the ground ? _@:

i already declared him speed demon
how much faster do you want XD

the distance bet_n konoha and suna is same as the distance bet_n konoha and battlefield (according to map)
the distance bet_n konoha and suna took 2 days for kakashi and company (gara rescue ark)