Misconception: Minato defeats sasori. When in fact sasori defeats Minato mid diff.

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Then why don't you counter it? No wait. Why don't you counter a FLYING SASORI.

Minato can counter a flying Sasori. He's been shown to place kunai at distant areas. He placed one at the sea.

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Plus, it doesn't have to be 100% accurate since he has a radius to he can teleport in.
 

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Minato can counter a flying Sasori. He's been shown to place kunai at distant areas. He placed one at the sea.

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Plus, it doesn't have to be 100% accurate since he has a radius to he can teleport in.

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That didn't counter a flying Sasori at all, man.. Plus that would be considered as prep time.
 

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as i said sasori destroying ftg kunai part itself is wrong, since his fire flame is single and wide
the distance you are mentioning seems nothing whrn you are talking about minato
his shunshin itself is capable of dealing with it
and to prove that i give u people some link
but you people are so busy downrating minato you are taking even a look
all right
how far do you think minato went to set the kunai to teleport the biggest TBB ever

yea the biggest ttb ever, it was also moving as fast as lightning at that point right? (sarcasm)

How is the part about sasori destroying the kunai wrong? your acting like sasori cant wave his arms around making the fire cover a great distance...
 

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That didn't counter a flying Sasori at all, man.. Plus that would be considered as prep time.

He just arrived at the battle field. He had little to no prep time. Also, it's possible that he threw it there.
 

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yea the biggest ttb ever, it was also moving as fast as lightning at that point right? (sarcasm)

How is the part about sasori destroying the kunai wrong? your acting like sasori cant wave his arms around making the fire cover a great distance...

so tell me what was the speed of TBB,
and yaa as you said sasori is secretive why he is already out and flaming the kunai
 
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Minato has shown the ability to use space-time barriers at a distance away from himself. This means that he can use it to take Sasori's fire and iron sand magnet release and teleport it to a distant kunai, preventing Sasori from getting rid of them. This enables him to use FTG regarless of magnet release. For proof that he can do this, read my first post.

take sasoris fire? and after minato accomplishes that, sasori cant simply turn back on his flamethrower??
you mean minato teleporting the 3rd kazekage puppet it self or the sand? if minato teleports the sand the 3rd kazekage puppet can simply produce more sand..

if he teleports the puppet i see no reason why sasori cant just summon it back
 

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going by this scan we can possibly assume sasori has started without the use of hiruko first..

No. That scan tells us that there was possibly another ninja -- potentially 3rd kazekage since the other person to see his human body could not have destroyed this puppet if he had it since he's using it here. Also, he would have most likely used 3rd kazekage before himself against such a ninja. who knows -- who got past hiruko. Hiruko was modified. Therefore, I can also assume that it was potentially destroyed that's why he found it necessary to up it's diffence. Notice how he said "It's been a long time" hence he usually, if not always, starts in hiruko and only resorts to human after all his defences have been bypassed.

Anyway, you guys say sasori isn't stupid. But you use, literally, the dumbest strategies to fight minato. You guys reduce sasori's intelligence immensely. A smart sasori wouldn't pull out his best puppet (3rd kazekage) instantly in a situation like this against such an opponent. He'd do other things first. And he'd Definitely want to start in hiruko. That would be his smartest move, period.
 

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You actually provided some pretty good point's i almost wanna agree,but before i do, i stress you to watch this fight over again and tell me how much of those techniques would actually hit minato.

And btw,using bleach really isn't a good example especially when you're talking about aizen. just sayin..
But i understand where you're coming from,i almost even agree.
 
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haha manga scan of his edo advantage?

The larger the projectile is, the more chakra it takes to FTG it. EDO Minato would have an advantage FTG'ing such a large projectile like that JBB


The fact it took him more time to FTG the Kyuubi's TBB than the Juubi's is proofy proof :happy:
 

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so tell me what was the speed of TBB,
and yaa as you said sasori is secretive why he is already out and flaming the kunai

this is the 4th hokage why the hell would sasori still be in hiruko..

he used his real body against chiyo and sakura :|

Minato is more of dangerous threat compared to chiyo and sakura...



^^^ yeah minato warping the juubi ttb when it was going as fast a a motorized scooter. :eww:
 

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Rep for effort!

You made some really good points, not too sure how I feel about it but Sasori definitely has a shot, his hype was crazy compared to the way he let himself die.
 

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No. That scan tells us that there was possibly another ninja -- potentially 3rd kazekage since the other person to see his human body could not have destroyed this puppet if he had it since he's using it here. Also, he would have most likely used 3rd kazekage before himself against such a ninja. who knows -- who got past hiruko. Hiruko was modified. Therefore, I can also assume that it was potentially destroyed that's why he found it necessary to up it's diffence. Notice how he said "It's been a long time" hence he usually, if not always, starts in hiruko and only resorts to human after all his defences have been bypassed.

Anyway, you guys say sasori isn't stupid. But you use, literally, the dumbest strategies to fight minato. You guys reduce sasori's intelligence immensely. A smart sasori wouldn't pull out his best puppet (3rd kazekage) instantly in a situation like this against such an opponent. He'd do other things first. And he'd Definitely want to start in hiruko. That would be his smartest move, period.

why would he not pull out his kazekage puppet when its a counter to minatos ftg seals? :erm:

Sure he can stay in his hiruko puppet for a bit and try to stretch some things out but why risk that when he can start off with his best puppets and use there full potential the moment he can seize it?
 

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Re: Misconception: Minato rapes sasori. When in fact sasori defeats Minato mid diff.

This is an actual, backed up, thread. Any character bashing, spamming, idiocy ... Etc. Will be reported. <(-.-<)

I'm pretty sure that guy Indubitable from your sig has never heard of the order of operations, 1 + 1x2 + 1x2 = 5 and should be read 1 + (1x2) + (1x2) 1+2+2.

But anyway onto the thread. It's not a misconception it's called an opinion and it just so happens their's conflicts with yours.

I don't think it'd be an easy fight for either but Sasori's poison gives him a big up unless Minato gets a Kunai outside of his poison cloud (which thanks to your sand bullet attack implication could happen with a deflected Kunai)

Which leads me to my second point, the kunai may not need to be in a certain location rather just scattered around the battle field, Minato is sharp I'm sure he could locate each kunai mid fight, which would make Iron Bullets not a good defense. The fire still an option given the kunai can burn or melt ( which I can't recall seeing as of yet but hey who knows)

The only other real counter I have to what you said is Sasori using the sand as a wall behind him at all times. A, that would take a lot of his attention off the battle and Minato could theoretically place a seal somewhere in the sand which could get formed into Sasori's barrier. If that happens or Minato can sneakily place a seal on the sand wall, he would have a perfect spot to ambush Sasori from which would give Sasori virtually no time to respond.
 

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I'm pretty sure that guy Indubitable from your sig has never heard of the order of operations, 1 + 1x2 + 1x2 = 5 and should be read 1 + (1x2) + (1x2) 1+2+2.

But anyway onto the thread. It's not a misconception it's called an opinion and it just so happens their's conflicts with yours.

I don't think it'd be an easy fight for either but Sasori's poison gives him a big up unless Minato gets a Kunai outside of his poison cloud (which thanks to your sand bullet attack implication could happen with a deflected Kunai)

Which leads me to my second point, the kunai may not need to be in a certain location rather just scattered around the battle field, Minato is sharp I'm sure he could locate each kunai mid fight, which would make Iron Bullets not a good defense. The fire still an option given the kunai can burn or melt ( which I can't recall seeing as of yet but hey who knows)

The only other real counter I have to what you said is Sasori using the sand as a wall behind him at all times. A, that would take a lot of his attention off the battle and Minato could theoretically place a seal somewhere in the sand which could get formed into Sasori's barrier. If that happens or Minato can sneakily place a seal on the sand wall, he would have a perfect spot to ambush Sasori from which would give Sasori virtually no time to respond.

Thanks for the support. Regarding the wall of sand being a defense behind sasori theres no way to tell for sure that the kunai itself would even stick in the sand, maybe if it was quick sand but its iron sand its hard and dense.

so you are saying he will come out right away and use fire .
lol than he is owned right away no need to go into 3rd kazekage, and other things.
good fanfiction BTW

about the TBB speed
dude use common sense (err i forgot you are biased hater, sorry)if they won't draw those picture how will we know what happened,
it's not even funny that you believe it was as slow as scooter

Wow i meant one possible way to make the ftg kunai ineffective would be to use his firethrower..

Did you not see the big pillars of stone slow the down the TBB?? when i said motorized scooter i was simply trying to illustrate the speed of the tbb wasnt that great.
 
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Re: Misconception: Minato rapes sasori. When in fact sasori defeats Minato mid diff.

Thanks for the support. Regarding the wall of sand being a defense behind sasori theres no way to tell for sure that the kunai itself would even stick in the sand, maybe if it was quick sand but its iron sand its hard and dense.

That's what I'm saying because it is harder and more dense than regular sand Minato may be able to place just a seal on it like he did Obito(no kunai) and pop out of the seal right behind Sasori. Or he could put the seal on the ground while he's "running/dodging" attacks then when Sasori makes his iron sand with the real sand it might get mixed up within Sasori's jutsu
 

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....Aaaand using the giant letters again... Tobirama said (Or who ever it was. Can't really remeber) that they're gonna use FTG to travel to the battlefield and that's how Minato covered that much ground. FTG.



Sooo.. If you have an Itachi avatar = Minato hater? Why isn't this a Itachi > Minato thread then?

If I made a thread with my favorite characters arch enemy, of course you are going to take the side of whoever he is facing.There is multiple other characters to make Sasori face but it had to be Minato?Why not Kakazu?Deidara?

If this was Sasori vs Deidara who would you say wins?
 

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If I made a thread with my favorite characters arch enemy, of course you are going to take the side of whoever he is facing.There is multiple other characters to make Sasori face but it had to be Minato?Why not Kakazu?Deidara?

If this was Sasori vs Deidara who would you say wins?

Arch enemy ? Itachi and Minato have never interacted with one another. Don't be so stupid <(-.-<) He chose Minato because people said he stomps Sasori, and sadly that is not the case.
 

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why would he not pull out his kazekage puppet when its a counter to minatos ftg seals? :erm:

Sure he can stay in his hiruko puppet for a bit and try to stretch some things out but why risk that when he can start off with his best puppets and use there full potential the moment he can seize it?

I will give you your best arguement which will allow sasori to actually be able to defeat minato. You can add in proof and extras to it as you see fit.

Firstly, Sasori WILL WANT TO START IN HIRUKO.
This is because, hiruko eliminates all his short comings. He doesn't have any visible finger movement or chakra strings (predict attacks). His heart isn't visible (weak spot). He isn't vulnerable to taijutsu. And, Most importantly, hiruko has heavy armor.

In hiruko, he can assess minato's abilties and techniques. Hiruko alone would single handedly allow him to see FTG and potentially FTG v2 in action. Sasori would then pressure minato with hiruko's traps and tail etc. None of this will hit minato. But that isn't the point. Sasori has gained valuable intel on the fight, and now he has reduced his opponents stamina just a wee bit.

Now, if minato either;
Destroys hiruko, or summons bunta

Sasori's next move would be to activate his human self as quickly as possible (this is to offer some form of extra defence for his human body through the chain, blades, and fire. Especially giving him time to even do a summoning as minato won't be able just blitz rush through that and would have to take at least a moment to formulate his next move). Minato won't necessarily know about his heart weakness, so the defence of human puppet is just enough for sasori to survive any devastating attack during what should be his next move after leaving hiruko.

Next Step

SUMMON ALL 300 puppets. Minato is a shinobi of quality. None of sasori's puppets are of the quality of a shinobi like minato. Sasori needs to use quantity over single quality here. With this, sasori needs to surround himself with a few puppets, while using a few hundred of them to start pressuring minato and bunta. The puppets covering him are enough to counter incoming kunai. Alongside his human body, these 30+ puppets surrounding him can be used to keep minato away from his real body. This is a very valuable strategy as i cannot stress that minato doesn't know about his real body assembling or his hopping heart. If minato somehow bypasses all this defence, sasori can hop hearts just before/during a hit. His puppets will be close enough and he can quickly counter attack to get minato to FTG away etc. the 100-250 other puppets all put pressure on minato and bunta while they're at a distance. Sasori weaves them around toad bullets to inch them closer, even if he has to move himself with his army of puppets surrounding him. His job here is to get rid of bunta and continue to wear down minato. This will be hard to almost impossible, and might not even be likely.

If sasori manages to get rid of bunta, good on him. Minato lost some chakra/stamina summoning bunta and has been significantly drained from this drawn out fight with all these puppets and sasori's hopping heart. When sasori's down to less than 10 puppets, it is time to bring out kazekage. This way, he still has some defences while kazekage is coming out and summoning IS for use. Now, Sasori has far fewer puppets to control so has better control over them, has some puppets to hop hearts to(keeping them around him for defence/obstacle) and has kazekage on the attack.

If bunta is gone by this point, that's very good as kazekage's IS has a far easier task now. If not, well shit, sasori's lost. But, If bunta is actually dead, This is where magnetism becomes useful. There'd be a litter of kunai around the field by now and sasori can manipulate them to whereever he wants and can Also use some IS for extra defence/flight. Eventually, minato will start to get warn down and his speed and reactions would slow ever so slightly. Sasori's chances of getting a scratch in would be increased greatly, and the chance of minato destroying kazekage puppet would be reduced to almost nothing (bunta tired/dead. Minato possibly used 2+ Rasengan, a few 10s of FTG etc, so his stamina is lowered). Since sasori has the speed, scale/power(bunta and other summons), and pupeteer disadvantages, he needs to use a strategy that'd best cover his bases. Especially against that speed part, it's the real killer... and maybe sasori can win High diff... Maybe... Assuming he's not killed right out of hiruko before he can even start up human body that is.

This way, sasori's strategy is to keep his defence as tight and as strong as possible and have puppets to quickly hop hearts to as soon as he gets out of hiruko. He needs to eliminate his taijutsu and heart disadvantage from the get go and wear out a speed demon like minato before pulling out his trump card. Bring out Kazekage would simply just let a full stamina minato form a quick strategy to destroy his best puppet, and from there it's all downhill. Sasori would have no chance of winning what so ever.

This is a chest battle, not some muscle flexing I have more power than you. Sasori needs to get to weed out minato's tips and tricks while keeping one of his best ones a secret for as long as possible. It's true kazekage is his best bet in this fight, but against a fast, strong, smart opponent who's full strength would just be suicide.



Something along those lines at least.
Hiruko to Sasori + 300 puppet army to kazekage( best for last - Ruin FTG offense again )
 

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take sasoris fire? and after minato accomplishes that, sasori cant simply turn back on his flamethrower??
you mean minato teleporting the 3rd kazekage puppet it self or the sand? if minato teleports the sand the 3rd kazekage puppet can simply produce more sand..

if he teleports the puppet i see no reason why sasori cant just summon it back



I don't know what you're talking about with the flamethrower, please explain further. And yes, I'm talking about the sand. We've seen no evidence that the puppet can make new sand. If Sasori could have made more sand, wouldn't he have done it to annihilate Sakura and Chiyo? Just because the 3rd kazekage's powers are similar to Garra's doesn't mean that they're the same. That's just speculation.

Regardless, removing sand wasn't my point. My point was that it would protect Minato's kunai and allow Minato to use FTG despite Sasori's attempts to stop him. Once he sees the barrier, Sasori wouldn't waste time and keep using a failed strategy. If he kept focusing on the kunai, Minato could throw one and use FTG2 to blitz him.


Sorry it took so long to reply. I had to change tires.
 
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If Kishi wanted Sasori to be as powerful a Hokage, he wouldn't have got beaten in the first arc.
 
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