Misconception: Minato defeats sasori. When in fact sasori defeats Minato mid diff.

[ItachiStillSolos]

Honestly if Sasori manages to fly he pretty much secured victory if he doesn't I honestly can't see Minato falling for any of Sasori's attacks. U_U

 

[Prince Charles]

Alright, OP, there's some flaws in you logic.

1. You refuted that Minato's ransengan isn't as strong as Sakura's punch by comparing the damage that both caused. Given what you showed us, it would seem that Sakura's is better. However, you only showed us the instant that the ransengan his Obito. You didn't show the destruction that followed. Here's what happened after it hit.

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I'd say that that's comparable to the craters of Sakura's punch.


2. You said that Sasori could summon his puppets back, but you're forgetting this.

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Minato can use reverse contract seal to stop him from summoning them back. It's also likely that, since Minato's a sealing master, that he has a seal that would prevent Sasori from using chakra strings by using something like 5 prong seal. That's the only real problems I have with your reasoning. I think Minato wins for reasons I mentioned in an earlier post.

Minato also has barriers that he was confident that could contain Kurama.

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That was my bad i forgot about the next panel of the obito fight where minato uses rasegan ill edit my OP.

Theres no proof that a contract seal wold work on a puppet body its mere speculation.

 

[AGoodBoy]

FTG is useless because of the Kazekage puppet though. The 3rd Kazekage has Magnet release which allows him to attract the kunais, meaning Sasori can predict where he is gonna warp or wrap the kunais with Iron Sand so Minato won't teleport to it. The body flicker part, I agree.

No it's not. Moving kunai is stupid. It does nothing. He needs to destroy it or it's no good. Minato has an effective 15m Radius around his kunai to teleport to. at least.

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[Prince Charles]

Everything you post is just desperate troll garbage. Throw manga scans at you, and you throw back. " But sasori ". Ay, Obito, obito's explosive tags, kyuubi couldn't hit minato, but a blade and cable will. Sasori must have those blades infused with the power of a dying star. Tell him give me some of that gamma radiation. I'd like to dabble with my hulk experiments.

This thread has officially been derailed to troll status.

@Prince charles: Chiyo dodged that hiruko trap but minato won't. Lmfao.

Yeah thats because sasori will use the same type of attack all the time :eww:

 

[Prince Charles]

No it's not. Moving kunai is stupid. It does nothing. He needs to destroy it or it's no good. Minato has an effective 15m Radius around his kunai to teleport to. at least.

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You never took into consideration if sasori possibly throws the kunai out of the 15m radius with the use of his magnet release? I already provided ways for sasori to destroy the kunai

 

[AGoodBoy]

Yeah thats because sasori will use the same type of attack all the time :eww:

Don't know what that's supposed to mean. But you obviously think this fight will last long enough for sasori to experiment with how he can beat minato. Still don't know what attack you believe he has that can hit minato's shushin.

 

[Owarij]

As for the OT: It seems a bit biased for Sasori here, set up strictly to win in an OOC way. Sasori would always start out in Hiruko

I sometimes wonder how dumb people think Sasori is.. and its funny how everyone say "sasori always starts in hiruko" , like if they have seen him fight more than once lmao..

facts.. orochimaru has seen him out of it.. meaning in the past he fought without it...
facts.. he used his 100 puppets to take down the country...meaning based on WHAT he's going up against, he uses an appropriate puppet...

he likes being secretive, so he hides himself in hiruko..that doesn't mean he always fights in hiruko... he was up against a grandma and a pink haired teenager.. I doubt any of you would have seen them as such a threat that you had to bring out your biggest guns first..

But to think he'd go up against a well known hokage, and walk up to him in hiruko ?... Sasori is a genius, but you people make him sound idiotic

 

[Baka Sennin]

well, Sasori does have a good edge over a lot of people, he's insanely hard to kill off and even a slight scratch can prove fatal.

that said, I do not believe Minato can be touched by any of sasori's attacks. he has the benefit of the fastest reactions in the manga, coupled with the benefit of teleportation.
so-
needle senbon- their strength is their unpredictability, chiyo did have knowledge whereas minato has not, therefore he will have to counter with either speed or teleportation which shouldnt be too much of a problem, he's done faster stuff
iron sand techniques- likewise
- poison cloud and iron sand:world order- teleportation is the only option, ftg is an easy counter for minato unless it's an enclosed area
- water and fire techniques- easy to avoid
-100 puppets techniques- well this one is a real grind but with little focus on each individual puppet they won't be too effective, especially since minato can ftg and mark the puppets. and minato's bound to go for the original. sasori's heart skipping out to another puppet will not work forever.
- windmill shuriken isnt going to do anything vs a rasengan. sakura's punch may be stronger (arguably), but the fact is that if she attempts a punch she will either get scratched or her arm chopped off, a rasengan doesnt have these troubles. furthermore, sakura needs to punch right to the heart whereas a big rasengan has a wider aoe, look at minato's rasengan he took obito in the back yet his arm fell off. it pulverised his whole body. it's very possible that sasori wouldnt even last beyond the hiruko puppet.

out of the akatsuki, the one who poses the greatest threat to minato is the 6 paths of pain. the tendo pain is a very good counter for ftg, as shinra tensei will force minato to keep his distance. he would have to time his strikes perfectly to defeat the tendo, and with 4 other pains and various summons attacking, a shared vision and a reviving pain, that's tough to say the least. naruto had it very easy vs the paths.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

That was my bad i forgot about the next panel of the obito fight where minato uses rasegan ill edit my OP.

Theres no proof that a contract seal wold work on a puppet body its mere speculation.

It's also speculation to assume it wouldn't. It's open to interpretation. However, I think that sealing affects chakra, not always the body. Sasori has a chakra network, otherwise, he wouldn't be able to use ninjutsu. Again, this is just my interpretation.

Thanks for correcting the ransengan bit.=D
By the way, what about my point about space-time barriers? You didn't respond to that.

 

[Prince Charles]

Don't know what that's supposed to mean. But you obviously think this fight will last long enough for sasori to experiment with how he can beat minato. Still don't know what attack you believe he has that can hit minato's shushin.

It means sasori doesnt have only one specific attack to utilize his iron sand, basically variety in short terms.

I already showed you guys that sasori can perform high radius poisonous gas cloud which can either make minato immobile for a moment or he can also evade the cloud but it will also restrict his movements of where he goes because a large portion of the area will be covered in poison gas.

 

[Prince Charles]

It's also speculation to assume it wouldn't. It's open to interpretation. However, I think that sealing affects chakra, not always the body. Sasori has a chakra network, otherwise, he wouldn't be able to use ninjutsu. Again, this is just my interpretation.

Thanks for correcting the ransengan bit.=D
By the way, what about my point about space-time barriers? You didn't respond to that.

His space time barriers? explain how minato can utilize that in this fight?

 

[AGoodBoy]

You never took into consideration if sasori possibly throws the kunai out of the 15m radius with the use of his magnet release? I already provided ways for sasori to destroy the kunai

Irrelevant. He'd first need to understand minato can teleport to kunai. That's 1 hit he already took.
Then he'd have to know there's a 15m radius. That's a second ftg hit. But, you supposedly think sasori is 3rd raikage and can tank anything so let's continue.
Then, The icing on the cake. He'd have to know that minato could shushin at lleast 15m himself and just smash sasori before he notices.
Oh, wait, Did i say that was the icing? No. The icing is that he'd have to know that he was tagged during one of these 3 speed attacks and now stopping minato's kunai is a useless endevor. He can't run. He can't hide. He can't stop for 0.5 seconds to think. He needs to know he was tagged as soon as it happens or else

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But hey, apparently minato gave sasori a book on "The ins and outs of FTG and all my abilities For Dummies", Right?

It means sasori doesnt have only one specific attack to utilize his iron sand, basically variety in short terms.

I already showed you guys that sasori can perform high radius poisonous gas cloud which can either make minato immobile for a moment or he can also evade the cloud but it will also restrict his movements of where he goes because a large portion of the area will be covered in poison gas.

Fanfiction. His canonical gas cloud wasn't that big nor was it sustained for long. Go find manga proof of your massive scan. My counter to which is gamabunta. There's no such thing as a 'high radius posionous gas cloud' from sasori. Especially not on the size of bunta.

 

[Prince Charles]

Irrelevant. He'd first need to understand minato can teleport to kunai. That's 1 hit he already took.
Then he'd have to know there's a 15m radius. That's a second ftg hit. But, you supposedly think sasori is 3rd raikage and can tank anything so let's continue.
Then, The icing on the cake. He'd have to know that minato could shushin at lleast 15m himself and just smash sasori before he notices.
Oh, wait, Did i say that was the icing? No. The icing is that he'd have to know that he was tagged during one of these 3 speed attacks and now stopping minato's kunai is a useless endevor. He can't run. He can't hide. He can't stop for 0.5 seconds to think. He needs to know he was tagged as soon as it happens or else

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But hey, apparently minato gave sasori a book on "The ins and outs of FTG and all my abilities For Dummies", Right?


Fanfiction. His canonical gas cloud wasn't that big nor was it sustained for long. Go find manga proof of your massive scan. My counter to which is gamabunta. There's no such thing as a 'high radius posionous gas cloud' from sasori. Especially not on the size of bunta.

Never said sasori had knowledge on the fact that minato has a 15m radius he teleport around, what i was saying what if he throws the kunai out of that range?

 

[sagemode jinchuuriki]

I don't see Sasori beating the Fourth because of Sasori's first puppet

 

[AGoodBoy]

I sometimes wonder how dumb people think Sasori is.. and its funny how everyone say "sasori always starts in hiruko" , like if they have seen him fight more than once lmao..

facts.. orochimaru has seen him out of it.. meaning in the past he fought without it...
facts.. he used his 100 puppets to take down the country...meaning based on WHAT he's going up against, he uses an appropriate puppet...

he likes being secretive, so he hides himself in hiruko..that doesn't mean he always fights in hiruko... he was up against a grandma and a pink haired teenager.. I doubt any of you would have seen them as such a threat that you had to bring out your biggest guns first..

But to think he'd go up against a well known hokage, and walk up to him in hiruko ?... Sasori is a genius, but you people make him sound idiotic

"Hiruko eliminates all the disadvantages of a puppet master. It is sasori's favourite puppet"
Yes. Sasori will expose himself in other fights. 1 manga scan when sasori wasn't in hiruko. Plz, 1.

Sasori vs kankuro - hiruko
sasori on bridge with kabuto - hiruko
sasori invading sanagakure with deid - hiruko
sasori talking and waling with deid - hiruko

Never seen him out of hiruko, but he'd start a fight in hiruko? Please...

 

[Sennin of Logic]

His space time barriers? explain how minato can utilize that in this fight?

Minato has shown the ability to use space-time barriers at a distance away from himself. This means that he can use it to take Sasori's fire and iron sand magnet release and teleport it to a distant kunai, preventing Sasori from getting rid of them. This enables him to use FTG regarless of magnet release. For proof that he can do this, read my first post.

 

[Fodder#4]

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I sometimes wonder how dumb people think Sasori is.. and its funny how everyone say "sasori always starts in hiruko" , like if they have seen him fight more than once lmao..

facts.. orochimaru has seen him out of it.. meaning in the past he fought without it...
facts.. he used his 100 puppets to take down the country...meaning based on WHAT he's going up against, he uses an appropriate puppet...

he likes being secretive, so he hides himself in hiruko..that doesn't mean he always fights in hiruko... he was up against a grandma and a pink haired teenager.. I doubt any of you would have seen them as such a threat that you had to bring out your biggest guns first..

But to think he'd go up against a well known hokage, and walk up to him in hiruko ?... Sasori is a genius, but you people make him sound idiotic

It's a fact that Hiruko is one of Sasori's known weapons and one of his favorites. He was always seen inside of it until he was forced out of it. And in the past, yes. He might not have had or used the puppet that much. Fighting styles can change as your arsenal improves, you realize?

I was not calling him dumb, I'm just saying that if those two were to meet up and a battle were to ensue. What are the odds that Sasori wouldn't be in Hiruko opposed to him using his own body? It's his style and he sticks to it. It's not broken so Sasori would most likely not change/fix it.

Orochimaru is hinted at to have seen Sasori's true body, yes. But they also got along fairly well. It could have been for many more reasons other than combat purposes. Who's to say that Sasori didn't have conversations with Orochimaru while not in Hiruko? Or he might have had to repair the puppet after some conflict?

And if he were to go against a known Hokage? Again, if this is some accidental battle, he will be in it. If he has prep? Debatable. Sasori seems to favor the Hiruko and would probably see uses in being in the puppet.

And if there is prep, you'd probably have to give some to Minato aswell. Plus, I think Sasori would start by summoning the Third Kazekage with prep, he wouldn't waste his time on countering with the flamethrowers.

I am not insulting Sasori's intelligence. All's I am saying is that Sasori has a certain fighting style. Obito has a massive Katon he can use and was up against Kakashi, Killer Bee, Gai, and Naruto. One of them has a perfect counter to him, the others are power houses.

Yet Obito did not remove his mask and perform this awe inspiring Katon that would have been a massive problem for the crew.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Never said sasori had knowledge on the fact that minato has a 15m radius he teleport around, what i was saying what if he throws the kunai out of that range?

If minato tosses his kunai, it'd be initially within range....... He also has a bag of kunai that he can toss at his leisure. For that matter, he might even be using shadow shuriken because the sheer number of kunai he toss from that bag is ridiculous. But for the sake of your insistance.

Now, Minato has spots all around the field to FtG to so that he can avoid all of sasori's attacks or flank him. Not destroying the kunai is stupid and sasori can't through it a mile away. Even if he did. Still a viable kunai for ftg barrier/ftg/etc.
Shushin/bunta still close the gap.

 

[takiyacrowz]

Your question is.. How will Sasori not get speed blitzed by Minato? First of all, like it or not, Minato has to take that kunai and throw it. It takes a second for Sasori to pull out the 3rd Kazekage. Not to mention that a Puppet Master keeps his distance with his opponent.

as i said sasori destroying ftg kunai part itself is wrong, since his fire flame is single and wide
the distance you are mentioning seems nothing whrn you are talking about minato
his shunshin itself is capable of dealing with it
and to prove that i give u people some link
but you people are so busy downrating minato you are taking even a look
all right
how far do you think minato went to set the kunai to teleport the biggest TBB ever
some people have discussed it
i have come to conclusion that he traveled arround 25 KM simply to set the kunai

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[Prince Charles]

"Hiruko eliminates all the disadvantages of a puppet master. It is sasori's favourite puppet"
Yes. Sasori will expose himself in other fights. 1 manga scan when sasori wasn't in hiruko. Plz, 1.

Sasori vs kankuro - hiruko
sasori on bridge with kabuto - hiruko
sasori invading sanagakure with deid - hiruko
sasori talking and waling with deid - hiruko

Never seen him out of hiruko, but he'd start a fight in hiruko? Please...

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going by this scan we can possibly assume sasori has started without the use of hiruko first..