Misconception: Minato defeats sasori. When in fact sasori defeats Minato mid diff.

[Bogard]

Implying the fight would go that long for Sasori to use all his puppets? Talking about fighting style here, there are some things you didn't talk about that i will explain in my post. You listed a number of moves that Sasori could use during the fight, ignoring totally their basic fighting style, ignoring the gap in speed between the contenders, the efficiency of both combattants during the battle. Because of this, you think Sasori would even get the chance to use all those moves

Knowledge:
It's common knowledge that puppeteers usually use poison when they fight, so Minato should be aware of that. On the other hand, Sasori should know Minato is the yellow flash at least from reputation

Fighting style

Like Chiyo says, puppeteers are weak in close combat. It's for that reason Sasori hides in Hiruko that operates from both attack and defense

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Minato on the contrary usually starts by marking the battlefield with his FTG-kunai like you said, but more importantly. Minato is the fastest ninja in the manga, faster than Raikage(who is the fastest ninja alive), so fast that he even left god of Shinobi Hashirama and great shunshin users like Tobirama in the dust

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Not only that, he also had time to redirect Juubi's Bijuudama, in middle ocean, a place where he even got time to reach before implanting his kunai there, before coming back, get the time to encircle mountains sized entities like the Juubi, have a chat with Sakura and Naruto in a while, all that before they actually came

Tobirama and Hiruzen were so baffled when they heard he already even put the markings that they could barely say a thing, to the point that only thing Tobirama could say is

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. Funny that they were that amazed since they actually didn't even see the bolded part happen. I wonder what they would have said if it was the case. Maybe they would have caught a heart-attack xD

Well i think that these examples already shows the gap in speed that Minato has with other contenders, so for someone that always act as fast as Minato to fight a puppeter who is known to be weak in close combat, i really wonder if the fight would last more that long. Could Sasori really survive that long to use all the moves you mentioned in OP? It's the real question i ask myself

Just in the initial blitz from Minato, it could already mean game over. Even if he survives rasengan, could he get away from the markings? As stated, Sasori always starts with Hiruko, which is said by Chiyo herself to be

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. Regardless of the opponent, he always starts with Hiruko. Proof of it is that no one in the akatsuki never knew about Sasori's real identity, not even someone like Zetsu who is probably the best spy in the manga

This actually shows that since Sasori entered akatsuki, he probably never fought with his real body, something he even said himself

So going by the fighting style, Sasori starting fight with Hiruko would be the reason of a quick defeat if he ever fought someone like Minato

His arsenal with Hiruko is really rudimental, so rudimental that he has no hope in actually hiting Minato

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So he will sooner of later get destroyed by Minato's rasengan(just replaced Sakura's punch with Minato's rasengan)

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The power of Minato's rasengan, talking about it, is often underrated. Just to make you remember this is the damage caused by SM Naruto's rasengan

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It completely destroyed Asura and created a small crater. Awesome you say?

Then look at this

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Minato's rasengan completely leveled the entire ground where he was fighting Tobi. The level of damage is on a completely another level of SM Naruto's. Now you may say "but Tobi still survived". True, but don't forget Tobi had

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, something he always wore even when he met Nagato. But don't you find it curious that we didn't see Spiral Zetsu since that event? Yeah i believe he died that night in Obito's place

So all in all, this just shows the power of Minato's rasengan. It's much more powerful than any normal Rasengan Naruto has shown so far. So it's more than enough to destroy Hiruko completely(maybe even Sasori who will be inside it)

After Hiruko get destroyed, Sasori usually try to keep the distance

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But here is where he is vulnerable. Minato is a quick thinker, who never waste a single movement when he fights. As proven as against Bee or against Tobi, he usually combine rasengan with a jutsu shiki to mark the opponent

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So from there, Sasori would already be as good as dead. Minato is a sharp thinking. He would probably see Sasori weakness right from the start. It's not as if it was hidden since it's even as the same spot as a human's heart should be. So you don't need to be that particularly intelligent to notice the weak-point that easily. And even if he doesn't, since Sasori would be marked with the jutsu shiki, he could just use a hiraishin-rasengan combo to destroy him anytime he wants

When Sasori get destroyed, he is capable to assemble himself once again

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But by doing so, it would help Minato to observe

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, like

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. Not only that, but by assembling himself, he also conserves the jutsu-shiki

So only way for Sasori to get rid of it would be to change to go to another puppet. Would he even make it in time before getting killed by Minato? That's the question

But even if he smh manages,

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that helps to control the other puppets since only his original puppet body possess that:

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So from that moment, Sasori would just be one, making things easier for Minato who could just obliterrate him U_U

 

[mrcrazyboyravi]

Hey dude. Have u heard the story of David and the Goliath. Yeah Goliath was huge, he was strong , he had the massive wepons, but still David killed his off with a sling shot. lolz a puppet who again have to control another slow puppet that couldn't defeat old chiyo + juvenile sakura is pitted against the most intelligent and fastest man on planet. RIP narutobase. u must be biggest hater of minato.


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Minato is hokage so obviously he knows about 3rd kagekage and secrets of sand village puppet techniques. in addition to this every time minato is pitted against any opponent no matter how unique or strange they might be minato always have decoded the jutsu.

for e.g.
TObi's S/T tech
Detecting B as the 8 tail junchuriki
Decoding chidori of kakshi just be watching it and suggesting him possible improvements
Decoding TBB just by watching and making rashingan for himself.
Just sealed the 9 tail and already learn how to use KM for himself. LOlz
Learned seals from his wife and made a brand new 8tigram seals for himself

Its wont take even a second for minato to know to kill puppets , u need to kill puppet master.. after that killing sasori is no diff task at all

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Minato is a famous ninja and he is not secretive. Sasori is somewhat famous, but he is too secretive.

OK, this is flawed. Sasori wasn't simply "somewhat famous." He was extremely famous. He was a war hero and was considered the greatest puppet ninja in the world. That's on par with Minato's fame before becoming hokage as he was a war hero and was the fastest ninja. Yet, A knew exactly how FTG worked. It's not unreasonable to assume that Minato would know how Sasori's abilities worked.

 

[aimop95]

Sasori's Senbon are no where as fast as the Raikage speeding along.

Minato is faster than the Raikage. So go figure.

As for burning up the Kunai, Minato would instantly catch on, he's not just going to let Sasori burn up all his kunai...and he does keep spares, as when it was shown when he was fighting the Ay...He had one ready on hand when Ay jumped at him.

You make a lot of good points but the problem here I see is that Minato is arguably a lot faster than you give him credit for...a lot faster. And speed here is the deciding factor.

 

[ItachiStillSolos]

Sasori's Senbon are no where as fast as the Raikage speeding along.

Minato is faster than the Raikage. So go figure.

As for burning up the Kunai, Minato would instantly catch on, he's not just going to let Sasori burn up all his kunai...and he does keep spares, as when it was shown when he was fighting the Ay...He had one ready on hand when Ay jumped at him.

You make a lot of good points but the problem here I see is that Minato is arguably a lot faster than you give him credit for...a lot faster. And speed here is the deciding factor.

Minato used FTG to dodge A's punch. FTG is useless in this fight because of the Kazekage's Magnet Release.

 

[Prince Charles]

@bogard

Sasori weak in close combat? I can probably find two manga panels where chiyo thinks she knows something but ends looking like a dum ass, claiming no man can control the tailed beasts :eww:

Kishi gave sasori a 4 in taijutsu ... yet he sucks at close combat Zzz

Of course minato redirecting the juubi's ttb is such a amazing feat, i mean it was going faster than sasukes lightning style karin right? (sarcasm)

I already showed panels comparing the destructive power of rasegan and sakuras punch, if anything they are equal in power.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Sakura never overwhelmed him. Nice asspull though. Where did I say that the blades will kill Minato? It will keep him off Sasori so no Taijutsu combat for you Minato.

It won't. They spin on his back in a predictable way. A fast(minato) and agile(minato) ninja, with some brains (minato) would be able to figure out a strategy around it. Especially when he can simply use FTG, or completely destroy the blades with a rasengan. Rasengan + Blade = no blade. Minato never touches the blade.

Ah, Right, It was the old woman not the young lady.

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Dat Chiyo Agility.

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[Shura]

OK, this is flawed. Sasori wasn't simply "somewhat famous." He was extremely famous. He was a war hero and was considered the greatest puppet ninja in the world. That's on par with Minato's fame before becoming hokage as he was a war hero and was the fastest ninja. Yet, A knew exactly how FTG worked. It's not unreasonable to assume that Minato would know how Sasori's abilities worked.

Sasori is too secretive. Even his fellow Akatsuki members didn't know anything about him. Even Zetsu didn't know how Sasori looks outside of Hiruko.

It won't. They spin on his back in a predictable way. A fast(minato) and agile(minato) ninja, with some brains (minato) would be able to figure out a strategy around it. Especially when he can simply use FTG, or completely destroy the blades with a rasengan. Rasengan + Blade = no blade. Minato never touches the blade.

Ah, Right, It was the old woman not the young lady.

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Dat Chiyo Agility.

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Sasori has that cable as well. Minato gets close, Sasor shoots it out.

'Dat Chiyo is a Puppet Master and a Medical Ninja so...

 

[Multiply]

Great thread bro. I totally agree, Sasori might be the most underrated akatsuki member out there. Sakura and Chiyo only won because he didn't dodge Chiyo's puppets, which even she said he could. Thanks and a Rep from me.

 

[aimop95]

Minato used FTG to dodge A's punch. FTG is useless in this fight because of the Kazekage's Magnet Release.

I don't see it that way....Sasori does not have the same reflexes that Garra has in manipulating the sand so saying Saori would be able to use it as a shield can be easily argued against Minato's speed. The most dangerous attack would be the "spike everything" attack that Minato simply would warp away from, unless it was really large AoE attack, but hey, Minato has awesome reflexes, he could probably dodge all the spikes.

Minato's body flicker in of itself is incredibly fast. if FTG is not readily available, he can use his Tobirama nominated Body Flicker to escape.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Thats what i meant, no one is manipulating minatos movements here against a puppet master.

wtf.. is this guy for real your acting like it takes 10 years to summon the kazekage puppet.

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sasori pulled out his scroll and the kazekage instantly appeared.

YOU actlike it takes 10 years for minato to TOSS a kunai and rasengan sasori.
I love how you neglected the fact that he doesn't summon kazekage with IS out. Kazekage is useless against minato until IS is out, more wasted time against the fastest ninja. He doesn't need anyone manipulating his moves. He's fast enough, or do I need to link bogard's thread again? Because I don't want to create a thread long post for you to not read.

 

[Prince Charles]

His arsenal with Hiruko is really rudimental, so rudimental that he has no hope in actually hiting Minato

Thats funny bogard

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its also funny how you used that scan, i already make that scan invalid, look at the next two pages it clearly shows chiyo controlling sakura which made her able to dodge the senbon.Sasori knows he is dealing with the 4th hokage i find it preposterous that he would remain in hiruko.

 

[TheSages456]

you definitely low balled the power of minatos rasengan. this is how powerful his rasengan is:

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it took off obitos arm which tanked suigetsus sword slash. if sasori gets hit by that, its GG.

 

[Prince Charles]

you definitely low balled the power of minatos rasengan. this is how powerful his rasengan is:

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if sasori gets hit by that, its GG.

Lowball? please.. if anything sakuras punch and minatos are equal in terms of destructive power, you can hardly notice the difference

 

[AGoodBoy]

Sasori is too secretive. Even his fellow Akatsuki members didn't know anything about him. Even Zetsu didn't know how Sasori looks outside of Hiruko.


Sasori has that cable as well. Minato gets close, Sasor shoots it out.

'Dat Chiyo is a Puppet Master and a Medical Ninja so...

Everything you post is just desperate troll garbage. Throw manga scans at you, and you throw back. " But sasori ". Ay, Obito, obito's explosive tags, kyuubi couldn't hit minato, but a blade and cable will. Sasori must have those blades infused with the power of a dying star. Tell him give me some of that gamma radiation. I'd like to dabble with my hulk experiments.

This thread has officially been derailed to troll status.

@Prince charles: Chiyo dodged that hiruko trap but minato won't. Lmfao.

 

[Indubitable]

I like Sasori and I also agree that he's underestimated but this is an Minato hating thread, you could have easily compare Sasori to any of the powerful characters.

 

[ItachiStillSolos]

I don't see it that way....Sasori does not have the same reflexes that Garra has in manipulating the sand so saying Saori would be able to use it as a shield can be easily argued against Minato's speed. The most dangerous attack would be the "spike everything" attack that Minato simply would warp away from, unless it was really large AoE attack, but hey, Minato has awesome reflexes, he could probably dodge all the spikes.

Minato's body flicker in of itself is incredibly fast. if FTG is not readily available, he can use his Tobirama nominated Body Flicker to escape.

FTG is useless because of the Kazekage puppet though. The 3rd Kazekage has Magnet release which allows him to attract the kunais, meaning Sasori can predict where he is gonna warp or wrap the kunais with Iron Sand so Minato won't teleport to it. The body flicker part, I agree.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Alright, OP, there's some flaws in you logic.

1. You refuted that Minato's ransengan isn't as strong as Sakura's punch by comparing the damage that both caused. Given what you showed us, it would seem that Sakura's is better. However, you only showed us the instant that the ransengan his Obito. You didn't show the destruction that followed. Here's what happened after it hit.

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I'd say that that's comparable to the craters of Sakura's punch.


2. You said that Sasori could summon his puppets back, but you're forgetting this.

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Minato can use reverse contract seal to stop him from summoning them back. It's also likely that, since Minato's a sealing master, that he has a seal that would prevent Sasori from using chakra strings by using something like 5 prong seal. That's the only real problems I have with your reasoning. I think Minato wins for reasons I mentioned in an earlier post.

Minato also has barriers that he was confident that could contain Kurama.

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[Fodder#4]

Sasori is too secretive. Even his fellow Akatsuki members didn't know anything about him. Even Zetsu didn't know how Sasori looks outside of Hiruko.


Sasori has that cable as well. Minato gets close, Sasor shoots it out.

'Dat Chiyo is a Puppet Master and a Medical Ninja so...

Not exactly true. It's hinted at that Orochimaru knew of Sasori's real body and most likely saw it first hand.

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As for the OT: It seems a bit biased for Sasori here, set up strictly to win in an OOC way. Sasori would always start out in Hiruko. Minato's rasengan is capable of damaging Hiruko if not destroying it in one go. Several will destroy it, no doubt.

The Third Kazekage puppet would make FTG useless, but Minato still has impressive speed without it. Sasori would be needing to summon more than the Third Kazekage to catch Minato off guard and nick him with his poison, if he doesn't then there's a good chance that Minato could mark the ground with a V2 seal, lead the puppet away from Sasori and then quickly teleport back to the seal if he believes the puppet is far enough away from the seal.

While I believe Sasori is one of the best choices when it comes down to the "Who can defeat Minato?" question, you seem to believe that Sasori will do everything you say he will. Even if it's out of character.

Such as the Flamethrower/FTG counter. He wouldn't even bother with that, he'd more or less use a puppet to get rid of the kunai or intercept it.


I will give you this, it was very creative and resourceful of you to go into Bleach and use a manga page from that to support your thread.

 

[Prince Charles]

YOU actlike it takes 10 years for minato to TOSS a kunai and rasengan sasori.
I love how you neglected the fact that he doesn't summon kazekage with IS out. Kazekage is useless against minato until IS is out, more wasted time against the fastest ninja. He doesn't need anyone manipulating his moves. He's fast enough, or do I need to link bogard's thread again? Because I don't want to create a thread long post for you to not read.

You dont need to link any of bogards threads im already aware of his speed feats but this is a puppet master so its not ridiculous that you need to approach this different.

I did say he used a scroll right? i mean i thought it was common sense that he summoned the kazekage Zzz

As soon as sasori notices that minato vanishes he can perform poisonous gas cloud shroud around himself which can temporarily throw minato off, unless your say minatos lungs are impervious to poisonous gas?