Regarding Itachi's morality

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Takos

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Alright, this thread is NOT about Itachi's skills, NOT about his power, NOT about his intellect, NOT about his difficult life, it's about his morality.

Itachi worked for the greater good, that's true, but his attitude through all of the series was "the end justifies the means".

I'm not even talking about Uchiha massacre, because it's not a good example - the Uchiha were plotting something evil, so, arguably, killing them was not as controversial thing to do.

However, there are many more examples of Itachi simply not giving a f**k about other, not evil, people.


Even if Itachi claimed he did not want to kill the leaf ninja, as soon as he found out how much Kakashi knew, he was more than willing to allow for their death. In fact, he HIMSELF ordered Kisame to kill them and if it wasn't for Guy's arrival (of which Itachi did not know, because, as he himself stated, he is not a sensor), Kisame would have taken Kakashi out, and possibly Asuma and Kurenai as well.
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Then again, Itachi actively HELPED the Akatsuki in capturing the Jinchuuriki, which not only fulfilled the organization's goals but also, simply speaking, was killing of innocent people.
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I know some might say:
"Well, he could not stop all of Akatsuki, damnit. He was a spy, he needed to act hidden. He couldn't just stop Akatsuki from capturing jinchuuriki!"

That is perfectly true. But you should think - what are the aims of a spy? The most obvious answers would be:
1. To collect intel on the subject and deliver it to employers (the village in this case)
2. To sabotage the actions performed by the group in which he acts as a spy

We've already established that Itachi did not sabotage any of Akatsuki's actions. So, did he at least deliver any information about Akatsuki to the village? Not at all. The only info Konoha got on Akatsuki came from Jirayia and other Konoha ninja.

In other words:
1. Itachi became Akatsuki spy, but didn't actually do anything against the organization
2. While a member of Akatsuki, he was willing to kill innocent people and allowed for all of its actions (partially related to point 1)

There were two things Itachi cared about - Sasuke and the village. However, while Itachi cared for the "village", he was willing to kill its members if need be. Sure, if he didn't really need to (aka if Akatsuki didn't need to), he wouldn't, but, as we could see, even such a small excuse as Kakashi knowing about the organization was enough to order Kisame to kill him.

And one final question - it is obvious Itachi thought the end justifies the means. But if that's the case, in what way is he different from Obito in terms of morality? Obito, after all, also wants to achieve the world peace and generally his motives are not evil at all. His actions are.
 

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Kishi calls him a hero. That means in kishi's universe, he's a hero. /thread.
 

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Another flame war is about to start....
 

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Kishi calls him a hero. That means in kishi's universe, he's a hero. /thread.

Not saying he's not a hero. The fact that he stopped Edo Tensei during the war makes him a hero for sure.
Which doesn't change the fact that he was ruthless, failed as a spy and didn't care if he had to kill innocents.
 

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Itachi didn't kill anyone.

Itachi was a spy and he had to act as a spy, he can't just say we're not going to kill any innocent people because that would have made him suspisious among the other Akatsuki members because they REALLY couldn't give a shit.

Itachi had to act on Kakashi's words to make Kisame believe that it was really important for no one to know what Akatsuki did.

Itachi solo's the Narutoverse btw.
 

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Itachi didn't kill anyone.

Itachi was a spy and he had to act as a spy, he can't just say we're not going to kill any innocent people because that would have made him suspisious among the other Akatsuki members because they REALLY couldn't give a shit.

Itachi had to act on Kakashi's words to make Kisame believe that it was really important for no one to know what Akatsuki did.

Itachi solo's the Narutoverse btw.

I'll treat you seriously, even though your last sentence proved your fanboyism.

Itachi was as much of a good spy to Konoha as any other member in Akatsuki. I.e. he didn't do ANYTHING that a spy should do.
 

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Itachi was very machiavellian indeed. And "plotting something evil" doesn't justify mass slaughter, specially if Sasuke wasn't the only innocent child in the clan.

Kishi calls him a hero. That means in kishi's universe, he's a hero. /thread.

 

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I'll treat you seriously, even though your last sentence proved your fanboyism.

Itachi was as much of a good spy to Konoha as any other member in Akatsuki. I.e. he didn't do ANYTHING that a spy should do.

He never actively captured any jinchuriki that we know of, he basically let naruto escape to prolong his capture (which is saving the world right now), and he kept obito and pain from destroying konoha until his inevitable death.
 

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He never actively captured any jinchuriki that we know of, he basically let naruto escape to prolong his capture (which is saving the world right now), and he kept obito and pain from destroying konoha until his inevitable death.

Yeah, he let Naruto escape when he had the chance.
However, in Part I, they WOULD have taken Naruto (and possibly even cut his legs off) if it wasn't for Jirayia's arrival. And that was just because Itachi wanted to remind the village about not harming Sasuke?

Also, in which way did Itachi keep Nagato from destroying the village? Sorry, but Itachi had absolutely no power on Nagato. Pain just preferred Kyuubi to be sealed last due to its chakra distorting the Gedo Mazo or something like this.
 

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It wasn't just Sasuke and the village.

Itachi had to look like a criminal. That way, Sasuke would be hailed as hero for killing him, thus restoring the Uchiha Clan's pride.

If Itachi solo'd the Akasuki from the inside out, he wouldn't really appear to be a criminal. So he was just there to keep an eye on them making sure they didn't touch Konoha while he was alive (Obito was also ware of this, which is why he never touched Konoha while Itachi was alive).

Also, Itachi was very gentle. He could have easily disposed of Obito, Orochimaru, Kakashi, Jiraiya etc but he spared them for the simple reason that deep down he isn't a criminal nor does he enjoy killing. Even against Kabuto, Itachi found a way to save Kabuto instead of having him killed for using the Edo Tensei.
 

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He never actively captured any jinchuriki that we know of, he basically let naruto escape to prolong his capture (which is saving the world right now), and he kept obito and pain from destroying konoha until his inevitable death.

Hidan & Kakuzu are ordered to capture Naruto & they died while heading towords konoha all these r happned when Itachi is alive.......
 

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It wasn't just Sasuke and the village.

Itachi had to look like a criminal. That way, Sasuke would be hailed as hero for killing him, thus restoring the Uchiha Clan's pride.

If Itachi solo'd the Akasuki from the inside out, he wouldn't really appear to be a criminal. So he was just there to keep an eye on them making sure they didn't touch Konoha while he was alive (Obito was also ware of this, which is why he never touched Konoha while Itachi was alive).

Also, Itachi was very gentle. He could have easily disposed of Obito, Orochimaru, Kakashi, Jiraiya etc but he spared them for the simple reason that deep down he isn't a criminal nor does he enjoy killing. Even against Kabuto, Itachi found a way to save Kabuto instead of having him killed for using the Edo Tensei.

As I said, Nagato wanted to seal Kyuubi last, that's the main reason he went after him late.
I still hold to this, Itachi didn't achieve anything as a spy. Akatsuki didn't attack Konoha because Nagato didn't want it to, not because Itachi didn't want. Itachi had no influence on Nagato and could not possibly dream of defeating him. Even against Obito, he only resorted to some assassination trick instead of opposing him face to face.
 

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Whoever understood Itachi's character also understood that he is not about goodness and flowers. He was willing to go extreme lenghts to keep up his facade. You are misjudging some of his earlier actions but the core stands correct, the personality of Itachi revolves around deceit and determination.
 

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It wasn't just Sasuke and the village.

Itachi had to look like a criminal. That way, Sasuke would be hailed as hero for killing him, thus restoring the Uchiha Clan's pride.

If Itachi solo'd the Akasuki from the inside out, he wouldn't really appear to be a criminal. So he was just there to keep an eye on them making sure they didn't touch Konoha while he was alive (Obito was also ware of this, which is why he never touched Konoha while Itachi was alive).

Also, Itachi was very gentle. He could have easily disposed of Obito, Orochimaru, Kakashi, Jiraiya etc but he spared them for the simple reason that deep down he isn't a criminal nor does he enjoy killing. Even against Kabuto, Itachi found a way to save Kabuto instead of having him killed for using the Edo Tensei.
I dnt think Obito is scared of Itachi,U forgtng Hiddan & Kakuzu they were ordered to capture Kyubi in konaha if they didn't died ,then they wil dfntly attack Konaha...........I agree that Itachi tried as much as he could to save village ,especially Sasuke
 

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Obito is hardly scared of Itachi. I strongly suspect he is flat out stronger than Itachi was.
 
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