Why People Against "Powerups" Should Settle Down, Here's Why

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Alright, so recently I've seen some wars on Sasuke vs. Naruto and people are saying that "Naruto without Kyuubi is sh*t" or "Sasuke without Itachi's eyes is sh*t." But for some reason, no one even talks about Gaara, Danzo, etc. about things like that. But guys, in the end it doesn't matter. As long as they have the power they can do whatever they want with it. Gaara even said it himself to Kimimaro:

"As long as I have the sand, I can do anything. You're the one that's the fool!"

Therefore, shouldn't the same quote apply with:

Sasuke:
"As long as I have these eyes, I can do anything. You're the one that's the fool!"

Naruto:
"As long as I have the Kyuubi, I can do anything. You're the one that's the fool!"

So whether you like it or not, whether it's Sasuke or Naruto, you can't do anything about getting rid of these "powerups," because as long as they have those abilities, they can do whatever their hearts desire.
 

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Fan boys do not know reason. Nor do they desire it.
 

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I kinda get what ur saying but as gaara fanboy I have to disagree gaara is powerful as hell he's not as powerful as naruto and can come in a tie with current sasuke but he only was given one ability

Sand


Naruto and sasuke just keep getting ability after ability and they never hone the abilities tht they get cuz they're too busy getting new ones gaara is the most creative (Save deidara and sai) in anime because of all the shit he can do with one ability


Naruto gets
Rasengan but as he's getting rasengan he's also getting toad summoning a witch is why still to this day he can't make a rasengan without clone -/-
Then he trains for some time
Gets rasengan wind shurkien
Sage mode (but needs clones for this)
Kcm mode
Then Bm
Bonding with kurama


Sasuke
Gets chidori
Curse mark
Trains oro creating Kirin
Gets oro's powers
Snake jutsu
Fights itachi attains ms
Loses ms in amount of days cuz he goes blind from spamming it all over place (itachi had the same type of eyes for years yet sasuke couldn't even keep them for a month)
Amtatsu
Susanno
Susanno armor
Susanno bow
Enton
Etc

Point is if they stop giving these 2 characters so many abilities at once maybe they would be able to hone them
Also speaking as a gaara fanboy it's about time gaara gets power up -.-
 

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i really dont care on these subjects
 

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I kinda get what ur saying but as gaara fanboy I have to disagree gaara is powerful as hell he's not as powerful as naruto and can come in a tie with current sasuke but he only was given one ability

Sand


Naruto and sasuke just keep getting ability after ability and they never hone the abilities tht they get cuz they're too busy getting new ones gaara is the most creative (Save deidara and sai) in anime because of all the shit he can do with one ability


Naruto gets
Rasengan but as he's getting rasengan he's also getting toad summoning a witch is why still to this day he can't make a rasengan without clone -/-
Then he trains for some time
Gets rasengan wind shurkien
Sage mode (but needs clones for this)
Kcm mode
Then Bm
Bonding with kurama


Sasuke
Gets chidori
Curse mark
Trains oro creating Kirin
Gets oro's powers
Snake jutsu
Fights itachi attains ms
Loses ms in amount of days cuz he goes blind from spamming it all over place (itachi had the same type of eyes for years yet sasuke couldn't even keep them for a month)
Amtatsu
Susanno
Susanno armor
Susanno bow
Enton
Etc

Point is if they stop giving these 2 characters so many abilities at once maybe they would be able to hone them
Also speaking as a gaara fanboy it's about time gaara gets power up -.-
Understand where you are coming from.
Tbh Gaara's my favorite ninja as well :D
 

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I hate those threads, too. They are so pointless. If you change key aspects of the title character, you also change key aspects to the story.

If Naruto didn't have Kurama, there would be no point to the series. He would have probably been a much better student at the Academy since he would have been able to control chakra better. Since all of the other teams were balanced for specific reasons, he probably would have still been teamed with Sakura and Sasuke. However, he would have died during the Bridge Builder Arc. Even if he survived, (and assuming that he was still recommended) he would have been killed by Orochimaru during the Chunin Exams. He would have probably done better against Kiba and at summoning toads, but he still would have lost to Neji. Finally, Naruto wouldn't have been able to summon Gama to fight Gaara and Shukaku, and the Leaf Village would have been destroyed.

If Sasuke didn't have the Sharingan, he would have never been able to pursue Itachi in the first place. He would have been relegated to being merely another supporting character. Every time that Naruto would have died above, Sasuke would have been right there with him. Orochimaru would never have taken interest in him in the first place. Sasuke wouldn't have been able to copy Lee's taijutsu so quickly, and likely would have been eliminated during the end of the second stage of the Chunin Exams. If he managed to survive somehow, he would have lost to Gaara. Kakashi wouldn't have taught him the Chidori if he didn't have the Sharingan. Therefore, Sasuke wouldn't have force Gaara to go on the defensive. Sasuke was a talented shinobi before awakening the Sharingan, but many of his signature attacks and abilities solely rely on him having the Sharingan. Without the Sharingan, Sasuke's battle with Gaara would have had the same end result as Naruto's battle would have been without Kurama. Gaara would have been able to properly release Shikaku in the heart of the Leaf Village, and the series would have ended with the destruction of Konoha.
 
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I hate those threads, too. They are so pointless. If you change key aspects of the title character, you also change key aspects to the story.

If Naruto didn't have Kurama, there would be no point to the series. He would have probably been a much better student at the Academy since he would have been able to control chakra better. Since all of the other teams were balanced for specific reasons, he probably would have still been teamed with Sakura and Sasuke. However, he would have died during the Bridge Builder Arc. Even if he survived, (and assuming that he was still recommended) he would have been killed by Orochimaru during the Chunin Exams. He would have probably done better against Kiba and at summoning toads, but he still would have lost to Neji. Finally, Naruto wouldn't have been able to summon Gama to fight Gaaraand Shukaku, and the Leaf Village would have been destroyed.

If Sasuke didn't have the Sharingan, he would have never been able to pursue Itachi in the first place. He would have been relegated to being merely another supporting character. Every time that Naruto would have died above, Sasuke would have been right there with him. Orochimaru would never have taken interest in him in the first place. Sasuke wouldn't have been able to copy Lee's taijutsu so quickly, and likely would have been eliminated during the end of the second stage of the Chunin Exams. If he managed to survive somehow, he would have lost to Gaara. Kakashi wouldn't have taught him the Chidori if he didn't have the Sharingan. Therefore, Sasuke wouldn't have force Gaara to go on the defensive. Sasuke was a talented shinobi before awakening the Sharingan, but many of his signature attacks and abilities solely rely on him having the Sharingan. Without the Sharingan, Sasuke's battle with Gaara would have had the same end result as Naruto's battle would have been without Kurama. Gaara would have been able to properly release Shikaku in the heart of the Leaf Village, and the series would have ended with the destruction of Konoha.
Well said, agreed, and positive reputation for you!
 
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I kinda get what ur saying but as gaara fanboy I have to disagree gaara is powerful as hell he's not as powerful as naruto and can come in a tie with current sasuke but he only was given one ability

Sand


Naruto and sasuke just keep getting ability after ability and they never hone the abilities tht they get cuz they're too busy getting new ones gaara is the most creative (Save deidara and sai) in anime because of all the shit he can do with one ability


Naruto gets
Rasengan but as he's getting rasengan he's also getting toad summoning a witch is why still to this day he can't make a rasengan without clone -/-
Then he trains for some time
Gets rasengan wind shurkien
Sage mode (but needs clones for this)
Kcm mode
Then Bm
Bonding with kurama


Sasuke
Gets chidori
Curse mark
Trains oro creating Kirin
Gets oro's powers
Snake jutsu
Fights itachi attains ms
Loses ms in amount of days cuz he goes blind from spamming it all over place (itachi had the same type of eyes for years yet sasuke couldn't even keep them for a month)
Amtatsu
Susanno
Susanno armor
Susanno bow
Enton
Etc

Point is if they stop giving these 2 characters so many abilities at once maybe they would be able to hone them
Also speaking as a gaara fanboy it's about time gaara gets power up -.-

Forgive me for I only read half of the first sentence and I agree, Gaara's strong as hell. Infact Madara couldn't really touch him when he was fighting the five kages. Compare him to everyone else, and he's perfectly fine, just sleeping on the job.
 

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I kinda get what ur saying but as gaara fanboy I have to disagree gaara is powerful as hell he's not as powerful as naruto and can come in a tie with current sasuke but he only was given one ability

Sand


Naruto and sasuke just keep getting ability after ability and they never hone the abilities tht they get cuz they're too busy getting new ones gaara is the most creative (Save deidara and sai) in anime because of all the shit he can do with one ability


Naruto gets
Rasengan but as he's getting rasengan he's also getting toad summoning a witch is why still to this day he can't make a rasengan without clone -/-
Then he trains for some time
Gets rasengan wind shurkien
Sage mode (but needs clones for this)
Kcm mode
Then Bm
Bonding with kurama


Sasuke
Gets chidori
Curse mark
Trains oro creating Kirin
Gets oro's powers
Snake jutsu
Fights itachi attains ms
Loses ms in amount of days cuz he goes blind from spamming it all over place (itachi had the same type of eyes for years yet sasuke couldn't even keep them for a month)
Amtatsu
Susanno
Susanno armor
Susanno bow
Enton
Etc

Point is if they stop giving these 2 characters so many abilities at once maybe they would be able to hone them
Also speaking as a gaara fanboy it's about time gaara gets power up -.-

I have to disagree. Gaara first appeared in the series with so many abilities that he easily overwhelmed pretty much everybody. Additionally, Gaara has received his fair share of upgrades in the series, too. Finally, his sand is just so versatile that it can hardly be said that Gaara has "one ability". He can use it to do pretty much everything that Naruto and Sasuke's different abilities can.

1. His sand is more than just normal sand. It acts on its own. Much like Susanoo and Kurama's chakra, Gaara's sand can actively defend and attack without Gaara needing to consciously think about it. His defenses are probably on par with the basic Susanoo and Kyubi chakra cloak. It is probably better than both of these, however, since he doesn't have to actually summon his defenses.

2. Gaara's third eye technique can be used for scouting, recon, and any number of other tasks.

3. Sand Armor made Gaara nearly invincible. He could defend himself almost completely from any attack, and even if he gets injured, he could use the armor to make it seem like he is uninjured.

4. Gaara can use his sand to sense things in the area. This isn't as specialized as the Sharingan or Naruto's various sensing modes, but it could sense Muu.

5. Gaara had the Shukaku. He couldn't really control it, but imagine if he gets a tamed Shukaku back after the war.

6. Gaara can always make more sand. If you think about it, Gaara was really the first character to demonstrate the ability to completely alter the landscape by turning a forest meadow into a desert with bone trees.

7. Gaara now has gold. This makes his defensive and offensive capabilities that much more formidable. He's lost his weakness to water and oils. This probably means that Gaara can also use Magnet Release and Iron Sand, too, since controlling gold dust is just a more specialized version of these techniques.
 

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Oh wait until Naruto goes SO6P Mode.......folks gonna be mad lol
 

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Who cares really? Their abilities gets written in the power/skills database. Due to both of them being primary characters of the series, even if Kishimoto takes away an ability from one or both of those two, he will write and develop another ability for them to use. That's what it means when he implied that they will always be equal.
 
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I agree with the thread author. Rather than taking out an aspect of a character that you find overwhelming, it's better to find a way to deal with and overcome said ability that defines characters. You most certainly wont be seeing the characters in-story complaining about their foes ability. Application of real world, fourth wall logic/gripes to the manga take away from credibility of the characters that have overcome seemingly unfair obstacles, seeing as we are reading about the maturation of a village idiot into the savior of the entire world.
 
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