So Kishi wasn't trolling back then!!

[ajpn920]

So if I pick you up, then my mass is now the added mass between us? I can't tell if that's your implication, but that's what I can understand from your attempts to belittle me. Again, no, while you are right to some degree, you're still wrong in a scientific meaning of mass and weight. Weight is simply how much force is used when gravity is pulling on you. Which is why your weight is subject to change. Your mass will not change unless the physical make up of every atom in you changes. Though, if I pick you up, you do not become part of my mass, nor I to you. Again, I don't understand your implications, but from what I can decipher, your study in your degrees, or your professors, were horribly wrong. If you're being taught that if you pick up a dumbbell it adds to your mass, then you need another University.

@bold Well obviously, it's just measuring your mass... Your mass on the other hand is not the same as weight. As a common thing used in like grade school:
Weight=Mass≠Weight

No weight W = m g (mass*acceleration of gravity)

Since you are talking about how heavy an object is (kg or lbs) then you are referring to mass and not weight. Again, the unit alone can tell the difference. Weight is newton while mass is kg (base).

If you have dumbells try to pick one then go to a weighing scale. Obviously, whatever the mass (weight in laymans term) of the dumbell is, it will be added to your own. Please try if you don't believe me. It's as simple as that. I'm not trying to belittle but you on the other hand you did try to belittle me which turns out that you are definitely wrong.

I'll give you a tip: If you are talking about something with units such as kg, lbs, grams then it definitely is a mass. If the unit is Newton (N) then we are talking about weight. But if we'll talk in laymans terms, then most of us used weight instead of mass.

By the way, don't try to insult my University or professors, it's you who did not understand the basics. mass + mass = mass

 

[Multiply]

No weight W = m g (mass*acceleration of gravity)

Since you are talking about how heavy an object is (kg or lbs) then you are referring to mass and not weight. Again, the unit alone can tell the difference. Weight is newton while mass is kg (base).

If you have dumbells try to pick one then go to a weighing scale. Obviously, whatever the mass (weight in laymans term) of the dumbell is, it will be added to your own. Please try if you don't believe me. It's as simple as that. I'm not trying to belittle but you on the other hand you did try to belittle me which turns out that you are definitely wrong.

I'll give you a tip: If you are talking about something with units such as kg, lbs, grams then it definitely is a mass. If the unit is Newton (N) then we are talking about weight. But if we'll talk in laymans terms, then most of us used weight instead of mass.

You've proved me right I hope you know. Obviously you can use Mass and Weight interchangeably based on relativity of the Earth. Outside of the earth, you can not. If I weigh you on a scale(which measures in lbs) with a dumbbell in hand, your weight will increase. Your mass will not.

Also, by your logic, if I am 100kg of mass, then the amount force the earths gravity is using to pull me down is 100n? I don't understand by what logic you're operating at. You are arguing that mass and weight are the same, but that's simply not the case.

By the way, don't try to insult my University or professors, it's you who did not understand the basics. mass + mass = mass

LOL You can obviously say that. but it's too vague. It needs to be revised to:

(Mass + Mass = More Mass) If and only if combined chemically.

(Mass + Mass = 2 different masses on top of each other.) If and only if combined physically.


Chemically: Absorbing food, thus making you fat
Physically: putting food on your head, thus making you two different masses. The food on your head, and you.

 

[Owarij]

Also, by your logic, if I am 100kg of mass, then the amount force the earths gravity is using to pull me down is 100n? I don't understand by what logic you're operating at. You are arguing that mass and weight are the same, but that's simply not the case.

He isn't using any logic, he doesn't know what he's saying

 

[Multiply]

He isn't using any logic, he doesn't know what he's saying

Thank you for agreeing that his degrees mean nothing when he is blatantly wrong. No matter how much he flaunts them.

 

[Baka Sennin]

the kyuubi is way more dense in chakra than a tbb. case in point, when naruto fought it it made a tbb several times its own size, and that was AFTER naruto had stolen most of its chakra. meaning the tbb is obviously less dense. while chakra does weigh, and significantly at that, again you are confusing ftg with the s/t barrier.

ftg- physically teleporting an object from point A to B. ie effort is involved
s/t barrier- opening up a portal from A to B and letting the object pass

logic says that ftg should take up much more effort than the s/t barrier on the same sized object. ftg is basically a reverse summon, and summons don't get any bigger than the kyuubi. of course minato would be tapped, everyone with a boss summon has a stamina level of a 5, with the exception of orochimaru and sasuke who used seals to summon manda.

 

[ajpn920]

You've proved me right I hope you know. Obviously you can use Mass and Weight interchangeably based on relativity of the Earth. Outside of the earth, you can not. If I weigh you on a scale(which measures in lbs) with a dumbbell in hand, your weight will increase. Your mass will not.

Also, by your logic, if I am 100kg of mass, then the amount force the earths gravity is using to pull me down is 100n? I don't understand by what logic you're operating at. You are arguing that mass and weight are the same, but that's simply not the case.



LOL You can obviously say that. but it's too vague. It needs to be revised to:

(Mass + Mass = More Mass) If and only if combined chemically.

(Mass + Mass = 2 different masses on top of each other.) If and only if combined physically.


Chemically: Absorbing food, thus making you fat
Physically: putting food on your head, thus making you two different masses. The food on your head, and you.

He isn't using any logic, he doesn't know what he's saying

I will kill your ideas with just one example..listen kids..

100 kg (mass) + 100kg (mass) = 200kg (mass)

mass + mass = mass

You telling me that? Again?? I don't have logic..eat your words

Damn kids...pls take your lessons well..avoid skipping school..

@Inanimated: what do you mean by two DIFFERENT masses? Care to explain? If one unit is lbs the other is kg then what you will do is just convert..simple math..my goodness..I told you that most people used weight instead of mass. If the unit is something like lbs, kg then it is mass. And, why are you discussing force? Force is out of the equation if we are talking about mass. Now, how heavy are you? Can you say that you are 100N or 100kg or lbs..

If you don't know conversion, then here's an example. Is this what you mean by two different mass?

100lb + 100 kg =?

100 lb (0.453592kg/lb) + 100 kg = ?

45.3592kg + 100kg = 145.3592kg or 145.36 kg

get it?? study hard boy..

Here's the thing. If you weigh 100kg then people will tell you that your weight is 100kg. This is where the mistake is. We used weight instead of mass. Kg, Lbs, is a unit for mass and not for weight.

@Owarij: well, I know you can't say anything more..is it out of your scope? Don't talk. The more you talk, the more mistakes you will get..LOL

Let's go back to where this started...There is nothing shown in the manga that Minato was exhausted after doing space time barrier..Teleporting something is connected to how big the object is (if we are talking about chakra consumption) that's why I made an example and I told you that chakra is not PURE mass (meaning it's unit is not lbs, kg, or grams..)because if it is, then it will be added to naruto's mass. Mass + Mass = Mass.

Don't speculate that because Minato was an EDO, he was able to warp juubi's TBB..Besides, being an EDO does not give infinite chakra..It's just that their chakra will just regenerate..AMEN!!

 

[Funky Tiger]

Please create a new separate 'Fanboy' forum and ban me from that section.

 

[Blaze Release]

minato doesnt need tag to get there fast he is fast even without FTG

My fav minato fan i have missed you, you bastard where have you been .

yes minato is fast even without hiraishin but shunshin alone will not allow anybody to get from konoha to where the war is that fast. Not even bm naruto

LOL. Common sense man if you have. Chakra density means weight to you?

There's what we call weight density Blaze. If chakra does really have WEIGHT physically then why it was not added to Naruto's WEIGHT? Can you answer this?

I am trying to halt my participation and just make clear what owarij is saying and excusing what might come into play
Now i never liked brining in RL logic into naruto because you complicate what is simple. Kishi doesn't start taking into consideration what you guys are talking about. He doesn't complicate his manga.

Now while i understand what owarij is saying, it will be funny if it turns out that its hashirama's dna (zetsu), that the hokage's souls have taken over is what will improve their powers. His dna, boosts your energy. It doesn't increase your pool. but gives vitality and quality to your chakra, similar to naruto's yang shroud that he gave to the alliance and kakashi.

Same reason why when orochimaru's soul took over zetsu his binding power of edo tensei went up.
So you guys might be barking at the wrong tree and claiming its edo, when from my grasp of hashirama's dna it might be this instead.

On a lighter note, you know you are op when the three main villains (oro, madara, obito) have all gotten stronger due to your dna. Or the hokage's powers have increased due to your dna

Dat hashirama

 

[ajpn920]

My fav minato fan i have missed you, you bastard where have you been .

yes minato is fast even without hiraishin but shunshin alone will not allow anybody to get from konoha to where the war is that fast. Not even bm naruto



I am trying to halt my participation and just make clear what owarij is saying and excusing what might come into play
Now i never liked brining in RL logic into naruto because you complicate what is simple. Kishi doesn't start taking into consideration what you guys are talking about. He doesn't complicate his manga.

Now while i understand what owarij is saying, it will be funny if it turns out that its hashirama's dna (zetsu), that the hokage's souls have taken over is what will improve their powers. His dna, boosts your energy. It doesn't increase your pool. but gives vitality and quality to your chakra, similar to naruto's yang shroud that he gave to the alliance and kakashi.

Same reason why when orochimaru's soul took over zetsu his binding power of edo tensei went up.
So you guys might be barking at the wrong tree and claiming its edo, when from my grasp of hashirama's dna it might be this instead.

On a lighter note, you know you are op when the three main villains (oro, madara, obito) have all gotten stronger due to your dna. Or the hokage's powers have increased due to your dna

Dat hashirama

Well, there's no denying that Hashi's DNA gives power ups but one mistake to your logic. If indeed Hashi's DNA boost the hokages then how come Tobirama's power is not yet 100%? Tobirama alive is stronger than EDO Tobirama because he said that he is almost at his full power in EDO form..Well?

 

[Drāgy]

Minato is boss XD

 

[Blaze Release]

Well, there's no denying that Hashi's DNA gives power ups but one mistake to your logic. If indeed Hashi's DNA boost the hokages then how come Tobirama's power is not yet 100%? Tobirama alive is stronger than EDO Tobirama because he said that he is almost at his full power in EDO form..Well?

I try to defend owarij yet i get into this, though again ill try and limit myself.
Firstly of all, what tobirama said [

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], while i can understand why people would think it refers to all 4, i believe it refering to him and hashirama only when he used 'we'. He firstly talked about their original revival in part 1 which he established that they weren't close to full power'. Hiruzen was alive that time since he fought them and minato's resurrection failed.

He basically later said this time they have been revived to close to their full power. To me that 'we' he is talking about is himself and hashirama only since they weren't like that in their initial revival.

To answer your question, Tobirama initially had no clue that orochimaru had taken over his brother's dna, so he might also have no idea that, the body his soul has been summoned back also contains this. Perhaps it might be later established.

But wherever you look at it, there is some inconsistency and kishi isn't exactly great when it comes to consistency.
It took minato some time to warp kurama's tbb. In that case if he used that same barrier, he would not only have to create a much, much bigger barrier considering the jubi's tbb dwarfs everything, it will also take him a considerable amount of time, than it did to kurama.

That is what i think owarij was thinking about and why he pinpointed possible explanations.
It cannot take you time to warp a ridiculously smaller tbb, then what appears instantly warp something vastly bigger and denser.

It may be that it is simple a superior barrier than last time or other possible explanations.

On another note, this whole itachi/minato and their fanbase is a bore.
Its interesting how the people who the manga has established as rivals (jiraiya/oro, mad/hashi, danzo/hiruzen, naruto/sasuke), their fanbase do not get on each others back 24/7, well apart fro naruto/sasuke, but it isn't as bad as itachi/minato.

So how can we have two people who do not belong in the same generation and have prolly never met and never will be considered rivals. It is something that their fanbase because they have gone up against each other so many times, they are inclined to believe.

That and also the fact that, for naruto and sasuke's route to greatness is:
Hashirama
Minato
Jiraiya

WHile for sasuke it is:
Madara
Itachi
oro

So perhaps the fact that minato is the medium for naruto to reach hashirama and itachi acts the same way for sasuke, people have got this idea that they are rivals, when kishi or no the manga hasn't established them as rivals, merely understandable parallels created by their fanbase, but still not rivals.

I a not sure what this butt hurt that owarij is apparently suffering comes from. When edo itachi showed his stuff, we had those who linked it to edo form, while others claimed he has over achieved or over stayed his welcome. Yes i argued with these people will at the back of my mind, i knew that something was wrong (in relation to edo), but i never nor did i see any itachi fan upload butt hurt creams.

When inconsistency arises its fair to point it out and minato warping the biggest thing he has ever warped in no time at all, let it be original hiraishin or the barrier does raise eyebrows

 

[BloodSeed]

My fav minato fan i have missed you, you bastard where have you been .

yes minato is fast even without hiraishin but shunshin alone will not allow anybody to get from konoha to where the war is that fast. Not even bm naruto



I am trying to halt my participation and just make clear what owarij is saying and excusing what might come into play
Now i never liked brining in RL logic into naruto because you complicate what is simple. Kishi doesn't start taking into consideration what you guys are talking about. He doesn't complicate his manga.

Now while i understand what owarij is saying, it will be funny if it turns out that its hashirama's dna (zetsu), that the hokage's souls have taken over is what will improve their powers. His dna, boosts your energy. It doesn't increase your pool. but gives vitality and quality to your chakra, similar to naruto's yang shroud that he gave to the alliance and kakashi.

Same reason why when orochimaru's soul took over zetsu his binding power of edo tensei went up.
So you guys might be barking at the wrong tree and claiming its edo, when from my grasp of hashirama's dna it might be this instead.

On a lighter note, you know you are op when the three main villains (oro, madara, obito) have all gotten stronger due to your dna. Or the hokage's powers have increased due to your dna

Dat hashirama

next chapter when kishi didnt show how he got there ill add it to his feat that he is the fastest even he doesnt used ftg

i dont think that those zetsu help with the dna boost part coz if its true why are those fodder edo of kabuto seems they were just as strong as they are when they are alived they didnt say anything like "o shit im stronger because of hashirama dna" if kabuto use zetzu as his sacrifice. if he didnt use zetsu he is an idiot not knowing what you are saying if its true that it will enhance thier edo form

 

[Multiply]

I will kill your ideas with just one example..listen kids..

100 kg (mass) + 100kg (mass) = 200kg (mass)

mass + mass = mass

You telling me that? Again?? I don't have logic..eat your words

Damn kids...pls take your lessons well..avoid skipping school..

@Inanimated: what do you mean by two DIFFERENT masses? Care to explain? If one unit is lbs the other is kg then what you will do is just convert..simple math..my goodness..I told you that most people used weight instead of mass. If the unit is something like lbs, kg then it is mass. And, why are you discussing force? Force is out of the equation if we are talking about mass. Now, how heavy are you? Can you say that you are 100N or 100kg or lbs..

If you don't know conversion, then here's an example. Is this what you mean by two different mass?

100lb + 100 kg =?

100 lb (0.453592kg/lb) + 100 kg = ?

45.3592kg + 100kg = 145.3592kg or 145.36 kg

get it?? study hard boy..

Here's the thing. If you weigh 100kg then people will tell you that your weight is 100kg. This is where the mistake is. We used weight instead of mass. Kg, Lbs, is a unit for mass and not for weight.

@Owarij: well, I know you can't say anything more..is it out of your scope? Don't talk. The more you talk, the more mistakes you will get..LOL

Let's go back to where this started...There is nothing shown in the manga that Minato was exhausted after doing space time barrier..Teleporting something is connected to how big the object is (if we are talking about chakra consumption) that's why I made an example and I told you that chakra is not PURE mass (meaning it's unit is not lbs, kg, or grams..)because if it is, then it will be added to naruto's mass. Mass + Mass = Mass.

Don't speculate that because Minato was an EDO, he was able to warp juubi's TBB..Besides, being an EDO does not give infinite chakra..It's just that their chakra will just regenerate..AMEN!!

@bold, again, you're speaking in such a general sense, it's almost not significant. Like I said before, you can generally say Mass+Mass=Mass but that's an extremely general thing to say. If I put ball on you, and its mass is 15. Your mass is 150. Your mass does not magically turn into 165kg. The WEIGHT of your mass might be 165kg but YOUR mass is 150kg. If you can not understand such a simple concept, all hope is lost for you. In essence:
Your mass + Ball's mass = Total Mass in weight
150kg + 15kg = 165kg

Again, that's such a simple concept.

If you can't understand by two different masses I meant there were two different objects involved, such as the example above, you sir are slow. There's no need for a conversion in such a simple concept.

Again, as an example:

Physical: You place something on you to combine to your overall mass(weight)
Chemical: You consume, absorb, or create something that physically becomes your mass. In other words, becomes part of you, such as fat, skin, muscle, hair, or even sperm.

 

[ajpn920]

@bold, again, you're speaking in such a general sense, it's almost not significant. Like I said before, you can generally say Mass+Mass=Mass but that's an extremely general thing to say. If I put ball on you, and its mass is 15. Your mass is 150. Your mass does not magically turn into 165kg. The WEIGHT of your mass might be 165kg but YOUR mass is 150kg. If you can not understand such a simple concept, all hope is lost for you. In essence:
Your mass + Ball's mass = Total Mass in weight
150kg + 15kg = 165kg

Again, that's such a simple concept.

If you can't understand by two different masses I meant there were two different objects involved, such as the example above, you sir are slow. There's no need for a conversion in such a simple concept.

Again, as an example:

Physical: You place something on you to combine to your overall mass(weight)
Chemical: You consume, absorb, or create something that physically becomes your mass. In other words, becomes part of you, such as fat, skin, muscle, hair, or even sperm.

If you can't understand by two different masses I meant there were two different objects involved, such as the example above, you sir are slow. There's no need for a conversion in such a simple concept.

I give up kid. Ask your teacher about that or let him read our post. You don't understand a thing. As I've told you, if you are talking about units like lbs, kg, grams then you are referring to MASS. Weights unit is newton.

THE UNIT OF MASS IS KG (base) and THE UNIT OF WEIGHT IS NEWTON (N). If you have 150kg + 15kg = 165kg then 165 kg is your MASS.

Hey KID, EVEN IF THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF OBJECTS INVOLVE AS LONG AS THEIR UNITS ARE THE SAME (kg, lbs) then ALL OF THEM ARE CALLED MASS.

You can't change the units.

Example:

100 lb ball + 100kg rice +200 grams meat + 1000lbs barbel + 10000 lbs fat ******* = MASS!! Get it? Damn kid! trying to be smart. LOL! Hey, my advice..don't pretend to be smart on this. You're just making yourself an idiot..different masses huh..LOL

Even if you add millions of objects (any kind) as long the they have the same unit then the answer is their unit. The unit will not change.

Kid, do you realize what we're arguing here?? I hope you do.

If my mass is 150kg then I'm carrying a load of 15kg then obviously the overall mass is 165kg, right?

If i'm going to make an equation on this then it will go this way...

my mass + dumbell's mass = mass

Now.....

Naruto's mass, say 80kg

IF chakra is pure mass and it's mass is 100 kg

then obviously since they have the same unit and the chakra has been added to Naruto it will make his total mass 180kg but without chakra his original mass is 80, right? This is what we are arguing about.

That's why I said that chakra can't be a pure MASS since it can't be added to a person's mass. I hope you do get the point now.

 

[Madara mhm]

I thought this was a place to read and discuss manga / Anime.... NOT A ****ING SCIENCE LESSON.

why is everyone moaning about minato S/T the TBB... it happened have ur 5 minute fap, then just get over it.

 

[Sky99]

honestly those saying Madara could tank that tbb from the juubi... Im not so sure. that was probably thousands times (probably a hella lot more actually) more powerful than Tsunade's punch. I dont think Madara's PS could stand up to that.

But of course i dont really know so don't flame me if you think I'm wrong. it is my opinion just as your's is just an opinion.

 

[Sexy Jutsu]

Minato saved everyone without any harm and damage to surroundings?

Meanwhile a couple miles away from the battlefield.......

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[ajpn920]

I try to defend owarij yet i get into this, though again ill try and limit myself.
Firstly of all, what tobirama said [

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], while i can understand why people would think it refers to all 4, i believe it refering to him and hashirama only when he used 'we'. He firstly talked about their original revival in part 1 which he established that they weren't close to full power'. Hiruzen was alive that time since he fought them and minato's resurrection failed.

He basically later said this time they have been revived to close to their full power. To me that 'we' he is talking about is himself and hashirama only since they weren't like that in their initial revival.

To answer your question, Tobirama initially had no clue that orochimaru had taken over his brother's dna, so he might also have no idea that, the body his soul has been summoned back also contains this. Perhaps it might be later established.

But wherever you look at it, there is some inconsistency and kishi isn't exactly great when it comes to consistency.
It took minato some time to warp kurama's tbb. In that case if he used that same barrier, he would not only have to create a much, much bigger barrier considering the jubi's tbb dwarfs everything, it will also take him a considerable amount of time, than it did to kurama.

That is what i think owarij was thinking about and why he pinpointed possible explanations.
It cannot take you time to warp a ridiculously smaller tbb, then what appears instantly warp something vastly bigger and denser.

It may be that it is simple a superior barrier than last time or other possible explanations.

On another note, this whole itachi/minato and their fanbase is a bore.
Its interesting how the people who the manga has established as rivals (jiraiya/oro, mad/hashi, danzo/hiruzen, naruto/sasuke), their fanbase do not get on each others back 24/7, well apart fro naruto/sasuke, but it isn't as bad as itachi/minato.

So how can we have two people who do not belong in the same generation and have prolly never met and never will be considered rivals. It is something that their fanbase because they have gone up against each other so many times, they are inclined to believe.

That and also the fact that, for naruto and sasuke's route to greatness is:
Hashirama
Minato
Jiraiya

WHile for sasuke it is:
Madara
Itachi
oro

So perhaps the fact that minato is the medium for naruto to reach hashirama and itachi acts the same way for sasuke, people have got this idea that they are rivals, when kishi or no the manga hasn't established them as rivals, merely understandable parallels created by their fanbase, but still not rivals.

I a not sure what this butt hurt that owarij is apparently suffering comes from. When edo itachi showed his stuff, we had those who linked it to edo form, while others claimed he has over achieved or over stayed his welcome. Yes i argued with these people will at the back of my mind, i knew that something was wrong (in relation to edo), but i never nor did i see any itachi fan upload butt hurt creams.

When inconsistency arises its fair to point it out and minato warping the biggest thing he has ever warped in no time at all, let it be original hiraishin or the barrier does raise eyebrows

Tobirama initially had no clue that orochimaru had taken over his brother's dna, so he might also have no idea that, the body his soul has been summoned back also contains this

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He doesn't know that Oro has taken Hashi's DNA but he knows that the accuracy and efficacy of ET has been increase yet their full power is not yet 100%. He was able to determine the difference between Oro summoning them before and the present.

Tobirama: This time we were brought back with almost our full power.


Even though he doesn't know that Hashi's DNA was used in this summon but he knows that their power this time is almost at full level but not 100%. You can't apply this to Tobirama alone because Hiruzen and Minato was summoned the same way.

Even if you say that Hashi's DNA is present here, you can't change the fact that even with that cells they are not in full power.


You can see here that Hashi's cells only improved the restraining power but it did not power up the hokages because if it did then Tobirama will be greater than his 100%, right? By power up means that your power is increase to what it was before.

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[BloodSeed]

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He doesn't know that Oro has taken Hashi's DNA but he knows that the accuracy and efficacy of ET has been increase yet their full power is not yet 100%. He was able to determine the difference between Oro summoning them before and the present.

Tobirama: This time we were brought back with almost our full power.


Even though he doesn't know that Hashi's DNA was used in this summon but he knows that their power this time is almost at full level but not 100%. You can't apply this to Tobirama alone because Hiruzen and Minato was summoned the same way.

Even if you say that Hashi's DNA is present here, you can't change the fact that even with that cells they are not in full power.


You can see here that Hashi's cells only improved the restraining power but it did not power up the hokages because if it did then Tobirama will be greater than his 100%, right? By power up means that your power is increase to what it was before.

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agree

and ive wonder why kishimoto made madara resurrected BEYOND his prime but not the hokages huehuehuehue maybe he is no match thats why he amplify him

 

[-Haku Yuki-]

why are people over reacting we already saw minato pull off this feat before on teh ninetails