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Just like obito's technique kills if the enemy doesn't eat. Starvation/decapitation/getting ripped apart/ byproducts of the techniques.

Confirmed you're a troll, obito's kamui doesnt kill his enemy, or even injure them. Kakashi's kamui can kill & injure no matter what.

Obito kamui's someone, & they can still survive if they escape

Kakashi kamui's someone, their limb will sustain damage. Only attacks can cause damage.

All you're doing is setting up scenario's in which is causes pain after the technique has ended to justify it as an attack. Thinking like that can make any and everything an attack in capable hands. I already showed you with deidara. When he is warping deiadara's arm it is existing in the pocket dimension perfectly fine. When he stops the technique the barrier closes stopping the link between the two dimensions.

Holy sh*t, how many times do I have to repeat myself? Im done after this because you obviously lack the common sense present within primates. Even they can differentiate between whats an attack & whats not.

Maubi's transfer technique causes injury upon teleportation, fact.

Kakashi's kamui causes unjury upon teleportation, fact.

Obito's & minato's jutsus do not cause injury upon teleportation, fact.

has obito every partially warped something?

Exactly, thats because his kamui is a transfer technique. Kakashi cant fully warp something because his ranged kamui is specifically made for attacking

now your understanding. your giving the technique intent like it's not up to the user. That's bad logic.

No im not, your logic is garbage

If someone is rasenganed over a cliff what kills them, the rasengan or the fall??

Same exact situation with kamui, obito (naruto) uses kamui (rasengan) to kill by starvation (falling)

Your logic = naruto killed his opponent with rasengan, when that is clearly false, seeing as it was the fall that killed them.

He needed to mold enough chakra to send him the fox and the tbb to a different location. Chances are if he didn't mold enough something was getting left behind.

Not proof, still speculation ;)
 
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EDIT: Oh, I have an even better comparison. If someone uses rope to trap a person in a room & decided not to feed them until they died, what kills them? According to your logic the rope killed them....:sy:

In kakashi's situation, he uses that rope to kill. Hence his opponent died by rope & not starvation...
 

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Confirmed you're a troll, obito's kamui doesnt kill his enemy, or even injure them. Kakashi's kamui can kill & injure no matter what.

Obito kamui's someone, & they can still survive if they escape

Kakashi kamui's someone, their limb will sustain damage. Only attacks can cause damage.

Your not understanding When kakashi sends something to the pocket dimension what it doesn't take any damage. Only when he closes the connection/ ends the technique is damage sustained. This is seen perfectly with deidara's arm. The the technique ends then damage is sustained. Therefore the technique has nothing to do with the damage since it ended before damage was sustained.



Holy sh*t, how many times do I have to repeat myself? Im done after this because you obviously lack the common sense present within primates. Even they can differentiate between whats an attack & whats not.

Maubi's transfer technique causes injury upon teleportation, fact.
False. If your skin is tuff enough you susatian no damage.3rd raikage is a perfect example. I only brought up her technique because u said all transfer techniques don't cause damage. Her technique proves you wrong. Your the one putting enemies in her technique to make it seem as if it's an attack. When in fact all it does is move objects/things.

Kakashi's kamui causes unjury upon teleportation, fact.
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The clone got transferred perfectly fine. But i suppose u consider that an attack since its kakashi's ms.

Obito's & minato's jutsus do not cause injury upon teleportation, fact.

Neither does kakashi's what might happen afterwards has nothing to do with the technique.



Exactly, thats because his kamui is a transfer technique. Kakashi cant fully warp something because his ranged kamui is specifically made for attacking
No. kakashi's technique is made to warp. Just like obito's just like minato. Only on one unsuccessful warp did his target sustain damage, and even then the damage was sustained after the technique ended. Not during. Hence the reason why deadara only screamed after kakashi stopped.



No im not, your logic is garbage
it seems you are because you used it right after you wrote this.

No If someone is rasenganed over a cliff what kills them, the rasengan or the fall??

The fall killed them obviously. Them falling off is a byproduct of getting hit by rasengan. Like them dying of starvation is a byproduct of being trapped in the pocked dimension. Like them missing a head because their head got changed to a different location.

Same exact situation with kamui, obito (naruto) uses kamui (rasengan) to kill by starvation (falling)

Same exact situation with kamui, Kakashi(naruto) used kamui(rasengan) to teleport your head. After technique ends enemy dies by decapitation(falling)

Your logic = naruto killed his opponent with rasengan, when that is clearly false, seeing as it was the fall that killed them.
That's your logic.



Not proof, still speculation ;)
True.
 

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EDIT: Oh, I have an even better comparison. If someone uses rope to trap a person in a room & decided not to feed them until they died, what kills them? According to your logic the rope killed them....:sy:

In kakashi's situation, he uses that rope to kill. Hence his opponent died by rope & not starvation...

Again that's your logic. You think the rope is kakashi's kamui
 

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Here's some scan's proving my point:
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kunai's dimension changes in first panel. kakashi ends technique. and the kunai exists perfectly fine in the second panel on the right.
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Same goes for the rasengan.
 

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Your not understanding When kakashi sends something to the pocket dimension what it doesn't take any damage. Only when he closes the connection/ ends the technique is damage sustained. This is seen perfectly with deidara's arm. The the technique ends then damage is sustained. Therefore the technique has nothing to do with the damage since it ended before damage was sustained.

Fail, Kakashis kamui causes the damage, when the technique ends it causes harm. Therefore its an attack, dont try to say that the damage is not caused by kamui XD.

False. If your skin is tuff enough you susatian no damage.3rd raikage is a perfect example. I only brought up her technique because u said all transfer techniques don't cause damage. Her technique proves you wrong. Your the one putting enemies in her technique to make it seem as if it's an attack. When in fact all it does is move objects/things.

No it doesnt, raikage is immune to the teleportation technique, that doesnt change the obvious fact that it can kill. obito is immune to amaterasu, does that make it any less of an attack?

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The clone got transferred perfectly fine. But i suppose u consider that an attack since its kakashi's ms.

Why would kakashi try to harm his ally? its already proven that even when kakashi uses his kamui attack for transportation pieces of that object or person can still be damaged (bee). Kakashi was just able to create the tear/barrier large enough to transport naruto, he used his attack as a method of teleportation, that doesnt change the fact that it causes damage.

Neither does kakashi's what might happen afterwards has nothing to do with the technique.

The part that gets teleported harms the enemy, kamui caused the damage, malnutrition is a byproduct of starvation which leads to damage. You try to blunder bs & make me repeat myself, dying of starvation & dying of beheading are two different things. one causes harm & one leads to harm, a car is also a great example of this, lmfao. One causes harm (Hit & run) & one leads to harm (driving to a prison cell/torture room)....You're a simpleton for thinking otherwise.

No. kakashi's technique is made to warp. Just like obito's just like minato. Only on one unsuccessful warp did his target sustain damage, and even then the damage was sustained after the technique ended. Not during. Hence the reason why deadara only screamed after kakashi stopped.

Kakashi's kamui is made to break the fabric of reality, once it ends then the enemy sustains damage. Once kamui ends for obito the user does not sustain any damage. Starvation is a choice made by obito after the fact, once kakashi uses kamui the damage is already there, its no byproduct its a result. Starvation is a result of obito providing a lack of food, not f*cking kamui, get your damn head on straight troll.


The fall killed them obviously. Them falling off is a byproduct of getting hit by rasengan. Like them dying of starvation is a byproduct of being trapped in the pocked dimension. Like them missing a head because their head got changed to a different location.
You just proved me right! XD

Starvation is a byproduct of "being stuck in the pocket dimension" being stuck in the pocket dimension is a byproduct of obito's kamui!


Kakashi's causes immediate harm to his opponent, obito's kamui does not. It seems you finally tripped up over your words :rolleyes:.

Same exact situation with kamui, Kakashi(naruto) used kamui(rasengan) to teleport your head. After technique ends enemy dies by decapitation(falling)

That's your logic.

Haha see you fail right at the bold

Once the head is teleported, the enemy is dead. With a rasengan however, the person is not dead until they hit the ground, which is a byproduct of falling.

Rasengan caused the fall, the fall caused the death

Obito's kamui caused the trap, the trap caused the death

Kakashi's kamui caused the head to warp.....the head warping...caused the death.....

As you can clearly see unless you have issues, kamui is missing a step, it doesnt have anything that causes the death other than kamui's warp.


Here's some scan's proving my point:
Kakashi begins technique on kunai:
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kunai's dimension changes in first panel. kakashi ends technique. and the kunai exists perfectly fine in the second panel on the right.
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Same goes for the rasengan.

This is just kakashi using his kamui on a smaller scale, its still an attack. He's just being versatile with it. Same with sasuke using ama for attack + defense, so this is proving nothing other than the fact that kakashi can use his attack in situations that dont involve attacking

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Fail, Kakashis kamui causes the damage, when the technique ends it causes harm. Therefore its an attack, dont try to say that the damage is not caused by kamui XD.
After the technique ends it causes harm. Deidara proves this. It might be immediately after but it causes harm, manga fact.


No it doesnt, raikage is immune to the teleportation technique, that doesnt change the obvious fact that it can kill. obito is immune to amaterasu, does that make it any less of an attack?
Because it can kill its an attack? Cars must be attacks too, shit your words can be attacks cuz you have gone from debating to making fun of me and calling me a troll. Not once have you provided any form of a scan and the definition u pulled up from Webster would fall under intent. Obito isn't immune to amaterasu. Where did you get that from?



Why would kakashi try to harm his ally? its already proven that even when kakashi uses his kamui attack for transportation pieces of that object or person can still be damaged (bee). Kakashi was just able to create the tear/barrier large enough to transport naruto, he used his attack as a method of teleportation, that doesnt change the fact that it causes damage.
I never said it can't cause damage. In fact i said damage is a byproduct of the technique when done incorrectly.



The part that gets teleported harms the enemy, kamui caused the damage, malnutrition is a byproduct of starvation which leads to damage. You try to blunder bs & make me repeat myself, dying of starvation & dying of beheading are two different things. one causes harm & one leads to harm, a car is also a great example of this, lmfao. One causes harm (Hit & run) & one leads to harm (driving to a prison cell/torture room)....You're a simpleton for thinking otherwise.

I'm not blundering a thing. You just keep throwing scenarios harm is possible as if it changes the mechanics of the technique.
It merely transports things from one dimension to the next. Just because there is room for user error that doesn't make it an attack.

Kakashi's kamui is made to break the fabric of reality, once it ends then the enemy sustains damage.
That's not true in all cases. Kakashi said he was going to warp the juubi. If he did the juubi wouldn't sustain damage since he/she/it has been warped completly .

Once kamui ends for obito the user does not sustain any damage.
And why would obito sustain damage?You should proof read.

Starvation is a choice made by obito after the fact, once kakashi uses kamui the damage is already there, its no byproduct its a result. Starvation is a result of obito providing a lack of food, not f*cking kamui, get your damn head on straight troll.

Death by decapitation is a result of lack of blood flow to the head. not kamui. :yay:



You just proved me right! XD

Starvation is a byproduct of "being stuck in the pocket dimension" being stuck in the pocket dimension is a byproduct of obito's kamui!


Kakashi's causes immediate harm to his opponent, obito's kamui does not. It seems you finally tripped up over your words :rolleyes:.
it only causes harm when its a partial transport. If kakashi warps a person fully then refuses to feed them its just the same as if obito warps a person fully and refuses to feed them :hint:



Once the head is teleported, the enemy is dead.With a rasengan however, the person is not dead until they hit the ground, which is a byproduct of falling.
They die from the lack of blood/ immediate blood pressure drop.

Rasengan caused the fall, the fall caused the death

Obito's kamui caused the trap, the trap caused the death

Kakashi's kamui caused the head to warp.....the head warping...caused the death.....

As you can clearly see unless you have issues, kamui is missing a step, it doesnt have anything that causes the death other than kamui's warp.
The missing step is blood. And that's a partial warp. not an attack.



This is just kakashi using his kamui on a smaller scale, its still an attack. He's just being versatile with it. Same with sasuke using ama for attack + defense, so this is proving nothing other than the fact that kakashi can use his attack in situations that dont involve attacking
It's not an attack because of damage in misuse. It's transport. Kakashi misused it and after the tech ended the object/person/thing sustained damage. im done mechanically it doesn't cause damage. During the time the technique is active nobody takes damage. Only after the technique ends is there a chance that damage might be sustained.

Sasuke's amaterasu causes whatever he looks at to burn, causing damage during and after the use of the technique. His manipulation of the flames(enton) causes damage to during and after the use of the technique to anyone who touches it.:hint:

:snick: im done bedtime.
 

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After the technique ends it causes harm. Deidara proves this. It might be immediately after but it causes harm, manga fact.

Exactly, Idk what youre trying to prove here, lmfao....Kamui causes harm, fact ;).

Because it can kill its an attack? Cars must be attacks too, shit your words can be attacks cuz you have gone from debating to making fun of me and calling me a troll. Not once have you provided any form of a scan and the definition u pulled up from Webster would fall under intent. Obito isn't immune to amaterasu. Where did you get that from?

Lol, you agree with me again, it seems youre losing your stability in this argument XD.

Cars are considered deadly weapons. Weapons are the cause for the attack, same with a car. It is a weapon, kamui is a weapon, FTG is a transportation technique, lmfao.

Words can be attacks simpleton, its called verbal abuse.

& read the chapter where obito got hit with ama & sustained no damage :sy:.

I never said it can't cause damage. In fact i said damage is a byproduct of the technique when done incorrectly.

Moron

Damage is not a byproduct, it is a result no matter what.



A byproduct is an unintended result, kakashi's damage caused by kamui is not unintended, its fully intended. Therefore it is a result of him using kamui!

damage is only a byproduct when kakashi is using his attack as a method of transportation. He didnt fully warp bee, the byproduct was the tentacle that got cut off in the process. When he warped deidara that was a result because that was the intended outcome for using his attack as an attack.




See the difference? Of course you dont, youre going to spout some nonsense, & im gonna make you look like sh*t again. It seems that the amount of your ignorance knows no bounds :rolleyes:.

I'm not blundering a thing. You just keep throwing scenarios harm is possible as if it changes the mechanics of the technique.
It merely transports things from one dimension to the next. Just because there is room for user error that doesn't make it an attack.

Lol, yes you are.

The mechanics of kamui are that it can cause immediate harm to its opponent. Only attacks & weapons are shown to cause immediate harm to their opponents. Denying kamui's credibility as an attack or weapon is to deny that kamui causes harm to an opponent as soon as it ends, which you clearly didn't. If you wanna keep looking like a dumbass then be my guest, but you fail if you think that an attack depends on the user & not the jutsu itself.

That's not true in all cases. Kakashi said he was going to warp the juubi. If he did the juubi wouldn't sustain damage since he/she/it has been warped completly .

Result of kakashi using his kamui as a method of transportation. I never said that kakashi cant do this, kakashi 100% can use his attack however he wants, its his attack. Just like I said, sasuke uses ama as defense, even though its made for the opposite. That doesnt change the fact that ama is still an attack...Your logic fails to prove anything =D.

And why would obito sustain damage?You should proof read.

Do you have dyslexia? I said that obitos does not, ever, in under no circumstances, cause damage (at all) by using his kamui, fact ;).

Death by decapitation is a result of lack of blood flow to the head. not kamui. :yay:

Dumbass

A sword beheads you, what killed you? the sword or the lack of blood?

Gtfo with this sh*t :cool:.

it only causes harm when its a partial transport. If kakashi warps a person fully then refuses to feed them its just the same as if obito warps a person fully and refuses to feed them :hint:

If kakashi fully warps someone then he is using his attack as a method of transportation, nothing more. It doesnt change the fact that his attack causes harm. Obito's kamui causes no harm to anybody once it hits the enemy ;).

I can do this all day, your reasoning barely surpasses a toddler's, & you keep repeating yourself.

They die from the lack of blood/ immediate blood pressure drop.

So if a sword beheads an enemy, its the lack of blood that kills them? I thought it was the lack of having a head...U_U...? Please read over your responses before looking like an idiot.

The missing step is blood. And that's a partial warp. not an attack.

There is no missing step, the attack causes the beheading, just like a sword would. You think that blood killed the enemy instead of the sword, what are you smoking kid?

It's not an attack because of damage in misuse. It's transport. Kakashi misused it and after the tech ended the object/person/thing sustained damage. im done mechanically it doesn't cause damage. During the time the technique is active nobody takes damage. Only after the technique ends is there a chance that damage might be sustained.

Anything that causes harm is an attack. Im done elaborating & trying to justify your BS, you are 100% wrong & just cant admit it!

Kakashi's kamui is an attack, it causes harm, FTG/Obito's kamui do not cause harm to anybody when used. Its only after the object is warped that the enemy can die.

Sasuke's amaterasu causes whatever he looks at to burn, causing damage during and after the use of the technique. His manipulation of the flames(enton) causes damage to during and after the use of the technique to anyone who touches it.:hint:

Kakashis kamui causes whatever it looks at to get distorted, when kamui causes the damage is of no relevance. After kakashi kamui ends, a person can be dead, after obito's kamui ends nobody can be dead, because his kamui doesnt kill anybody.

:snick: im done bedtime.

K bye loser
 

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Just think of it like a kunai it's original purpose may not ave been a weapon but it makes a very good one
 

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It's a tool, and depending on how the user uses it can be labeled as transportation, barrier, or attack.
 

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Just think of it like a kunai it's original purpose may not ave been a weapon but it makes a very good one

He doesn't understand that. Even when it hurt's people it still fulfills its original purpose of transporting said object from A to B.

It still transports thus its a transportation technique.
 

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So are you saying that if I warp your head away but you don't feel pain, it's not an attack?
 

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He doesn't understand that. Even when it hurt's people it still fulfills its original purpose of transporting said object from A to B.

It still transports thus its a transportation technique.

Agreed, He's in denial
 

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The OP is a troll and a fool.

Draphsin proved him wrong countless of times.
 
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