Strongest Kage?

Strongest Kage?


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Jenga

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Who is the strongest current Kage? And why?



I Say Ay is the strongest Kage.

Ay Vs Gaara.
Ay Could probably pass gaara's defense, Meaning Ay's too fast for Gaara's sand to keep up..

Ay Vs Mei.
Speed alone would finish Mei off.

Ay Vs Tsunade.
Ay would beat the living out off Tsunade.

Ay Vs Onoki.
Ay would win , due to Onoki's back problem.

Disagree? Let me know why?
 

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Of course, Raikage is the strongest. :scorps:
 

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Tsunade would beat A:
This would be a bit closer and would require a long explanation for.
Oonoki would beat A:
Oonoki flies in the air Ay can't touch him. If he touches A then super light weight rock technique would turn the punches into fodder, or super heavy weight rock technique makes him to slow to avoid Jinton.
Gaara would beat A
The ammounts of sand he can use, plus he can fly
 

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Rock paper scissors.

Onoki beats anyone except Ay.

Ay beats anyone except Gaara.

Gaara beats anyone except Onoki.

Tsunade would beat A

No she wouldn't.
 

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Gaara's Sand defense isn't hard to get through.
So anybody that can fly can't be touched?
 

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Onoki is the strongest. Jinton is hax and overall he's more versatile than the others.
A is a one trick pony, how is he the best...
Onoki beats him most of the times, A can't reach his in the air, that alone would be a problem. Furthermore he can control A's weight and render him useless.
In a desert Gaara's victory is guaranteed, even if he's not in a desert he has enough sand to keep up and eventually make more. Lee was faster than his sand, yet he lost.
I don't see where people get the idea that he chops off heads alone, Double Lariat does it, not Lariat alone. Tsunade's healing is way better than that and she has Katsuyu to help her.
Mei effectively loses, but give her distance or a lake and A's victory won't be that easy. Plus she's more versatile in battle too.
He's the worse in terms of versatility but in terms of power i would rank him 4th among the current kages and Onoki the 1st.
 

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Gaara's Sand defense isn't hard to get through.
So anybody that can fly can't be touched?

A can't get through Gaara's sand.

His legs are fast, but his attacks are not that fast. Lee had a hard time getting through the shield and his attack frequency was much higher.

Liger Bomb?

The sand works as a cushion.

Lariat? Gaara can focus the sand in the place where Lariat will hit.

Not to mention, Gaara can fly.
 

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Rock paper scissors.

Onoki beats anyone except Ay.

Ay beats anyone except Gaara.

Gaara beats anyone except Onoki.



No she wouldn't.

Yes she would.
A vs. Tsunade
So it occurs to me that most people think A will simply speed blitz Tsunade cut off her head.
So will he do that the same way he did it Juugo?
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Madara?
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Naruto?
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and even with the intent to kill he tried to use blunt force rather than cutting
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Muu?
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The fact is we’ve never seen him do that in a battle scenario and there is no reason to suggest he would. The Raikage is a wrestler. Beyond that even when he had Sasuke without Susanoo on, did he try that on Sasuke? No. Instead he picked Sasuke up to Liger bomb him.
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And if that was a skill possessed by Raikage then he wouldn’t have needed B to decapitate people with the double Lariat.
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In fact, if he tried the move the way you guys are suggesting Tsunade would just be lifted off the ground and she would fly backward the same way Raikage did against Bee’s Lariat.
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In order to decapitate Tsunade with force he would need to ensure she could not move backwards which is what Bee’s purpose was in the Lariat. So no, it will not be a speed blitz over battle. It will be a battle that drags on. This is problematic for A.
A has bijuu level chakra I’m aware. However, that didn’t stop him for conserving chakra against Madara.
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In fact had he been in V2 the whole time Madara would have never touched him. So in his need to conserve chakra, lies Tsunade’s method to defeat him. So allow me then to establish why Tsunade should be able to outperform him. When she uses Byakugou she keeps it active and does not deactivate it. Which is impressive and she needs to constantly keep chakra flowing through her cells and ready for regeneration. She said herself that healing requires a lot of chakra.
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And that was for the minor injuries she received from Kabuto’s chakra scapel. So then, imagine the amount of chakra it took to regenerate several organs, bones, and blood.
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She did all of that regenerating after she was first stabbed and then took three yasaka magatamas when the same Magatamas nearly made it through Gaara and Oonoki's two layer defense.
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and was sent into solid stone breaking it apart.
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And she healed from all of that. She also healed from another two susanoo swords which would have destroyed or partially destroyed all organs except from the heart.
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And she healed from a Katon, that when its smaller variant only having one dragon head was used was enough to nearly fry Itachi, forceful enough to break through stone, and hot enough to heat up the atmosphere for Karin.
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And Tsunade tanked 5 of those heads.
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All of that in addition to battling 5 Susanoo clad Madara clones. And apparently holding her own.
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And while she didn’t seemingly put them down for the count she was able to temporarily subdue them which is more than Gaara or Mei can say. In addition, she healed three kage level shinobi’s and replenished their chakra reserves.
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. She also granted Oonoki with a great a chakra for his largest jinton when we are well aware that jinton is chakra demanding and that Oonoki was almost out of chakra. So clearly, Tsunade is a chakra monster. But perhaps we are thinking Tsunade underwent the Kakashi effect and just received a crap load of chakra for the war arc.
Well if we examine the incidents during Pein’s invasion, we will find that Tsunade summoned Katsuyu.
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When Jiraiya demonstrated that summoning large summons takes considerable chakra, in fact at one point Naruto had to rely on Kurama’s chakra to summon him.
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And when Jiraiya’s chakra forming ability was altered by Tsunade’s poison, he summoned a small toad.
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So summoning Katsuyu would require a nice chunk of Chakra. Then proceeded to have Katsuyu attach herself to most of the villagers and protect them and while Tsunade would use her chakra to heal them.
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And while she healed them for an extended period of time, she healed them all once more.
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Now the important thing to keep on mind here is firstly healing requires a lot of chakra. Secondly that the Allied Shinobi Force is comprised of 80,000 people divided between 6 groups.
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So that leaves about 13.3 thousand shinobi above chuunin. After taking into account all the gennin and villagers in Konoha the number would grow to over 60,000 Konoha and that would not even constitute all the villagers. Which means Tsunade healed over 30 thousand people. She obviously did not treat them all, but the majority of them she did. So her chakra reserves are obviously incredible.

We can agree that when the gokage where put to sleep they were here
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Yet Tsunade quickly cleared that distance.
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Which is what led to Madara comparing her and A’s speed. She is slower. I do not and cannot argue that. But she is quick nonetheless.
Since we are discussing A let us take a moment to thoroughly delve into Tsunade’s speed feats in relation to A. For the second example, we’ll use a coordinated attack between Mei, Oonoki, A and Tsunade. Tsunade is clearly on the ground as Mei’s Suiton extinguishes the Katon and tosses Madara and his susanoo in the air. Tsunade is not seen anywhere in the vicinity to Madara whereas Oonoki and Madara are on panel coming to hit the susanoo. Directly afterwards, Tsunade kicks the Susanoo. Ay and Oonoki did not knock the Susanoo back to Tsunade as they are all right next each other after Madara’s susanoo is sent flying.
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That sequence of events shows Tsunade’s speed because she was able to arrive at the same place as the Raikage just after he arrived.
In base, when Tsunade jumped to block Madara’s Katon she made it much farther in a short period of time than he made it when he tried to save her. The point that the Raikage was trying to reach was the exact same spot yet he only made it past Oonoki. This would indicate that she is faster than his base because she covered more distance. And in terms of reaction times, Tsunade was able to react faster than Mei was. And she was able to determine Mei could not react in time and was able to think of and enact a functioning way to save the other kage. When Madara was about to attack the kage Tsunade was the only member of the kage to react.
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His blitz of Zetsu is lackluster when we consider that Zetsu was supposed to be watching 5 kages, Mifune, and 10 body guards.
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A blitzing him is that big of a deal. Also Tsunade successfully blitzed Shizune
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, Kabuto .
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Madara’s clone
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, and Madara
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. Together they were able to surprise KM Naruto and Bee
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Now I know you say Tsunade won’t be able to see Raikage. But Bee was able to see him in V1 without sharingan, Naruto was able to see him without sharingan
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, Minato was able to see him without Sharingan
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, Madara was able to see him. And Naruto in KM did not become a yellow flash until he moved faster than Raikage
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. Meaning Tsunade was able to visually keep up with Naruto and Raikage when he was V1. So in V1 keeping up with him visually should not be a problem. So what about reacting to him? Oonoki was able to use two jutsus while A was in v2. Super lightweight rock And Aggravated Rock techniques
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. So it stands to reason if Oonoki was use two jutsus then Tsunade could react with something that is not a jutsu. And even if she can’t react byakugou will take care of most of the damage. But A prefers not to use a lot of V2 during extended battles due to it seemingly using a lot of chakra. But in V1 his attacks are weak enough that Base Bee was unscathed.
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V1 Bee did not kill Sasuke or even break his ribcage rather it just removed the flesh from his chest.
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So it stands to reason that Base Bee is weaker than V1 Bee. And v1 Raikage is weaker than Base Bee therefore V1 Raikage is slow enough for Tsunade to see and weak enough for Tsunade to tank.
Now besides Raikage’s punches and chops he grapples. Grappling would pose an immediate disadvantage as that would require sustained contact against Tsunade in which Tsunade can more easily counter. And once Raikage goes into base not only is he slower but he’s weaker. Which means Tsunade would easily overpower base Raikage. And because he’s slower in base he couldn’t stop her from summoning Katsuyu. Katusyu shouldn’t have a problem hitting base raikage with acid, or overwhelming him with clones considering she was attached to over 30k villagers and some of her clones were still bigger than humans.
 
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tldr.

He cut off his Raiton shrouded hand with a gesture, Raiton Shroud through which Chidori could barely scratch him.

Thus his cutting power is higher than Chidori.

gg no re.
 

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tldr.

He cut off his Raiton shrouded hand with a gesture, Raiton Shroud through which Chidori could barely scratch him.

Thus his cutting power is higher than Chidori.

gg no re.
That strategy wouldn't work educate yourself on Tsunade.
He can't decapitate people so easily. And he doesn't use the hell stab so what is he about to pierce with? He prefers to chop and punch, but chopping and punching wouldn't decapitate for the reasons above
 
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Rock paper scissors.

Onoki beats anyone except Ay.

Ay beats anyone except Gaara.

Gaara beats anyone except Onoki.

This... actually makes a lot of sense, I agree. I can't vote on who is the strongest.

Ay Vs Gaara.
Ay Could probably pass gaara's defense, Meaning Ay's too fast for Gaara's sand to keep up..

Both A and Gaara's sand were fast enough to dodge/block amaterasu, respectively. And Gaara's sand was also fast enough to get in the way and strong enough to block A's guillotine drop.
 

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Onoki is the strongest. Jinton is hax and overall he's more versatile than the others.
A is a one trick pony, how is he the best...
Onoki beats him most of the times, A can't reach his in the air, that alone would be a problem. Furthermore he can control A's weight and render him useless.
In a desert Gaara's victory is guaranteed, even if he's not in a desert he has enough sand to keep up and eventually make more. Lee was faster than his sand, yet he lost.
I don't see where people get the idea that he chops off heads alone, Double Lariat does it, not Lariat alone. Tsunade's healing is way better than that and she has Katsuyu to help her.
Mei effectively loses, but give her distance or a lake and A's victory won't be that easy. Plus she's more versatile in battle too.
He's the worse in terms of versatility but in terms of power i would rank him 4th among the current kages and Onoki the 1st.

Stop BS'sing.
Lee Vs Gaara. Was obvious win for Lee , No one can take so many blows and still survive. Lee lost because the fight was a bullshit.
 

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A as a strongest Kage? No, just no.
Tsunade, Gaara and Onoki can defeat him. The only Kage he can beat is Mei. ( however he can beat the others with special restrictions, like the starting distance between him and his opponent is less, then 20 meters. )

The strongest Kage is Onoki. The 2nd is either Tsunade or Gaara.
 

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This... actually makes a lot of sense, I agree. I can't vote on who is the strongest.



Both A and Gaara's sand were fast enough to dodge/block amaterasu, respectively. And Gaara's sand was also fast enough to get in the way and strong enough to block A's guillotine drop.

That was a kick , If Ay tried to punch gaara like he tried with Naruto , Gaara couldn't even block it , it would destroy gaara.
Even Lee shitted on Gaara's LitterBox Sand.
 

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A as a strongest Kage? No, just no.
Tsunade, Gaara and Onoki can defeat him. The only Kage he can beat is Mei. ( however he can beat the others with special restrictions, like the starting distance between him and his opponent is less, then 20 meters. )

The strongest Kage is Onoki. The 2nd is either Tsunade or Gaara.

I'm not even sure Tsunade can beat Mei.

And no, Tsunade isn't beating Ay.
 

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A as a strongest Kage? No, just no.
Tsunade, Gaara and Onoki can defeat him. The only Kage he can beat is Mei. ( however he can beat the others with special restrictions, like the starting distance between him and his opponent is less, then 20 meters. )

The strongest Kage is Onoki. The 2nd is either Tsunade or Gaara.

How is Tsunade or Gaara going to beat Ay?
Kabuto even took out Tsunade if it weren't for Naruto(Part 1)
Gaara couldn't even beat Lee. Gaara won because of Overpowered Health.
 

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That was a kick , If Ay tried to punch gaara like he tried with Naruto , Gaara couldn't even block it , it would destroy gaara.
Even Lee shitted on Gaara's LitterBox Sand.

So punches are stronger than kicks in which you put the whole weight of your body? Your reasoning is brilliant.
And last time I checked, Gaara came out of his fight with Lee unscratched, Lee was able to get past Gaara's shield (and just barely), but Gaara's armor still resisted. And that was when Gaara was a kid and his sand was much slower and weaker...
 

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Gaara lost to Deidara, Without deidara trying.
 
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