Kisame>Minato, Muu, Trollkage, Sandaime Raikage, Killer B

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@Minato. Kisame can make the battlefield into a sea-world? this isn't disneyland yo, FTG = Flying Thunder God Technique , You can't fly in the water , it's in the air so Minato > Kisame.
@Muu. Muu can erase his chakra so how is he gonna sense him if he is un-sensible?Muu>Kisame.
@Saindame Raikage. No explanation needed. Raikage > Kisame.

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] And it's because of this FTG won't work properly as his Kunais will ony sink to the bottom of the lake. Minato's rasengan isn't defeating Kisame anyways. Kisame>Minato

This is true, but Muu has to become visible and make his chakra reappear before using his jinton. It's because of this, he loses his element of surprise. The moment he becomes visible, Kisame will detect his whereabouts rather then having to find him. Jinton isn't instant, it needs to be charged up [

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] Thus allowing Kisame to use Daikodan which will absorb Jinton and defeat Muu.

Lol...not quite.

Ultimate Defense + Ultimate Attack.
Head 2 Head with the Hachibi , Took TBB like it was nothing.
What is kisame gonna use against him?

Chakra absorption. No chakra=death. And before you go on saying how he has enough stamina to fight for 3 days straight or whatever, just know that he stalemated with the Hachibi. Kisame absorbed every ounce of not only the Hachibis chakra, but Bee's as well. He'll do the same to Sandaime.

I agre 100% Kisame's underrating needs to stop he has the best counter for TBB, fusion mode he has no weakness, Tsunami size water jutsu that can change the landscape and negate opponent's way of fighting. Feats speak for themselves and just look at his. Minato has no way of killing Kisame atm there should be no question about Kisame>Minato

Amen!

I agree that he can either stalemate or beat nearly everyone on this list. Though the Mizukage and Muu would be his hardest opponents for him.

Not only the list in the title, but i'm saying he defeats pretty much everyone who isn't top 1-8 or so. With the exception of Gai and Kakashi though.

How does Kisame beat Sandaime?

If he uses his Water Dome, he's begging for Sandaime to fry the entire thing with a simple raiton tech.

Kisame is my favorite akatsuki member and in my top 10, but he doesn't top Sandaime.

He strips Sandaime of all his chakra like he did to Bee and the Hachibi. Kisamehada is said to have no weaknesses and will just absorb the raiton. Kisame has tougher match-ups then him tbh.

He is only stronger then mu because he may be the worst possible match up for him .. but i agree about the others.. hes also stronger then the gokage...

Agree! hence why I believe he should be top 10. Top 13 the absolute lowest.

 

[Shirou Emiya]

nah jinton owns!

 

[Strawberry]

Kisame is not top 10 sorry but top 15 maybe
nagato
madara
hashirama
orochimaru
jiraiya
itachi
minato
a
kabuto
obito
muu
naruto
ems sasuke
are all overall stronger

but in a fight I would say kisame from what we have seen would put up a fight against Most of em

 

[Strawberry]

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This is true, but Muu has to become visible and make his chakra reappear before using his jinton. It's because of this, he loses his element of surprise. The moment he becomes visible, Kisame will detect his whereabouts rather then having to find him. Jinton isn't instant, it needs to be charged up [

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] Thus allowing Kisame to use Daikodan which will absorb Jinton and defeat Muu.

Lol...not quite.



Chakra absorption. No chakra=death. And before you go on saying how he has enough stamina to fight for 3 days straight or whatever, just know that he stalemated with the Hachibi. Kisame absorbed every ounce of not only the Hachibis chakra, but Bee's as well. He'll do the same to Sandaime.



Amen!



Not only the list in the title, but i'm saying he defeats pretty much everyone who isn't top 1-8 or so. With the exception of Gai and Kakashi though.



He strips Sandaime of all his chakra like he did to Bee and the Hachibi. Kisamehada is said to have no weaknesses and will just absorb the raiton. Kisame has tougher match-ups then him tbh.



Agree! hence why I believe he should be top 10. Top 13 the absolute lowest.

Makes sense.

 

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nah jinton owns!

This is excusable since your a Giants fan

Kisame is not top 10 sorry but top 15 maybe
nagato
madara
hashirama
orochimaru
jiraiya
itachi
minato
a
kabuto
obito
muu
naruto
ems sasuke
are all overall stronger

but in a fight I would say kisame from what we have seen would put up a fight against Most of em

Kisame defeats everyone in bold.

@ Red- Kisame>EMS Madara without the Kyuubi. Yeah, I said it! and have no problem debating on it, if you disagree.

Makes sense.

If this is sarcasm, feel free to counter!

 

[Unbiased King]

He strips Sandaime of all his chakra like he did to Bee and the Hachibi. Kisamehada is said to have no weaknesses and will just absorb the raiton. Kisame has tougher match-ups then him tbh.

Well if Sandaime gets the opportunity to attack Kisame while he's in his water dome with raiton, knowing the properties of water and electricity, the electricity will spread throughout the entire water dome literally at the speed of light. Although Samehade will be able to absorb the lightning, it wouldn't be fast enough to actually protect Kisame from the attack, especially on such a large scale like the water dome.

Even if he strips Sandaime of his chakra, Kisame would still have to find a way to harm him, no?

 

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Suiton: Daikōdan

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A stronger version of the Water Release: Water Shark Bullet Technique, where the user creates a gigantic shark out of water and, by thrusting both hands forward, sends it to attack the opponent. This technique differs from the original in that it is able to absorb the chakra from an opponent's technique and in turn, use that chakra to grow larger and more powerful. Therefore, the stronger the opponent's technique is, the stronger this technique will get.

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as mentioned above kisame is able to absorb ninjutsu attacks thus all ninjutsu attacks are rendered useless
this creates a situation where opponents are forced to stick to taijutsu wherein kisame is free to bombard them with all the suiton jutsus in his arsenal

thus KISAME >> Muu, Trollkage, Sandaime Raikage, Killer B , sasori Etc


i agree with you that kisame is underrrated and has to placed in the top 5 strongest ninja
great thread bro

~ i just dont see how he defeats minato ... and i am saying minato defeats kisame high diff ~
... i am sure u must have had something in mind to say this .... so plzz do let me kno if iam wrong ...​

 

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Well if Sandaime gets the opportunity to attack Kisame while he's in his water dome with raiton, knowing the properties of water and electricity, the electricity will spread throughout the entire water dome literally at the speed of light. Although Samehade will be able to absorb the lightning, it wouldn't be fast enough to actually protect Kisame from the attack, especially on such a large scale like the water dome.

Even if he strips Sandaime of his chakra, Kisame would still have to find a way to harm him, no?

Kisamehada will absorb the raiton on contact. Even if they don't absorb all of it, the damage will be minimal and Kisame is a very durable character so it won't kill him.

No chakra=death. Nearly all of Bee's chakra was absorbed

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and it left Bee defenseless and incapable of moving. The same applies for Sandaime.

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A stronger version of the Water Release: Water Shark Bullet Technique, where the user creates a gigantic shark out of water and, by thrusting both hands forward, sends it to attack the opponent. This technique differs from the original in that it is able to absorb the chakra from an opponent's technique and in turn, use that chakra to grow larger and more powerful. Therefore, the stronger the opponent's technique is, the stronger this technique will get.

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as mentioned above kisame is able to absorb ninjutsu attacks thus all ninjutsu attacks are rendered useless
this creates a situation where opponents are forced to stick to taijutsu wherein kisame is free to bombard them with all the suiton jutsus in his arsenal

thus KISAME >> Muu, Trollkage, Sandaime Raikage, Killer B , sasori Etc


i agree with you that kisame is underrrated and has to placed in the top 5 strongest ninja
great thread bro

~ i just dont see how he defeats minato ... and i am saying minato defeats kisame high diff ~
... i am sure u must have had something in mind to say this .... so plzz do let me kno if iam wrong ...​

Thanks man! I wouldn't go as far as saying he's top 5, however. Top 10, yes.

Kisame defeats Minato because his FTG technique would be near useless as Kisame can change the battlefield into a giant lake. The FTG Kunais will only sink to the bottom which won't do him any good. Also, Minatos only means of attack, the rasengan, can be easily tanked by Kisame's durability and healing abilites granted by Samehada.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Who says Kisame won't notice a giant projectile being charged up then fired at him? GSB>Jinton

Yeah...

No.

Dust release is way too fast for that to happen. GSB is slow in comparison. Did you not see it clashing with Hirudora? Dust Release is bloody instant.

As for Bijuudama, it ain't eating through 3 bijuudamas.

Sorry.

 

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Yeah...

No.

Dust release is way too fast for that to happen. GSB is slow in comparison. Did you not see it clashing with Hirudora? Dust Release is bloody instant.

As for Bijuudama, it ain't eating through 3 bijuudamas.

Sorry.

And you never fail to make me question what manga you're talking about.

Dust release is "bloody instant" huh? [

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] That's why it needs to be charged up first, right? The fact that Muu completed 2 full sentences before Jinton

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totally indicates that it is instant, and Kisame will have absolutely no chance of reacting. Yeah, okay.
GSB>Jinton and you have yet to prove me wrong.

Did I not see it clashing with Hirudora? I'm going to ask you the same question.

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Sorry? Lmao...this dude

 

[Izuna Kakashi Senju]

I agree Kisame can beat most of the ninja's you have listed however the 2nd Mizukage wouldn't really be affected by Suiton as he has the hydrification techinque and Kisame hasn't got a way too stop Joki Boy explosion.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

And you never fail to make me question what manga you're talking about.

Dust release is "bloody instant" huh? [

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] That's why it needs to be charged up first, right? The fact that Muu completed 2 full sentences before Jinton

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totally indicates that it is instant, and Kisame will have absolutely no chance of reacting. Yeah, okay.
GSB>Jinton and you have yet to prove me wrong.

Did I not see it clashing with Hirudora? I'm going to ask you the same question.

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Sorry? Lmao...this dude

I'm not going to bother arguing with someone who says a freaking Suiton eats through 3 bijuudamas.

Oh and Kisame isn't beating Jiraiya, lmao what the f-.

 

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I agree Kisame can beat most of the ninja's you have listed however the 2nd Mizukage wouldn't really be affected by Suiton as he has the hydrification techinque and Kisame hasn't got a way too stop Joki Boy explosion.

Your right about trollkage not being affected by Suiton due to hydrification, however Kisame can still drain his chakra. If the trollkage were to merge with the water dome, for example, Kisame would still be draining his chakra.

Joki Boy isn't a problem, however. Trollkage is greatly weakened while using this technique, thus resorting to hiding. Problem for him is, Kisame will be able to sense him when fused with Samehada and it won't be hard defeating him in his weakened state.

I'm not going to bother arguing with someone who says a freaking Suiton eats through 3 bijuudamas.

Oh and Kisame isn't beating Jiraiya, lmao what the f-.

I said this? Quote me then. You might as well not even bother anyways, you haven't countered anything. I give you manga evidence to why Jinton isn't instant and you're reply was this. :|

Okay buddy. Just like Kisame isn't beating Minato, Muu, Sandaime Raikage, and Bee. All of which you weren't even capable of backing up. But, whatever you say.

 

[Unbiased King]

Kisamehada will absorb the raiton on contact. Even if they don't absorb all of it, the damage will be minimal and Kisame is a very durable character so it won't kill him.

Kisame is a very durable character? On what grounds? And I don't think Samehada or Kisamehade can absorb any attack faster than the speed of light, since the speed of light is the fastest thing. Period.

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Here Bee is shown using Samehada to absorb an attack, notice that Samehada does not absorb the entire thing in the brevity of interaction in conjunction with the size of the attack; therefore a lightning attack that combines a water dome into a lightning field will fry Kisame on the grounds that Samehada cannot absorb enough of the attack in time.

No chakra=death. Nearly all of Bee's chakra was absorbed

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and it left Bee defenseless and incapable of moving. The same applies for Sandaime.

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Here Samehada attempted to drain Bee's chakra. Although Samehada managed to snag some chakra from Bee, he still has his cloak, meaning that Samehada cannot absorb chakra quickly.

How is this relevent you may ask? Granted, Samehada can absorb chakra from the Sandaime Raikage, but will the Sandaime actually remain still and allow all his chakra to be drained?

 

[Icelerate]

How does Kisame beat Sandaime?

If he uses his Water Dome, he's begging for Sandaime to fry the entire thing with a simple raiton tech.

Kisame is my favorite akatsuki member and in my top 10, but he doesn't top Sandaime.

Well if Sandaime gets the opportunity to attack Kisame while he's in his water dome with raiton, knowing the properties of water and electricity, the electricity will spread throughout the entire water dome literally at the speed of light. Although Samehade will be able to absorb the lightning, it wouldn't be fast enough to actually protect Kisame from the attack, especially on such a large scale like the water dome.

Even if he strips Sandaime of his chakra, Kisame would still have to find a way to harm him, no?

The chakra within the 3rd Raikage's lightning technique will be absorbed so it isn't frying Kisame. If it was so easy, Bee would have stomped Kisame by frying him.

Anyway Kisame beats the 3rd Raikage by drowning him in the water dome.

Bee VS Kisame is debatable but Bee didn't go all out against Kisame because he has devastating attacks that would kill his friends and he didn't want to alert the Raikage to his position. I think Bee is too much for Kisame to handle. His suiton that can absorb chakra is very deadly but his

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will repel the water back at Kisame. Multiple bijuu damas will also overwhelm him.

 

[Lilt]

Minato ends Kisame quite easily. FTG to the face ends him since no intel.

Kisame can regenerate though, then form an ocean dome.

Muu? Kisame ain't blocking a surprise Dust Release.

When has Muu done a "surprise" Dust Release?

Sandaime Raikage? Nukite cuts him in two.

Kisame absorbs chakra though.

Killer Bee? Bijuudama to the face. Or multiple bijuudama. Or the whirlwind thing.

Kisame's shark missile absorbs chakra, so it would trump a TBB in a head-on collision.

 

[Unbiased King]

The chakra within the 3rd Raikage's lightning technique will be absorbed so it isn't frying Kisame. If it was so easy, Bee would have stomped Kisame by frying him.

But like I said, it would be Samehada's rate of absorption against a water dome being electrocuted, to which Samahada will succumb to. The difference between Bee and Sandaime is that Sandaime can electrocute the water dome with him actually being inside it for two reasons: being able to use longe range Raiton (Black Lightning technniques) and being able to avoid getting caught in the water dome. Even then, Sandaime will tank any electrocution while being inside the water dome,

Anyway Kisame beats the 3rd Raikage by drowning him in the water dome.

Sandaime bolts out of the water dome. The epicenter of the dome is Kisame, meaning all Sandaime has to do is keep distance from him and therefore stay out of the water dome. The reason why Bee failed to do this was because Kisamehada>Bee in speed. Obviously Sandaime>Kisamehada in speed.

 

[AGoodBoy]

True.

He beats Muu(possibly) if he doesn't get flanked with a jinton. WD should ensure that doesn't happen.
He beats trollkage because he's a water user who relies on a genjutsu clam and jokey boy. WD would not only keep jokey boy cool, it would find the clam.
All raikages lose because they lose their power when their cloak is absorbed. Just getting near kisame would result in no-cloak; same as with Bee.
He beats Bee... like the last time.

However, he doesn't beat minato. Minato doesn't use chakra heavy attacks. Fighting minato would be like fighting guy all over again, but this time, minato would just dodge GSB. There isn't much chakra he'd get off minato, and there's the fact that minato uses seals. A 5 elemental seal would completely ruin kisame's chakra control. Then there's his barrier jutsu; He said he'd put up a barrier around the kyuubi, so we know he has a very powerful barrier tech. From there, he can lay a kunai in his barrier and troll rape kisame. Popping into the barrier for safety then FTG out to blitz him. Continuing that would result in kisame's loss as he won't be able to get near minato.
In short; Theoretically, minato is one of kisame's worst match ups.

However, Chakra absorption (able to completely drain a tailed beast), Chakra absorbing jutsu, 1000 shark bombs (on base chakra and no samehade alone), his ability to create lakes, and his strength and Healingall make him a very tough opponent. The only people who can beat him are those who use jutsu that aren't necessarily chakra based. Such as; Amaterasu, taijutsu, kenjutsu, and so on. That's Assuming you're strong enough to put him down with such abilities.

 

[AGoodBoy]

But like I said, it would be Samehada's rate of absorption against a water dome being electrocuted, to which Samahada will succumb to. The difference between Bee and Sandaime is that Sandaime can electrocute the water dome with him actually being inside it for two reasons: being able to use longe range Raiton (Black Lightning technniques) and being able to avoid getting caught in the water dome. Even then, Sandaime will tank any electrocution while being inside the water dome,


Sandaime bolts out of the water dome. The epicenter of the dome is Kisame, meaning all Sandaime has to do is keep distance from him and therefore stay out of the water dome. The reason why Bee failed to do this was because Kisamehada>Bee in speed. Obviously Sandaime>Kisamehada in speed.

Dude what the hell? Kisame already absorbed a lightning attack. Then there's the fact that he heals. Then there's the fact that WD has constant chakra absorption. By the time that lightning reaches him, it's already been partially absorbed. Then there's the fact that GSB would absorb the lightning while pummeling Raikage. Then there's the fact that raikage won't be far enough to prep any attacks. Then there's the fact that lightning has never been shown to be kisame's weakness.


Like seriously, What the hell? No one's faster than kisamhade in WD. They have to swim and he sharks his way through. This baseless assumption is just ignorant. Sandaime isn't getting far away from kisame, not when kisame has kiling intent.

 

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Kisame is a very durable character? On what grounds? And I don't think Samehada or Kisamehade can absorb any attack faster than the speed of light, since the speed of light is the fastest thing. Period.

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Here Bee is shown using Samehada to absorb an attack, notice that Samehada does not absorb the entire thing in the brevity of interaction in conjunction with the size of the attack; therefore a lightning attack that combines a water dome into a lightning field will fry Kisame on the grounds that Samehada cannot absorb enough of the attack in time.

Well, I don't think I need to pull out the manga scan where Kisame tanked Hirudora. But Kisame took a V2 skull Bee Lariat [

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Furthermore, Kisame says

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"Even I would end up with a hole in me" Which implies he's durable then most.

We have seen lightning come in contact with water twice, and it doesn't transmit like you think it does.

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the lightning is infused with the Water Dragon Bullet and it isn't even a large amount. Sasuke took the full effects of lightning and water head on and it didn't accomplish much

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Therefore, the lightning isn't frying Kisame. And if he doesn't manage to absorb every bit of lightning, he is durable and very pain resistant. Not to mention has healing abilities granted, Samehada.

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Here Samehada attempted to drain Bee's chakra. Although Samehada managed to snag some chakra from Bee, he still has his cloak, meaning that Samehada cannot absorb chakra quickly.

How is this relevent you may ask? Granted, Samehada can absorb chakra from the Sandaime Raikage, but will the Sandaime actually remain still and allow all his chakra to be drained?

Samehada isn't absorbing all of Sandaimes chakra in one given go, that's for sure. Sandaime being a close range fighter makes it easier for Samehada and Kisame, because he has no choice but to get within CQC where Samehada will be chipping away at his chakra.

Bee VS Kisame is debatable but Bee didn't go all out against Kisame because he has devastating attacks that would kill his friends and he didn't want to alert the Raikage to his position. I think Bee is too much for Kisame to handle. His suiton that can absorb chakra is very deadly but his

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will repel the water back at Kisame. Multiple bijuu damas will also overwhelm him.

The same could be said about Kisame. He didn't go all out against Bee, because his goal was to capture not kill. However, I will admit if Bee's intentions are blood lusted and he resorts to going full bijuu mode of the bat, Kisame doesn't stand a chance. But IC, that isn't in Bee's mechanics to do that. Thus, allowing Kisame to absorb a large portion of his chakra before hand. Then theres the factor that Bee doesn't know of GSB, and will fire off a TBB not knowing it will only work against him, not to mention even further exhausting his chakra.

However, he doesn't beat minato. Minato doesn't use chakra heavy attacks. Fighting minato would be like fighting guy all over again, but this time, minato would just dodge GSB. There isn't much chakra he'd get off minato, and there's the fact that minato uses seals. A 5 elemental seal would completely ruin kisame's chakra control. Then there's his barrier jutsu; He said he'd put up a barrier around the kyuubi, so we know he has a very powerful barrier tech. From there, he can lay a kunai in his barrier and troll rape kisame. Popping into the barrier for safety then FTG out to blitz him. Continuing that would result in kisame's loss as he won't be able to get near minato.
In short; Theoretically, minato is one of kisame's worst match ups.

I'm fairly sure Minato was talking to Kushina when he said

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, hence her reply back to him. Also, the barrier was Kushinas.

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This pretty much shatters your whole scenario of Minato placing a barrier around Kisame.
Using rasengan is useless because it only gets absorbed. Trying to kill Kisame via his Kunia is useless due to Samehadas healing. FTG isn't useful since Kisame can change the entire battlefield into a lake, thus not allowing Minato tag anything or spread his Kunais around.

Really, it's a bad match-up for Minato, not Kisame.