Kisame>Minato, Muu, Trollkage, Sandaime Raikage, Killer B

[Forbidden Technique]

...And anybody else placed above him in a top 9-20 category list.
(With the exception of Gai, his worst match-up possible, and Kakashi, via the haxed kamui)

All fanboyism aside, the Kisame underration needs to stop! This guy is a broken character and I see no reason why he isn't even considered to be within the top 9-13 category.

If you disagree on any accounts, rather then just posting who you think defeats him, respectfully post why and we can debate on it.

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[NarutoB]

If he was strong as Bee and any Kage then why didn't he just kill Gai? :|

 

[Shura]

I don't think Kisame is really underrated that much. :eww:

 

[Optimistic]

Don't know about Bee but the rest i agree on, we don't know if his sword can absorb full Biju mode Bee.Nor do we know if it has the absorbing ability to take in a Bijudama.Samedah(might've misspelled) will always betray Kisame as long as someone has more chakra than Kisame himself.​

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

Akatsuki members are generally underrated (except Obito and maybe Itachi)

 

[NarutoB]

Akatsuki members are generally underrated (except Obito and maybe Itachi)

C'mon now dude.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Minato ends Kisame quite easily. FTG to the face ends him since no intel.

Muu? Kisame ain't blocking a surprise Dust Release. RIP Kisame.

Sandaime Raikage? Nukite cuts him in two.

Killer Bee? Bijuudama to the face. Or multiple bijuudama. Or the whirlwind thing.

The only one he beats in that list is Trollkage and -MAYBE just MAYBE- Minato.

 

[TheEvilOne]

even that pathetic Guy made him his *****. Kisame stands no chance against those guys.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

If he was strong as Bee and any Kage then why didn't he just kill Gai? :|

Because A>B>C logic doesn't apply to Naruto and Gai is his worst match-up possible. (Hence 2/3 fights involving Kisame was with Gai)

Don't know about Bee but the rest i agree on, we don't know if his sword can absorb full Biju mode Bee.Nor do we know if it has the absorbing ability to take in a Bijudama.Samedah(might've misspelled) will always betray Kisame as long as someone has more chakra than Kisame himself.​

Samehada alone definitely isn't absorbing full Bijuu mode, thats for sure. But he doesn't need to. Kisamehada can absorb it's chakra in the WD. Bijuudama is countered by GSB. I don't know if Samehada betraying Kisame for anybody with more chakra is necessarily true. Samehada stayed loyal to Kisame throughout the majority of the fight despite it tasting Bee's chakra. The only time Samehada betrayed him was when Zetsu was wielding it. Also, Kisame solo'd the 4 tails and it didn't betray him.

Minato ends Kisame quite easily. FTG to the face ends him since no intel.

Muu? Kisame ain't blocking a surprise Dust Release. RIP Kisame.

Sandaime Raikage? Nukite cuts him in two.

Killer Bee? Bijuudama to the face. Or multiple bijuudama. Or the whirlwind thing.

The only one he beats in that list is Trollkage and -MAYBE just MAYBE- Minato.

Never did I say it was no intel. Minato loses because Kisames ability to change the entire battlefield into sea-world renders FTG almost useless. Also, Minato lacks the firepower to permanently put Kisame down.

Muu going invisible isn't a problem. Kisame fused with Samehada gains sensory abilities. Therefore, no surprise Jinton.

Any proof to why Kisame can't react to Sandaime Raikage? Nonetheless, Sandaime is done in the Water Dome.

GSB>Bijuudama.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Muu going invisible isn't a problem. Kisame fused with Samehada gains sensory abilities. Therefore, no surprise Jinton.

Who says he isn't flying and sniping him from 100 meters away?

Either way Kisame has no way of blocking Dust Release.

Any proof to why Kisame can't react to Sandaime Raikage? Nonetheless, Sandaime is done in the Water Dome.

Because he has no speed feats?

Sandaime Raikage is about as fast as V1 Ay and Sasuke needed the sharingan to contend with that.

Either way Kisame has nothing to hurt him with. Sandaime's stamina is through the roof and Kisame is not blocking Nukite.

GSB>Bijuudama.

Sure.

One.

Bee can fire three or more in quick succesion.

 

[Optimistic]

Samehada alone definitely isn't absorbing full Bijuu mode, thats for sure. But he doesn't need to. Kisamehada can absorb it's chakra in the WD. Bijuudama is countered by GSB. I don't know if Samehada betraying Kisame for anybody with more chakra is necessarily true. Samehada stayed loyal to Kisame throughout the majority of the fight despite it tasting Bee's chakra. The only time Samehada betrayed him was when Zetsu was wielding it. Also, Kisame solo'd the 4 tails and it didn't betray him.

The 4 tails is nothing compared to the 8 tails, Son Goku is literally half of the 8 Tails.IMO Kisame doesn't need his sword to begin with, he has Bijuu level chakra as well as a jutsu that can absorb projectiles.

But blocking

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ain't gonna happen​

 

[Forbidden Technique]

I knew I shouldn't have posted this thread until I finished my school work. :dunno: I won't be able to reply back for quite awhile, so...

Who says he isn't flying and sniping him from 100 meters away?

Either way Kisame has no way of blocking Dust Release.



Because he has no speed feats?

Sandaime Raikage is about as fast as V1 Ay and Sasuke needed the sharingan to contend with that.

Either way Kisame has nothing to hurt him with. Sandaime's stamina is through the roof and Kisame is not blocking Nukite.



Sure.

One.

Bee can fire three or more in quick succesion.

Who says Kisame won't notice a giant projectile being charged up then fired at him? GSB>Jinton

Bee was able to match the Raikage in speed,

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]. Yet, Kisame was able to react and out maneuver 7 tailed chakra cloak Bee [

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]. Kisame should have no problem reacting with Sandaime. And I don't think you fully understand Kisame and his abilities. Kisame thrives off chakra. The more his opponent possesses, the stronger Kisame becomes. Your point about Sandaimes stamina being through the roof doesn't hold any merit, as he stalemated with the Hachibi, yet Kisame stripped Bee and the Hachibi of all there chakra. No chakra=death.

So now are we denying manga fact that GSB can absorb chakra?
That is all under the assumption that Bee has enough chakra in the tank to do so. If the latter allows Bee to go full bijuu mode, then it is extremely likely that he is already or will be caught in the WD where Kisamehada will be even closer to draining all his chakra. A continuis TBB isn't going to defeat Kisame here as he won't be able to hit him when Kisamehada would be latched to the Hachibi.

The 4 tails is nothing compared to the 8 tails, Son Goku is literally half of the 8 Tails.IMO Kisame doesn't need his sword to begin with, he has Bijuu level chakra as well as a jutsu that can absorb projectiles.

But blocking

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ain't gonna happen​

You're most likely right, but that isn't harming Kisame in the WD where he will be practically up Bee's ass. TBB aren't meant for a close range assault.

 

[Jenga]

Because A>B>C logic doesn't apply to Naruto and Gai is his worst match-up possible. (Hence 2/3 fights involving Kisame was with Gai)



Samehada alone definitely isn't absorbing full Bijuu mode, thats for sure. But he doesn't need to. Kisamehada can absorb it's chakra in the WD. Bijuudama is countered by GSB. I don't know if Samehada betraying Kisame for anybody with more chakra is necessarily true. Samehada stayed loyal to Kisame throughout the majority of the fight despite it tasting Bee's chakra. The only time Samehada betrayed him was when Zetsu was wielding it. Also, Kisame solo'd the 4 tails and it didn't betray him.



Never did I say it was no intel. Minato loses because Kisames ability to change the entire battlefield into sea-world renders FTG almost useless. Also, Minato lacks the firepower to permanently put Kisame down.

Muu going invisible isn't a problem. Kisame fused with Samehada gains sensory abilities. Therefore, no surprise Jinton.

Any proof to why Kisame can't react to Sandaime Raikage? Nonetheless, Sandaime is done in the Water Dome.

GSB>Bijuudama.

@Minato. Kisame can make the battlefield into a sea-world? this isn't disneyland yo, FTG = Flying Thunder God Technique , You can't fly in the water , it's in the air so Minato > Kisame.
@Muu. Muu can erase his chakra so how is he gonna sense him if he is un-sensible?Muu>Kisame.
@Saindame Raikage. No explanation needed. Raikage > Kisame.

 

[Optimistic]

@Saindame Raikage. No explanation needed. Raikage > Kisame.

Please explain, i need a good laugh.​

 

[Jenga]

Please explain, i need a good laugh.​

Ultimate Defense + Ultimate Attack.
Head 2 Head with the Hachibi , Took TBB like it was nothing.
What is kisame gonna use against him?

 

[Optimistic]

Ultimate Defense + Ultimate Attack.
Head 2 Head with the Hachibi , Took TBB like it was nothing.
What is kisame gonna use against him?

absorb his chakra:|
He took Bee from V2 to V1, Kisame's shark skin will have a great meal fighting the Raikage.​

 

[slaton02]

I agre 100% Kisame's underrating needs to stop he has the best counter for TBB, fusion mode he has no weakness, Tsunami size water jutsu that can change the landscape and negate opponent's way of fighting. Feats speak for themselves and just look at his. Minato has no way of killing Kisame atm there should be no question about Kisame>Minato

 

[Fodder#4]

I agree that he can either stalemate or beat nearly everyone on this list. Though the Mizukage and Muu would be his hardest opponents for him.

 

[Unbiased King]

How does Kisame beat Sandaime?

If he uses his Water Dome, he's begging for Sandaime to fry the entire thing with a simple raiton tech.

Kisame is my favorite akatsuki member and in my top 10, but he doesn't top Sandaime.

 

[Zexion~]

He is only stronger then mu because he may be the worst possible match up for him .. but i agree about the others.. hes also stronger then the gokage...