[Debate] Creationism VS Evolution in schools

[Mukatel]

The idea that everyone was a microbe is just a new era psudoscience which makes us doubt the mental abilities of those who believe in it

 

[Olorin]

The idea that everyone was a microbe is just a new era psudoscience which makes us doubt the mental abilities of those who believe in it

As opposed to those who believe in creationism?
Lol those are tho nes who have ghe intelligence capacity of a microbe

 

[Mukatel]

As opposed to those who believe in creationism?
Lol those are tho nes who have ghe intelligence capacity of a microbe

who created the whole universe ?!

 

[Pervy Wrath]

who created the whole universe ?!

Or what

 

[Olorin]

who created the whole universe ?!

I believe that the world and everything else was created by a bein called Eru Illuvatar and than he sent the Valar from his timeless halls to be the rullers of this world, bu than when the dark lord Melkor arose they defeated him and locked him up

However one of his servants remained, he was defeated once before but he came back,he tried to rule over our world but the Valar send the Istari from Valinor to guide us so that we could defeat him, and eventually thanks to a certain someone who could also make miracles and under his guidance our ancestors rid this world of evil and than the firstborn departed into the west

I believe in Him who was their guide and his name is Olorin ........ Also called Gandalf by some people and there is also Manwe and ofc Eru

And dont anyone dare to deny my religion without disproving it with facts first! And since Eru created the entire universe and everything in it and if you study ithe universe (science) you just study his (Illuvatars) history, its also based on a BOOK, therefore you have NO argument to make against me ... Therefore what I wrote is 100% true, its true because noone here can bring forth facts to prove me wrong ... as a matter of fact ill go right to the deans office and demand the university make a college teaching this belief of mine! they cant prove its wrong so logically it follows that its correct, which means it should be thaught in all schoolS!!!

 

[HadouKage]

1. It teaches you things that aren't true.
2. It is claimed to be science, the people who support it call it creation science.
3. Radioactive dating.
4. Okay.
5. It's not science or educational material because it doesn't follow the scientific method nor does it meet the requirements of educational standards.

Last I checked, theories aren't fact :|

 

[Mukatel]

I believe that the world and everything else was created by a bein called Eru Illuvatar and than he sent the Valar from his timeless halls to be the rullers of this world, bu than when the dark lord Melkor arose they defeated him and locked him up

However one of his servants remained, he was defeated once before but he came back,he tried to rule over our world but the Valar send the Istari from Valinor to guide us so that we could defeat him, and eventually thanks to a certain someone who could also make miracles and under his guidance our ancestors rid this world of evil and than the firstborn departed into the west

I believe in Him who was their guide and his name is Olorin ........ Also called Gandalf by some people and there is also Manwe and ofc Eru

And dont anyone dare to deny my religion without disproving it with facts first! And since Eru created the entire universe and everything in it and if you study ithe universe (science) you just study his (Illuvatars) history, its also based on a BOOK, therefore you have NO argument to make against me ... Therefore what I wrote is 100% true, its true because noone here can bring forth facts to prove me wrong ... as a matter of fact ill go right to the deans office and demand the university make a college teaching this belief of mine! they cant prove its wrong so logically it follows that its correct, which means it should be thaught in all schoolS!!!

So, basically, you are a pagan who worship idols and meanwhile you think that you were a microbe ?

 

[Olorin]

So, basically, you are a pagan who worship idols and meanwhile you think that you were a microbe ?

nah, im saying that all arguments for creationism are idiotic

 

[Mukatel]

nah, im saying that all arguments for creationism are idiotic

The claim that you are descended from microbal ancestor is, to the contrary, brilliant

 

[Olorin]

The claim that you are descended from microbal ancestor is, to the contrary, brilliant

im glad you see it too, so they managed to convince you, good good

 

[Cornson]

I think Creationism should be banned in ALL schools, including private schools too. Here's why:

1. It provides no education to those learning about it.

2. It is basically a pseudoscience, it claims to be creation science but in reality it does not follow the scientific method.

3. Doesn't make sense either, teaches that humans coexisted with dinosaurs when this is not true. Humans came long after dinosaurs.

4. It also has tons of baseless assumptions, such as a god or supreme being creating the earth or that the earth itself is about 6,000 to/or 10,000 years old.

5. In other words, not science material or educational material.

I have no problem with the argument "Teach the controversy" but when there aren't any, what so ever... well then how about that school just teach the student actuall facts about reality? (and not just totally baseless idea that have no grunds in reality) (I mean come on Creationism is nothing but "God did it, With MAGIC!")

and im sorry but that just isen't good enough!

 

[Krauq]

Last I checked, theories aren't fact :|

Common Ancestry is a fact. Us evolving from apes is a fact. Change within a species, is a fact. The Theory OF Evolution explains why it happens and how. Gravity is a fact, what explains why it occurs and explains it's existence is a theory, relativity.

 

[Krauq]

I have no problem with the argument "Teach the controversy" but when there aren't any, what so ever... well then how about that school just teach the student actuall facts about reality? (and not just totally baseless idea that have no grunds in reality) (I mean come on Creationism is nothing but "God did it, With MAGIC!")

and im sorry but that just isen't good enough!

The problem is that people can learn about the controversy, I just don't see how they can't learn about it at home on their computers or with their parents..

 

[Krauq]

The claim that you are descended from microbal ancestor is, to the contrary, brilliant

What else would we have come from? Magical unicorn poo? Nothing?

 

[HadouKage]

Common Ancestry is a fact. Us evolving from apes is a fact. Change within a species, is a fact. The Theory OF Evolution explains why it happens and how. Gravity is a fact, what explains why it occurs and explains it's existence is a theory, relativity.

Big Bang Theory
And last I heard gravity wasn't a fact not was the Theory of Evolution

 

[Cornson]

at first I wanted to replie to every single post i saw in this thread that I knew was either "factual wrong" about evolution, or was simply trying to push the agenda of teach creationism in school (the teach the controversy and all that) but I realized that I hadent even gotten to the second page and I already had managed to write a pretty big post... (in other words i pretty much gave up...)

(here Is what I did write before I gave up)

I didn't remember my teacher teaching creationism, all i remeber is the bunch of brainwashing with their darwinism.

I'm sorry that you feel that being though actually fact about nature and reality is you being brainwashed...

Thanks for your opinion. Have you ever been educated in a Christian or faith-teaching school? I'm assuming not, so you really have no place to judge.

So your saying because we did not recive a bad education (one with a low amount of actual facts about reality and science) we aren't allowed to to judge educations that are factual inferior?

I don't see why some parents freak out over it so much. Gravity is only a theory but students still learn about that.

You do know that there is a huge difference in the common use of "Theory" and the way it's used by scientists right?

what we normal people call a Theory is what the Scientists call a hypotese (a idea, that is not backed up by facts) when the scientists use the word Theory it is something that is so overwelmingly backed up by facts that's it simply can't be see as anything other than confirmed.

Just like what people call the Law of Gravity is by normal people is called "the theory of gravity" by the scientists, and a fun fact the theory of evolution is the theory humanity have the most amount of evidence to back it up, by a huge margin I may add, you could combine all the evidence there are for every single scientific theory we have ever made and there would still be more evidence backing the theory of evolution.

Both should be taught!

when there are enough evidence to prove that Creationism is true, they can teach it all they want in school, but untill then, keep it out!

Creation is true if ur one of the billions who believe in either jewism, Christianity, Islam, etc. Even old native americans had stories of a god creating everything. It has a rich history. It should b thought in a history class.

What does a personal belief in "something" make it a reality? (avording to that logic santa claus is real, and so is vampires, and wearwolves...)

Evolution is something that makes sense but till we find an animal that is actually changing naturally without us doing it I'm still skeptic.

you need to read up on evolution... Evolution is not spontanius changing in a animal but small changes betwean every single generation of a species that over the span og many thousands (if not million of years) make changes in species.

Also the fact that that nothing made everything is slightly hard to imagine. So yep that's my stance on it.

(your refearing to the big bang theory here right) ? how is that different that God poofed everything in to existance?

and those theories have nothing to do with each other.

Go cry moar

Not sure which school you went to. Dutch school don't teach creationism at all.
Plus, why does it bother you so much? More than half of the world believes in creationism, so you having more insight about it would enable you to discuss about creationism and look at things differently. The more knowledge, the better.

edit: Both should be taught.

one is knowledge, the other is wishfull thinking with not actually evidence to back it up...

 

[Olorin]

Big Bang Theory
And last I heard gravity wasn't a fact not was the Theory of Evolution

yes because youre being pushed down by invisible leprecons, NOT gravity

 

[scrmz]

Evolution is a fact. We are still looking for the facts, though.

 

[Mukatel]

Evolution is a fact. We are still looking for the facts, though.

what made it fact ?

 

[King Of Crows]

yes because youre being pushed down by invisible leprecons, NOT gravity

Gravity is still considered a theory because nothing is truly made a law in physics. Look it up ! Yeah, gravity is a fact though