[Debate] Creationism VS Evolution in schools

[Krauq]

I live in the Bible Belt and they teach Evolution so your point is irrelevant. At least, concerning where I live.

In the south and in other places in america, creationists force their beliefs into public schools and they try to slip it in by putting in their own books into the classrooms.

 

[Krauq]

Go cry moar

Not sure which school you went to. Dutch school don't teach creationism at all.
Plus, why does it bother you so much? More than half of the world believe in creationism, so you having more insight about it would enable you to discuss about creationism and look at things differently. The more knowledge, the better.

edit: Both should be taught.

Not even crying. In america creationists try to force their agenda into public schools and some have been very successful, that's why I think it's an issue.

 

[Yusuke Urameshi]

I think Creationism should be banned in ALL schools, including private schools too. Here's why:

1. It provides no education to those learning about it.

2. It is basically a pseudoscience, it claims to be creation science but in reality it does not follow the scientific method.

3. Doesn't make sense either, teaches that humans coexisted with dinosaurs when this is not true. Humans came long after dinosaurs.

4. It also has tons of baseless assumptions, such as a god or supreme being creating the earth or that the earth itself is about 6,000 to/or 10,000 years old.

5. In other words, not science material or educational material.

Let me respond to the OP, then.

1. That's just idiotic to say. It obviously teaches you things, you even said so in your response to me.
2. That's why there are creationists, scientists that believe in creation. Obviously not science.
3. Is there any proof of this?
4. And evolution doesn't. Ok...
5. Once again, just wrong.

 

[sasori345]

The basis of the Darwinian theory of evolution is

Complex integrated information can arise from random copying errors and deletions (natural selection)

Ask a PC programmer to create an 8GB Windows 7 or ANY program of similar size and complexity from a 1MB program with nothing but random copying errors, deletions. he will LAUGH AT YOU

This theory is foolishness to the highest degree. the out spoken proponents of Darwinian evolution will look like COMPLETE intellectual dunces 50 years from now

 

[Vincent Pryce]

The teachings of private schools arent slways good. My local news station recently ran a segment about a private school here. They gave an example of a test given to students. It was shit like:

Humans lived with dinosaurs. True or False
What were the names of the first two humans?
What is the history book of the universe? (Answer was bible)

The pic of the quiz went viral -_- idiots always embarrassing our state

So you are saying that everyone who believes in creationism is an idiot. That's retarded.

 

[King Of Crows]

Let me respond to the OP, then.

1. That's just idiotic to say. It obviously teaches you things, you even said so in your response to me.
2. That's why there are creationists, scientists that believe in creation. Obviously not science.
3. Is there any proof of this?
4. And evolution doesn't. Ok...
5. Once again, just wrong.

3. Yes, there is. Fromt he countless fossils we have of dinosaurs and the fossils we have of early man, we can deduce how old they are. Trust me when I say dinosaurs came way before us. If not, then do some research, it is fairly interesting stuff

The basis of the Darwinian theory of evolution is

Complex integrated information can arise from random copying errors and deletions (natural selection)

Ask a PC programmer to create an 8GB Windows 7 or ANY program of similar size and complexity from a 1MB program with nothing but random copying errors, deletions. he will LAUGH AT YOU

This theory is foolishness to the highest degree. the out spoken proponents of Darwinian evolution will look like COMPLETE intellectual dunces 50 years from now

Oh look, I was waiting for you to appear. Watch out guys, logic and factual information don't work on this one.

So you are saying that everyone who believes in creationism is an idiot. That's retarded.

Only if those people try and pass it off as fact, considering it has no evidence or theory to support it.

 

[Krauq]

Let me respond to the OP, then.

1. That's just idiotic to say. It obviously teaches you things, you even said so in your response to me.
2. That's why there are creationists, scientists that believe in creation. Obviously not science.
3. Is there any proof of this?
4. And evolution doesn't. Ok...
5. Once again, just wrong.

1. It teaches you things that aren't true.
2. It is claimed to be science, the people who support it call it creation science.
3. Radioactive dating.
4. Okay.
5. It's not science or educational material because it doesn't follow the scientific method nor does it meet the requirements of educational standards.

 

[Chibiusa]

So you are saying that everyone who believes in creationism is an idiot. That's retarded.

Instead of picking at one phrase, why not respond to the whole post?

 

[Krauq]

The basis of the Darwinian theory of evolution is

Complex integrated information can arise from random copying errors and deletions (natural selection)

Ask a PC programmer to create an 8GB Windows 7 or ANY program of similar size and complexity from a 1MB program with nothing but random copying errors, deletions. he will LAUGH AT YOU

This theory is foolishness to the highest degree. the out spoken proponents of Darwinian evolution will look like COMPLETE intellectual dunces 50 years from now

>Complex integrated information can arise from random copying errors and deletions (natural selection)

Yes, it has been observed before but it is not random and they are not always copying errors. Look up causes of mutations. Sometimes an organism will mutate so he can adapt to the environment. However evolution isn't always that fast depending on the species, like dinosaurs couldn't just say "Oh no! The environment is changing! We need to mutate!" They just don't suddenly evolve wings and fly. Since dinosaurs were larger, they couldn't evolve fast enough to survive. The environment might pressure the organism to mutate. Natural selection isn't the only "tool" of biological evolution.

 

[Krauq]

Wow. I'm really surprised that 6 people voted for Creationism...

 

[Yusuke Urameshi]

1. It teaches you things that aren't true.
2. It is claimed to be science, the people who support it call it creation science.
3. Radioactive dating.
4. Okay.
5. It's not science or educational material because it doesn't follow the scientific method nor does it meet the requirements of educational standards.

1. If that's what you believe, or don't believe, it's still educating you on something you think is false. Being smarter about something isn't a bad thing.
2. Yes.
3. And carbon dating, blah blah blah. But, assuming there's a God, did he create the Earth with age? Were Adam and Eve created as babies? Well, I strongly believe that God created the world with age, which would throw off man's attempt to date something that can't be dated. My two cents, though.
4. Okay.
5. Educational - intended or serving to educate or enlighten. Even if something's wrong, you're still being educated about said subject. If material educates you, I think it's fair to call it education material.

 

[Vincent Pryce]

Instead of picking at one phrase, why not respond to the whole post?

Hmm.. I just did read your whole post. I have nothing to say now.

Wow. I'm really surprised that 6 people voted for Creationism...

Make that 7.


Muhahhaha

 

[King Of Crows]

1. If that's what you believe, or don't believe, it's still educating you on something you think is false. Being smarter about something isn't a bad thing.
2. Yes.
3. And carbon dating, blah blah blah. But, assuming there's a God, did he create the Earth with age? Were Adam and Eve created as babies? Well, I strongly believe that God created the world with age, which would throw off man's attempt to date something that can't be dated. My two cents, though.
4. Okay.
5. Educational - intended or serving to educate or enlighten. Even if something's wrong, you're still being educated about said subject. If material educates you, I think it's fair to call it education material.

1. According to that logic you are saying we should all be taught false information on the basis that we know it is false information ...... Why not just learn the right stuff first XD !?

2. Yes/No/Banana

3. Responding with "blah blah blah", doesn't help your case at all. If you want to show your side of the argument, then provide proof, or reasoning instead of disrespect. What you said about god creating the world with age would have been true were it not for the fact we know when the earth was created. Even when then universe was created using BBT.

4. Okay

5. People would be better off if they were being taught the right things, then they should be free to learn whatever they want.

 

[Krauq]

1. If that's what you believe, or don't believe, it's still educating you on something you think is false. Being smarter about something isn't a bad thing.
2. Yes.
3. And carbon dating, blah blah blah. But, assuming there's a God, did he create the Earth with age? Were Adam and Eve created as babies? Well, I strongly believe that God created the world with age, which would throw off man's attempt to date something that can't be dated. My two cents, though.
4. Okay.
5. Educational - intended or serving to educate or enlighten. Even if something's wrong, you're still being educated about said subject. If material educates you, I think it's fair to call it education material.

1. Scientifically it isn't true.
2. Okay you believe that.
3. Why can't they just learn about it at home? Is that so hard? It could be taught in schools, but what would they learn from it? They can learn about it in mythology classes but please not in the science and history or main core classes. What's the point of teaching it at all? What does it give to the children?

 

[Anorien16]

I didn't remember my teacher teaching creationism, all i remeber is the bunch of brainwashing with their darwinism.

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The teachings of private schools arent slways good. My local news station recently ran a segment about a private school here. They gave an example of a test given to students. It was shit like:

Humans lived with dinosaurs. True or False
What were the names of the first two humans?
What is the history book of the universe? (Answer was bible)

The pic of the quiz went viral -_- idiots always embarrassing our state

The above? /\/\/\/\/\

 

[King Of Crows]

1. Scientifically it isn't true.
2. Okay you believe that.
3. Why can't they just learn about it at home? Is that so hard? It could be taught in schools, but what would they learn from it? They can learn about it in mythology classes but please not in the science and history or main core classes. What's the point of teaching it at all? What does it give to the children?

I agree with this. Creationism if just the mythologic background of Christianity on how the universe got started. It is no different than Greek mythology or Egytian, in the sense that they all have no scientific proof at all.

P.S I'm not an Atheist

 

[Dreckerplayer]

They can learn about it at home. But when it's in the classroom and you talk about it you're infecting other people with your beliefs. In the classroom you're supposed to get EDUCATED. You can learn about it at home.

In my opinion, people should learn at home, period. Because people, in general, effect your learning. You learn faster through solitude, since there aren't any impudent children distracting/influencing you.

Public school systems are FAILING.Sooner or later, we'll start learning everything through computers, and I guarantee you, it'll be more effective!

Edit: Although the social interaction thing will be an issue...but I rather be a socially awkward genius than extrovert moron. But all it'll take is a simple walk to the playground and interacting with kids...not a big deal.

 

[Yusuke Urameshi]

1. According to that logic you are saying we should all be taught false information on the basis that we know it is false information ...... Why not just learn the right stuff first XD !?

2. Yes/No/Banana

3. Responding with "blah blah blah", doesn't help your case at all. If you want to show your side of the argument, then provide proof, or reasoning instead of disrespect. What you said about god creating the world with age would have been true were it not for the fact we know when the earth was created. Even when then universe was created using BBT.

4. Okay

5. People would be better off if they were being taught the right things, then they should be free to learn whatever they want.

I'm just going to respond to #3. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to offend or disrespect by adding the "blah blah blah".

I'm not arguing when the universe or Earth was created. I'm saying that the Earth was created with age. For example, a rock that was carbon dated is 2 million years old. Really, it's only 6000 years old, but God created it with age, making it, by man's attempt at dating it, 2 million years old. That's my point. Hopefully it's understandable to not just myself.

 

[Krauq]

Well:

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Oh god why......

 

[Yusuke Urameshi]

Well:

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I can do nothing but laugh at the very last question. lol