Finally it is over. Time to see how a real villain battles.
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Well, i'm not sure about Pein having algae problems (maybe Zetsu) since that is what phycology focuses on but I am glad this is over and done with. ;o)Hi guys. As you know the new chapter is over. Overral the Pain arc was good however with shitty start and end. Nagato was not a true a villain but a kid with phycological problems in need of a hugp).
Opinions?
I would imagine that Kishi will return to more familiar storylines in order to balance out the new material he just dished out. Maybe spend an episode with Naruto getting some Smoochie No Jutsu with Hinata-san.
All in all, we have:
1) Madara
2) Kabutorichimaru
3) Sasquatch
4) Danzo
5) 8-tails (maybe a battle but then friendship/respect ensues)
...in terms of villain stories to reconcile.
I hope we don't have to deal with too much meaningless drivel.
Oh, and for the record...i just re-watched the Naruto episodes from 1-90 this past weekend and let's just say I HATE SAKURA! That little weasel kept beating down Naruto who saved her sorry, ungrateful billboard-head over and over again.
the sharingan cant be proved to be stonger than the rinnengan either... i agree with griemIf you post something sensible then i will not flame you. If you post things like the one i quoted just down then prepare for flame...
Like you can prove me wrong
@smid i will answer to you later...
and according to the manga the rinnengan is stonger
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well guys many wonder if sharingan is more powerful than reningan but the answer is no..
sharingan has only limited abilities and ms and ems can harm the person who is using it which means the sharingan is flawed in one way or the other ..but Reningan on the other hand is flawless .
If we remember the most powerful techniques of MS sharingan are 1.tsukyomi 2.amatarasu and 3.Susano .It does have few other techniques up its sleeve like madara's space time jitsu and kakashi's dimensional jitsu.
now if we examine the reningan how ever ,it posses massive jitsus ..clasic example gravity control remember it made even gamabuta along with 2 other giant frogs to appear very puny before him deflecting even rasen shrinkun ,kashi's new lightning jitsu, life and death control ...the statue which can absorb the life of any one in an instant even the the life force of tailed beast ,summoning n number of beasts at once ,ghost realm again similar to tht life and death jitsu where he used against shizune ,elemental jitsu's and pain's ultimate defense .A person who can control life and death is the strongest compared to a person with ms or ems .
just think tsukyomi against pain..he just needs to close his eyes ..the other 6 pains can finish the job.
amatarasu vs pain..it can do damage only if it comes in contact with the opponent..sasuke was able to escape it .kashi's new lightning techinque, naruto's rasen shirunken was deflected so easily by pain ,so why not amatarasu or even sasuke's kiren .
finally susano vs pain ..susano is a spiritual being .I don't think susano is tht powerful as the tailed beasts ...if pain can seal the spirits of tailed beasts and spirits of other then why not susano
we haven't seen a fight between madara or pain ,so we can't say if pain is powerful or madara is powerful .We all know that madara got defeated by the first hokage and pain didn't get defeated by any one so far,even naruto won using his takino jitsu .Pain made the entire village of konoha appear nothing more than his play toy .Pain obeyed madara's orders because madara is aware of nagato but it is clear in his attitude that he doesn't fear madara .his motive is completely different from that of madara .Madara is powerful but is he tht powerful than pain? may be but only the upsoming capters will say but reingan is more powerful than saringan..Reningan is considered as god's weapon
sharingan has only limited abilities and ms and ems can harm the person who is using it which means the sharingan is flawed in one way or the other ..but Reningan on the other hand is flawless .
If we remember the most powerful techniques of MS sharingan are 1.tsukyomi 2.amatarasu and 3.Susano .It does have few other techniques up its sleeve like madara's space time jitsu and kakashi's dimensional jitsu.
now if we examine the reningan how ever ,it posses massive jitsus ..clasic example gravity control remember it made even gamabuta along with 2 other giant frogs to appear very puny before him deflecting even rasen shrinkun ,kashi's new lightning jitsu, life and death control ...the statue which can absorb the life of any one in an instant even the the life force of tailed beast ,summoning n number of beasts at once ,ghost realm again similar to tht life and death jitsu where he used against shizune ,elemental jitsu's and pain's ultimate defense .A person who can control life and death is the strongest compared to a person with ms or ems .
just think tsukyomi against pain..he just needs to close his eyes ..the other 6 pains can finish the job.
amatarasu vs pain..it can do damage only if it comes in contact with the opponent..sasuke was able to escape it .kashi's new lightning techinque, naruto's rasen shirunken was deflected so easily by pain ,so why not amatarasu or even sasuke's kiren .
finally susano vs pain ..susano is a spiritual being .I don't think susano is tht powerful as the tailed beasts ...if pain can seal the spirits of tailed beasts and spirits of other then why not susano
we haven't seen a fight between madara or pain ,so we can't say if pain is powerful or madara is powerful .We all know that madara got defeated by the first hokage and pain didn't get defeated by any one so far,even naruto won using his takino jitsu .Pain made the entire village of konoha appear nothing more than his play toy .Pain obeyed madara's orders because madara is aware of nagato but it is clear in his attitude that he doesn't fear madara .his motive is completely different from that of madara .Madara is powerful but is he tht powerful than pain? may be but only the upsoming capters will say but reingan is more powerful than saringan..Reningan is considered as god's weapon
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I think he was thinking of Ino.
But I don't think Ino would be able to defeat Hidan either. If she were to possess Shikamaru its true she would be able to use his abilities, but she would still be missing his most important ability, his strategic planning. Ino wouldn't be able to come up with the complex strategies that Shikamaru could, and would most likely get both her and Shikamaru killed.
But I don't think Ino would be able to defeat Hidan either. If she were to possess Shikamaru its true she would be able to use his abilities, but she would still be missing his most important ability, his strategic planning. Ino wouldn't be able to come up with the complex strategies that Shikamaru could, and would most likely get both her and Shikamaru killed.
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Hi Guys
Im not going to get into this debate as I dont want to hurt certain peoples dreams.
All I have to say is that one must not confuse Uchiha fanboyism with facts, and that it could lead to clouded judgment where the ultimate result be that of superior face-palming.
The deprived victims will first need to understand that to continue with their statements is a complete fallacy and it will only result in fanboyish dreams being shattered. This will have further consequences to the victims as he will experience a complete mental breakdown of his fanboyish dreams that have been taken away from him. Also, you will find that normally this sort of behavior gets followed through to their social life, where one will experience these symptoms by having a legit debate.
The reprobated mind will not have the ability to understand its only fallacies and as a result will continue to engage in less than fruitful discussion with is companions to an extended that he will not be accepted in the social society that you find on this forum. We must correct this problem before the symptoms are distributed and further action will result in other consequences as warnings, which could lead to infractions, and also lead to banning. But we have yet to prove these assumptions.
Until then we must destroy this fanboyish incoherences as this could continue until the end of Naruto.
Farewell.
Im not going to get into this debate as I dont want to hurt certain peoples dreams.
All I have to say is that one must not confuse Uchiha fanboyism with facts, and that it could lead to clouded judgment where the ultimate result be that of superior face-palming.
The deprived victims will first need to understand that to continue with their statements is a complete fallacy and it will only result in fanboyish dreams being shattered. This will have further consequences to the victims as he will experience a complete mental breakdown of his fanboyish dreams that have been taken away from him. Also, you will find that normally this sort of behavior gets followed through to their social life, where one will experience these symptoms by having a legit debate.
The reprobated mind will not have the ability to understand its only fallacies and as a result will continue to engage in less than fruitful discussion with is companions to an extended that he will not be accepted in the social society that you find on this forum. We must correct this problem before the symptoms are distributed and further action will result in other consequences as warnings, which could lead to infractions, and also lead to banning. But we have yet to prove these assumptions.
Until then we must destroy this fanboyish incoherences as this could continue until the end of Naruto.
Farewell.
Just a drive by post:
Your argument makes no sence and no, actually I am not wrong.
Temati cannot use Shikamru. Shikamaru is not Temari's personal jutsu or weapon or her kekki genki(sp?). If, he is with her then it would mean the euation is:
Shikamaru + Temari > Hidan.
Simple as that. Good luck for your exams.
@Zumarikato:
ROFL.
Word.
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HiddenShadowNinja
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Ok people, enough is enough.
The point of this thread isn't if Rinnengan or Sharingan is better.
The point is what qualifiys as a "real villian".
My opinion. Pain was not a "real villian". Before anyone starts flaming, let me explain.
The only reason I say this is because of his motives. Overall, he wanted peace. This was just the only way he came up with to get there. In the end, his mind was changed by Naruto, making him basically good at his core. It was an "End justifies the means" situation with Pain. Had his objective not been peace, if it were destruction, domination, or any other completely selfish purpose, Pain would've made a great "real villian".
As well, I do not consider either Sasuke or Kabuto a "real villian".
I'll start with Kabuto.
While yes, he is apparently "evil" he's not much on his own. He's inferior to Orochimaru, and does'nt do much without Oro's orders, making Orochimaru the "real villian" of that team. Now, if Kabuto steps it up a bit in his next appearance my opinion may change, however with the skill levels we have seen from him....hes no real threat to most main characters. Therefore not qualifiying as a "real villian".
Now on to Sasuke. I realize that this topic is highly controversial and my opinion does not follow the crowd on this one, so please do not feel the need to flame my opinion. I know many disagree.
In my opinion, I don't think Sasuke is even a "villian" at all. I believe he is and always was a "good guy". I've not see anything in the manga so far to prove he is a villian.
I believe that yes he did want his revenge on Itachi (I don't think anyone disagrees on that), but I believe that everything he did up to the point where he killed Itachi was to both, help him achieve that goal, and help Konoha.
I think Sasuke was doing basically the same thing as Itachi from the time he left the village. Everything he did was to help Konoha. Think about it....
1) He knows he is wanted by Orochimaru (the biggest threat to Konoha at that time) so he goes with him. This gives him the opportunity to both gain enough power to kill Itachi, and take out an enemy of Konoha (Orochimaru)
2) Then he continues on to kill Itachi, getting his revenge and again, taking out yet another (assumed) enemy of Konoha.
3) After that, he is taken by Tobi. I believe that his reactions to the truth behind Itachi show that he was doing the same thing. He was that upset because he killed someone doing the exact same thing he was doing, and, it was his brother.
4) He is then wanted by Tobi (A member of Akatsuki, and thereby an enemy of Konoha). So he goes along with this act as well, infiltrating Akatsuki and waiting for an opportunity to turn on Tobi and any other remaining Akatsuki members.
5) As for him going to "destroy Konoha" now, he's really going after the elders, who ordered the attack on the Uchihas, so he yet again wants revenge, for good reason. But in taking out the elders, he'll take out Danzou, who is plotting the takeover of Konoha...which makes Danzou also an enemy of Konoha.
So far he has not done much to be considered a "villian".
I know one of replies people will come up with is "OMG WTF, are you serious!!! LOL, Sasuke's not a villian!!?? He tried to kill Naruto multiple times"
So I'll address this now as well.
I do think that during the fight at the valley of the end Sasuke was trying to kill Naruto....up to the point where he falcon dropped him and really thought he was dead. I think once he had thought Naruto was dead he had horrible guilt (by his reaction). Then, once he saw Naruto was alive, and FINALLY found out that Naruto is the 9-tails host, he knew he had to continue the fight at that point, but no longer wanted to kill Naruto. He just wanted to beat him so he could get away and continue trying to help Konoha from inside the enemies organizations. (Hence why he did not kill Naruto after the curse-mark chidori VS. fox-power rasengan)
After that moment, he no longer had to worry about anything he did to Naruto because he knew the fox would protect him. So he put on the show of trying to kill Naruto at Oro's hideout, to keep Oro's trust.
I think I've said enough for now lol, if you disagree please do so respectfully.
The point of this thread isn't if Rinnengan or Sharingan is better.
The point is what qualifiys as a "real villian".
My opinion. Pain was not a "real villian". Before anyone starts flaming, let me explain.
The only reason I say this is because of his motives. Overall, he wanted peace. This was just the only way he came up with to get there. In the end, his mind was changed by Naruto, making him basically good at his core. It was an "End justifies the means" situation with Pain. Had his objective not been peace, if it were destruction, domination, or any other completely selfish purpose, Pain would've made a great "real villian".
As well, I do not consider either Sasuke or Kabuto a "real villian".
I'll start with Kabuto.
While yes, he is apparently "evil" he's not much on his own. He's inferior to Orochimaru, and does'nt do much without Oro's orders, making Orochimaru the "real villian" of that team. Now, if Kabuto steps it up a bit in his next appearance my opinion may change, however with the skill levels we have seen from him....hes no real threat to most main characters. Therefore not qualifiying as a "real villian".
Now on to Sasuke. I realize that this topic is highly controversial and my opinion does not follow the crowd on this one, so please do not feel the need to flame my opinion. I know many disagree.
In my opinion, I don't think Sasuke is even a "villian" at all. I believe he is and always was a "good guy". I've not see anything in the manga so far to prove he is a villian.
I believe that yes he did want his revenge on Itachi (I don't think anyone disagrees on that), but I believe that everything he did up to the point where he killed Itachi was to both, help him achieve that goal, and help Konoha.
I think Sasuke was doing basically the same thing as Itachi from the time he left the village. Everything he did was to help Konoha. Think about it....
1) He knows he is wanted by Orochimaru (the biggest threat to Konoha at that time) so he goes with him. This gives him the opportunity to both gain enough power to kill Itachi, and take out an enemy of Konoha (Orochimaru)
2) Then he continues on to kill Itachi, getting his revenge and again, taking out yet another (assumed) enemy of Konoha.
3) After that, he is taken by Tobi. I believe that his reactions to the truth behind Itachi show that he was doing the same thing. He was that upset because he killed someone doing the exact same thing he was doing, and, it was his brother.
4) He is then wanted by Tobi (A member of Akatsuki, and thereby an enemy of Konoha). So he goes along with this act as well, infiltrating Akatsuki and waiting for an opportunity to turn on Tobi and any other remaining Akatsuki members.
5) As for him going to "destroy Konoha" now, he's really going after the elders, who ordered the attack on the Uchihas, so he yet again wants revenge, for good reason. But in taking out the elders, he'll take out Danzou, who is plotting the takeover of Konoha...which makes Danzou also an enemy of Konoha.
So far he has not done much to be considered a "villian".
I know one of replies people will come up with is "OMG WTF, are you serious!!! LOL, Sasuke's not a villian!!?? He tried to kill Naruto multiple times"
So I'll address this now as well.
I do think that during the fight at the valley of the end Sasuke was trying to kill Naruto....up to the point where he falcon dropped him and really thought he was dead. I think once he had thought Naruto was dead he had horrible guilt (by his reaction). Then, once he saw Naruto was alive, and FINALLY found out that Naruto is the 9-tails host, he knew he had to continue the fight at that point, but no longer wanted to kill Naruto. He just wanted to beat him so he could get away and continue trying to help Konoha from inside the enemies organizations. (Hence why he did not kill Naruto after the curse-mark chidori VS. fox-power rasengan)
After that moment, he no longer had to worry about anything he did to Naruto because he knew the fox would protect him. So he put on the show of trying to kill Naruto at Oro's hideout, to keep Oro's trust.
I think I've said enough for now lol, if you disagree please do so respectfully.
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