All of the 3 techs have a real bad side effect, wearing out the user like hell, few of rinnegans techs have that too, but no forcing them down to their knees. Ameterasu can be absorbed by fatpain.
Finally it is over. Time to see how a real villain battles.
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Kakashi has a sharingan, remember Deidara(clay man) saying that kakashi has mastered the sharingan to itatchi`s lvl ?
so that means kakashi is a strong sharingan user.
kakashi got bashed around by pain with rinnegan, yet you still say that the sharingan is stronger then the rinnegan ?? *confused*
so that means kakashi is a strong sharingan user.
kakashi got bashed around by pain with rinnegan, yet you still say that the sharingan is stronger then the rinnegan ?? *confused*
MS genjutsu only effects the ones who look into the users eye, or one target that itachi points at, and while itachi is using genjutsu at that target, he's defenseless, meaning that he can be attacked by any of the other pains..
Susanoo, pain can just run away or use chibaku tensei to trap him inside the moon till he deactivates susanoo, or dies from chakra exhaustion.
Susanoo, pain can just run away or use chibaku tensei to trap him inside the moon till he deactivates susanoo, or dies from chakra exhaustion.
If you post something sensible then i will not flame you. If you post things like the one i quoted just down then prepare for flame...
Like you can prove me wrongIt's quite irritating reading all of his posts trying to flame people by thinking he's right, so I'm not gonna bother either
.@smid i will answer to you later...
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Why must you flame people you don't agree with? You will get a bad reputation around here and every time you try to make a point, you will get flamed.If you post something sensible then i will not flame you. If you post things like the one i quoted just down then prepare for flame...
Like you can prove me wrong
@smid i will answer to you later...
Having a disagreement, imo, is better than having an argument.
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Peace, your logic goes both ways
Show me a page that a sharingan user killed Nagato with MS or EMS.
If im not allowed to say rinnegan is stronger because pain hasnt killed a sharingan user then YOURE NOT ALLOWED TO SAY A SHARINGAN USER CAN KILL A RINNEGAN USER.
Also if you dont understand how Jmans explanation of how rinnegan is the most powerful and divine doujutsu means its better than sharingan, then i suggest reading classes, it is quite obvious.
It doesnt matter who itachi wanted to kill, he admitted he needed help from tobi to kill the uchiha clan, meaning itachi cant take out konoha village by himself-pain did, taking on kakashi, a hokage level ninja (considering tsunade and jiraiya said he'd be next in line) the hokage herself, many Jounin, and last but not least he fought against sage naruto equally and even destroyed 6-8 tails with chibaku tensei and only when naruto gave up and all 9 tails released did it break through chibaku tensei.
Pain can bring his bodies back to life umpteen times if destroyed in battle.
Nagato killed hanzou, who even the 3 sanning TOGETHER couldnt defeat.
Nagato/Pain is the 3rd strongest ninja ever.
Madara/Itachi being joint 1st
While both have the sharingan, i feel the sharingan isnt actually what gives them their strength.
The only reason itachi is joint 1st is because of yatas mirror and totsuka.
Both of which dont come with susanou, he just equipped susanou with them legendary weapons-the summon itself is powerful but without totsuka and yatas mirror it really doesnt amount to much.
Also, and you stated this to me
IT IS SPECULATION as to whether madaras strengths come from his sharingan, his ability to not get attacked isnt nessecarily a doujutsu, it may simply be a jutsu he created himself which people WITHOUT sharingan can do, until we know more, it is pure speculation.
Sasuke is not a real villain.
Itachi planned for him to win
8tails tricked him and owned him and killed him repeatedly for everyone to save him
He even had his chest blown to pieces against 8tails lol.
sasukes only real win was against deidara, every other opponent hes either lost against or won through special circumstances
(itachi made him win, 8tails wanted to spy on akatsuki so pretended to be KO'd and disguised himself as a tentacle, orochimaru was on his death bed 5 minutes from death)
His only real win was deidara, and even then deidara put up a decent fight against him and sasuke almost got killed and was a close call at the end.
sasukes new MS technique also didnt even affect 8tails, 8tails dispelled it, thats how much sasuke sucks, his MS techniques can be dispelled and dodged.
And hes an emo fag.
I simply vice versa the situation.
Show me a page that a sharingan user killed Nagato with MS or EMS.
If im not allowed to say rinnegan is stronger because pain hasnt killed a sharingan user then YOURE NOT ALLOWED TO SAY A SHARINGAN USER CAN KILL A RINNEGAN USER.
Also if you dont understand how Jmans explanation of how rinnegan is the most powerful and divine doujutsu means its better than sharingan, then i suggest reading classes, it is quite obvious.
It doesnt matter who itachi wanted to kill, he admitted he needed help from tobi to kill the uchiha clan, meaning itachi cant take out konoha village by himself-pain did, taking on kakashi, a hokage level ninja (considering tsunade and jiraiya said he'd be next in line) the hokage herself, many Jounin, and last but not least he fought against sage naruto equally and even destroyed 6-8 tails with chibaku tensei and only when naruto gave up and all 9 tails released did it break through chibaku tensei.
Pain can bring his bodies back to life umpteen times if destroyed in battle.
Nagato killed hanzou, who even the 3 sanning TOGETHER couldnt defeat.
Nagato/Pain is the 3rd strongest ninja ever.
Madara/Itachi being joint 1st
While both have the sharingan, i feel the sharingan isnt actually what gives them their strength.
The only reason itachi is joint 1st is because of yatas mirror and totsuka.
Both of which dont come with susanou, he just equipped susanou with them legendary weapons-the summon itself is powerful but without totsuka and yatas mirror it really doesnt amount to much.
Also, and you stated this to me
IT IS SPECULATION as to whether madaras strengths come from his sharingan, his ability to not get attacked isnt nessecarily a doujutsu, it may simply be a jutsu he created himself which people WITHOUT sharingan can do, until we know more, it is pure speculation.
Sasuke is not a real villain.
Itachi planned for him to win
8tails tricked him and owned him and killed him repeatedly for everyone to save him
He even had his chest blown to pieces against 8tails lol.
sasukes only real win was against deidara, every other opponent hes either lost against or won through special circumstances
(itachi made him win, 8tails wanted to spy on akatsuki so pretended to be KO'd and disguised himself as a tentacle, orochimaru was on his death bed 5 minutes from death)
His only real win was deidara, and even then deidara put up a decent fight against him and sasuke almost got killed and was a close call at the end.
sasukes new MS technique also didnt even affect 8tails, 8tails dispelled it, thats how much sasuke sucks, his MS techniques can be dispelled and dodged.
And hes an emo fag.
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The only reason nagato took orders from madara was bcaus madara had like 80 years of experience more than nagato, so madara knew better, same goes for sakura, sakura is more intellegent than naruto, thats why he lets her be boss..
Every fight, nagato held back, except for when fighting against hanzo in the past and jirayia ( maybe he held back since he had to start heading out for konoha and didnt want to use much chakra), when he was fighting in the past with hanzo, he didnt have much experience with rinnegan, and he still owned him... you cant decide how strong rinnegan is by watching the fight between naruto and pains, since many of nagatos techs are way too strong for naruto and could have killed him instantly, so he held back since he had to keep him alive.
Every fight, nagato held back, except for when fighting against hanzo in the past and jirayia ( maybe he held back since he had to start heading out for konoha and didnt want to use much chakra), when he was fighting in the past with hanzo, he didnt have much experience with rinnegan, and he still owned him... you cant decide how strong rinnegan is by watching the fight between naruto and pains, since many of nagatos techs are way too strong for naruto and could have killed him instantly, so he held back since he had to keep him alive.
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dont you mean that if he posts something that agrees with you, you wont flame him?? haha and wtf dude "like you can prove me wrong" dude do you think your god??? how can you immediately dismiss someones opinion when they havent even given it yet??? and have you noticed that you are the only person in this thread who has agreed with your opinion??? i think there is something to be said about that, we all read the manga, yourself included, and yet everyone on this thread but you agrees with each other about this particular topic, you r the only person that does not agree with us, so i say to you, like you could prove us wrong -rolls eyes-If you post something sensible then i will not flame you. If you post things like the one i quoted just down then prepare for flame...
Like you can prove me wrong
@smid i will answer to you later...
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Hi guys. As you know the new chapter is over. Overral the Pain arc was good however with shitty start and end. Nagato was not a true a villain but a kid with phycological problems in need of a hug
But what i liked in the new chapter is that we are going to see Sasuke!!! We are going to see the power of his mangekuy and what he is capale of now. I do not expect Sasuke being stronger than Naruto after Naruto getting so much Saiyan powers ups however that is why i believe Sasuke is going to use the eyes of his brother Itachi. Nevertheless, in the few next chapter we are going to see Madara's true face. This is probably going to happen when he learns about Nagato's strength.
But these are not the interesting aspects of the new arc. We are going to see a real villain and how he fights. We are going to see what being badass means. We are going to see the new improved Kabuto!!! Remember that Kabuto said that he was going to fight Sasuke? And now Sasuke is heading towards to Konoha. So this the best chance for him to engage the Uchiha prodigy and a chance for us to see a real fight, because Naruto once again won with the talk no jutsu as i have said in one of my other threads...
Opinions?
ok.. i aint sayin that rinnegan>ms or ms>rinnegan
but ur just bein funny about pain
why pains is a reall villian=
1 hes the leader of akatsuki.. even if hes controlled by madara
2 he pissed on j-man
3 he raped konoha
4 he+ hes organization almost got all the tailed beasts
ps: ur just a lil uchiha fanboy who is hatin on pain in this thread cause he got the only eyes which can be compared to ms/ems..
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ok.. i aint sayin that rinnegan>ms or ms>rinnegan
but ur just bein funny about pain
why pains is a reall villian=
1 hes the leader of akatsuki.. even if hes controlled by madara
2 he pissed on j-man
3 he raped konoha
4 he+ hes organization almost got all the tailed beasts
ps: ur just a lil uchiha fanboy who is hatin on pain in this thread cause he got the only eyes which can be compared to ms/ems..
Well I think it depends on who is the "real villain" for you. For me, the real villain is more like a last villain and that is definitaly not Pein. Pein, in my opinion, wasnt really somebody who could be considwered as a villain because well.. Naruto changed his mind and he turned good. He even wanted to help Naruto after ( as konan said ) but because of his chakra levels and that last jutsu he was unable to.
Yeah, he did a lot of bad things to both naruto and konoha but he didnt do it just for the sake of doing bad things. He had an idea to bring peace to the world and when he listened to what Naruto offered him, he agreed with Naruto and changed his mind and turned "good. But villains and again in my opinion, dont just change their minds so easily.
He can be compared to gaara: insanely powerful and crazy. But I really didnt think of Gaara as of a villain even at the time he was an antagonist.
In my opinion, the only villain for now is "Madara uchiha".
Dont get me wrong, I still think that Rinnegan > Sharingan. Simply because it is so and it is stated so in the manga. Madara is just how many ? 100+ years old and he could have mastered his techniques to an extend when even Rinnegan struggles to defeat him.
Sharingan fits a rogue ninja and Rinnegan - a god, that's all.
You cant do as much damage with sharingan as you can do with rinnegan. you cant control as much stuff and use as much S-class jutsu with sharingan as you can do with Rinnegan. But in a 1v1 fight, a cheap EMSjutsu can decide..
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haha alright well how bout Cherrypicking:
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you failed yet again to address all of the points i have made, choosing only to address one point, so please what do you have to say in regards to my other points??