Itachi, hero?

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EliteRamenNinja

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It doesn't matter if you do not agree ! It's his manga !!! Your opinion on what he does with his own manga is less than nothing !
If kishimoto states that his character is a hero through his unavoidable actions then there's nothing you can do to change that, fact.

Itachi: "In the end I only failed", his own words = in manga = fact = prove he is no hero = /your argument!

Goodbye, I will gladly destroy some more arguments tomorrow! ;) Cheerio! :cool:
 
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The fact that there is a big difference between both. A perfect soldier is not the same as a hero.



This is a discussion forum and I discuss this. I do not agree with Kishi on this!

Anyway, I am out, ready to sleep. I will comment further tomorrow.

It really just depends on your definition of a hero. To me, Itachi was a perfect shinobi who sacrificed his family and life for Konoha, and that makes him a hero. I liked the discussion.
 

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Itachi: "In the end I only failed", his own words = in manga = fact = prove he is no hero = /your argument!

Goodbye, I will gladly destroy some more arguments tomorrow! ;) Cheerio! :cool:

That doesn't prove he wasn't a hero. He's saying he failed, but he wasn't aiming to be a hero, in fact he doesn't describe himself as one at all. But through his actions, everyone else believes he is a hero in the manga.

At this point if you cannot comprehend these simple points im just going to assume you are beginning to troll since you disregard anything that disproves what you're saying -.- I'm done, goodnight all
 

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The normal Uchiha's were planning on a Coup. They planned on killing other Leaf village innocents. They were guilty of planing a crime. This is a crime in our real world.

The children were guilty of becoming future threats to the Leaf Village. This is a fact. If the Uchiha's had gone through with the Coup, they'd have been putting the childrens lives on the line anyway, they were doomed from the start. If Itachi let them live, they would've eventually learned the truth, and all that love and hate would've caused them to grow up and plan another Coup, or try to potentially 'solo' the Leaf. Then THEY'D be the ones killing other innocent people. They were guilty of becoming potential criminals. This isn't a crime in our world, but it is when you use common sense like Itachi.

The elderly were guilty of potential self harm. If they'd ever found out that their whole clan had been murdered and them left to live, they'd have killed themselves from a heartattack. He just saved them the time.

Nobody was innocent.
 

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Itachi's just another shinobi. He did his duty to his village, that's it.
 

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Take it or leave it.........ITACHI IS A HERO. Whatever he did was to protect the village at large.....(just kill a couple of fodders that think they can throw the village into an uproar).
Whatever thing he did was for a greater good.
 

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so killing his own mother _ innocent children + old women ( old people ) is ok and for protecting the villiage ?

if i use the logic itachi fanboys have then Danzo is a hero even if he killed and ordered itachi to kill the Uchiha because he wanted to protect the villiage ?

funny logic
 

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If you possessed even some rudimentary conceptualization of utilitarian ethics, you would understand. Manifestly, you do not. Regardless, according to the Manga Itachi is a hero. Do not forget Ōnoki's words about the person that ended the Edo Tensei. In addition, Kishi has portrayed Itachi even as an angel [a benevolent being]. You cannot argue with the Manga, so your inconsequential opinion will remain as such.


This is beautiful. Simply amazing.
 

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When a group of people plan to take over something which would then lead to the death of countless innocents (true innocents), then these people are not to be claimed as innocent.

We dont even know if there was any other young Uchiha in the clan other than Sasuke, the clan was small at that point, and we even saw how other childrens were reacting to seeing Sasuke in their class. An uchiha was at this point rare.

Either way, what i truly wanted to point out is how wrong you are in considering the uchiha innocent.

The descision of doing a coup detat was likely a descision the whole clan voted on. If some of the members didnt approve of the coup then they should have done something to prevent.

Them watching as the rest of the clan causes chaos and put people into danger then they are as guilty as the ones committing the crime.

The clan as well as the members who didnt vote for all doomed themselves one way or another by doing or not doing anything in the end.


To me Itachi is a hero.

Like you, many people see this situation as a quite ambiguous one. Itachi killing people for the greater good that is.

While i understand the point, i dont agree with it in the end as the clan wasnt all innocent.

Also because Itachi sacrificed himself in the process, to an extent that no one has ever possibly reached before.

Kishi himself through fugaku said that Itachi was too gentle to be a shinobi yet that gentleness turned out to be the reason why he had to live as a ninja.

He himself considered what he did to be 'not good', to the point where he wanted to die and be punished for it. This is where his heroism shines more than ever.

He was completly selfless, All he did was for the greater good, he never did anything for himself, never.

Putting Itachi and danzo in the same sentence is truly an insult. Because while danzo did want what was best for Konoha, he above all wanted konoha's best interest because he wanted to be at the head, thus sitting at the highest possible ground.


And when i see peole quoting Itachi's statement in being a failure to back up whatever statement they are trying to proove makes giggle a little inside?

What does having failed to SOME EXTENT have anything to do with him being a hero or not? The ending doesnt justify the actions.

No matter the result, Itachi did a hell of a lot to protect the shinobi world, and even in death.

And i did use FAIL TO AN EXTENT because in the end, Sasuke is on the way to the good side, and dont say this is only because of edo tensei as it was going to happen either way via Kotoamatsukami.

It didnt fail because his plan left no room for failure.


Itachi is a hero when it comes to the manga perspective, that is impossible to deny. As far as our own definition goes, i still feel he fits the profile but thats me.
 

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That doesn't prove he wasn't a hero. He's saying he failed, but he wasn't aiming to be a hero, in fact he doesn't describe himself as one at all. But through his actions, everyone else believes he is a hero in the manga.

At this point if you cannot comprehend these simple points im just going to assume you are beginning to troll since you disregard anything that disproves what you're saying -.- I'm done, goodnight all

With all respect, but are you actually serious? You are calling me a troll while I, without any difficulties, destroy each single one of your arguments.

You say "in the manga Kishi says Itachi is a hero, so deal with it", I say in the manga Itachi himself also said he only failed in the end.

The normal Uchiha's were planning on a Coup. They planned on killing other Leaf village innocents. They were guilty of planing a crime. This is a crime in our real world.
With other words, the next time when some terrorist from God knows where blows up something in the US, the US army has the right to kill the whole country of that terrorist, innocents too. So that the US is sure that there are 100% no terrorists left. This is actually what you are saying with your Itachi-logic!!!!!

Innocent people (kids and elders) died, they were no harm. They were no threat. At least not at that moment. A real hero should have tried something else.

Itachi's just another shinobi. He did his duty to his village, that's it.

Exactly my point. Still his fanboys keep saying he is a hero. Meeeh.

When a group of people plan to take over something which would then lead to the death of countless innocents (true innocents), then these people are not to be claimed as innocent.

So the children were ready to go for war? The elders were all Adolf Hitlers?

Give me a break.
 

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Hero:A person, typically a man, who is admired for courage or noble qualities

He's only a hero in the eyes of the few
 

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Hero:A person, typically a man, who is admired for courage or noble qualities

He's only a hero in the eyes of the few

He is a hero in the eyes of people who are blind for innocent deaths...

Itachi was a genius, a perfect soldier, someone who truly loved the Leaf. But he had, has and will always have the blood of innocent people on his hands.
 

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He is a hero in the eyes of people who are blind for innocent deaths...

Itachi was a genius, a perfect soldier, someone who truly loved the Leaf. But he had, has and will always have the blood of innocent people on his hands.

He had too, otherwise it wouldve led to a coup de tat which would destroy the leaf
 

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If you possessed even some rudimentary conceptualization of utilitarian ethics, you would understand. Manifestly, you do not. Regardless, according to the Manga Itachi is a hero. Do not forget Ōnoki's words about the person that ended the Edo Tensei. In addition, Kishi has portrayed Itachi even as an angel [a benevolent being]. You cannot argue with the Manga, so your inconsequential opinion will remain as such.


the sad thing is the OP don't even bother to quote your post......
 

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You can talk with such grammar all you want, if your argument is pointless and stupid, I don't even bother to react on it. Capiche?

there is an argument in his post, and his argument by no means at all pointless and stupid
why don't you try to refuted it ?
 

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I don't believe Itachi ever said he was a hero.
 

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there is an argument in his post, and his argument by no means at all pointless and stupid
why don't you try to refuted it ?
If you read the thread, you will notice I already did. This guy just said the same someone else did, just in better grammar.

He says 'it's in the manga so it's a fact', well, Itachi also said 'he only failed in the end' so that makes Itachi a failure? Indeed, just pointing out how lame this argument was.
 

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there is an argument in his post, and his argument by no means at all pointless and stupid
why don't you try to refuted it ?

I don't see why his thesaurus-glorified speech is supposed to give him special treatment.
He stated his opinion and said, "deal with it."
 

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Because he's the hero Konoha deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight
 
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