Itachi vs Shikamaru: Intelligence

[Bogard]

Lol at Itachi having analysed kamui perfectly. He never understood how the jutsu work. That's why his plan failed. It's manga canon. Shikamaru is better in battle strategy. I never even seen Itachi actually using a complicated strategy in battle. All what he has is great insight, that's all

 

[Nature Sage]

It depends on what's YOUR definition of battle smarts and general intelligence are. Itachi does excel in battle smarts, it's been proven over and over again. His perception and experience is what really enhanced his battle smarts. His sharingan is a tool, a ninja tool that can be used in many different ways. How you use that "tool" varies from person to person. Shikamaru has it as far as general intelligence. I do believe if given the chance Shikamaru would surpass Itachi in "certain" areas other than just general intelligence if given the opportunity and skill set. Also, tbh.. it's fun to debate but it gets tedious when people take it too personal. We're suppose to be sharing our perceptions with one another not taking it personal.

 

[Lilt]

So he wasn't made an effective proxy commander of the fourth division and didn't help to combat two of the biggest problems on their battlefront, kinkaku and ginkaku, and Asuma nor figured out that obito was goin to use the nine tails chakra from kinkaku and gingaku for the Gedos statue. That must also mean that he didn't create an effective way to keep everyone safe from any zetsu clones by drawing circles around everyone and staying in them til naruto came to help.

Do you believe Kakashi, Sasori, etc. couldn't deduce as much?

Now when the tentails came along, he wasn't the one to figure out that using bug jamming and hidden mist jutsu would keep the alliance hidden

That's what those two jutsu are designed to do, so I doubt he was the only one to figure out their use.

Now you try to change the point by bringing up all of itachis other skills when this discussion is strictly about intelligence only?

Intelligence is the substance used to attain a variety of skills.

Now I can tell you're desperate, pulling at straws to make sure that you're precious Itachi doesn't lose any face. (And since when does Itachi have any medical jutsu or sealing expertise? We don't know if he made the medicine that kept him alive, which is by the way HIGHLY unlikely

Aside from most likely creating his medicine, as his sickness was a closely guarded secret... Itachi transplanted Shisui's eye into a crow, and not only altered its system so it could sustain a Sharingan (something part on Kakashi couldn't do) but also permitted it to fire Mangekyō jutsu. Moreover, the sealing and triggering of Mangekyō traps in host vessels is a unique sealing invention that even Obito, with all of his vast knowledge inherited from Madara, didn't understand how it was accompished.

considering how much time it takes to be a medic nin

It took Sakura three years. Considering how untalented she is in comparison to Itachi, it's perfectly plausible.

You can also prove that Itachi could easily figure out this jutsu? How so? Hidan's Immortality and his ritual jutsu isn't exactly something that can be seen with the sharingan.(Another fine point on how Itachi relies on his sharingan while shikamaru only uses his brain.)

Itachi doesn't rely on his Sharingan, as he was considered the greatest genius the academy had ever seen before awakening his Sharingan. He graduated at age seven, and was said to never have to even be taught, but awoke his Sharingan at age eight. So right there, we know he excelled more than Shikaku at a young age. IQ being intelligence quotient. That is, the quotient of intelligence and age. Hence Itachi's IQ is superior to the Naras.

Okay, seriously? KAKASHI figured out Kamui, not Itachi.

This is a little know point, but the movie Kishimoto recently wrote had Itachi deduce Kamui much more quickly than any other ninja beforehand, and caused Obito to back off immediately. And since it was written by Kishimoto, it's a valid representation of his expectations of Itachi's deductive ability, which he already had Kabuto commentate on being nigh supernatural.

Kakashi also figured out rinnegan shared vision and rinnegan jutsu and if he could do it, then shikamaru, who was also considered to be on and higher kakashis intelligence level could do it too.

First, Shikamaru was considered Kakahsi's equal by Naruto, not his superior. Secondly, it took Kakashi much longer than it took Itachi to deduce and counter Rinnegan shared vision.

Itachi had to extract the infromation on how to stop Edo tensei from kabuto himself with a hypnosis jutsu.

Itachi intuitively deduced two different methods to counter Edo Tensei. The first was controlling him with genjutsu, which Obito had to ask Kabuto. However, Kabuto closed his eyes to prevent this method. So Itachi had a second method, which was using Izanami and then extracting the information with a mind-reading technique. These were solutions that neither Obito nor Hiruzen had deduced. The latter assumed Edo Tensei was un-counterable, and the former had to ask Kabuto.

Lets see now, without his sharingan, how would fare in a shurikenjutsu battle with tenten or a genjutsu battle with Kurenai? He would FAIL miserably. His sharingan is what grants him these abilities not his regular skills.

Not true. He practiced throwing shuriken with his eyes closed, and he curved the kunai into Rinnegan blindspots, etc. These are technical feats that have nothing to do with the Sharingan, nor does his vastly superior hand-moving (throwing) speed that Tenten has no chance against. Similarly, Shikaku said that Itachi was the only genjutsu user to take control of ninja from long range to affect a war, so again, that has nothing to do with the Sharingan and yet places Itachi on a much higher level than anything Kurenai has been implied to be capable of doing with genjutsu.

Shikamaru has an IQ over 200. If Itachi had anything even remotely close to that, then it would have been mentioned in the manga somewhere.

It was when Itachi was said to be the greatest genius the academy ever saw.

It was when Itachi was said to never had to be taught.

It was when Itachi was considered the greatest genius among a clan of geniuses.

It was when Itachi was stated to have Hiruzen's reasoning ability by age seven.

It was when Itachi was stated to be the only one to perceive Obito's presence in Konoha.

It was when Itachi was stated to ceaselessly amaze Obito.

It was when Itachi was such an advanced learner that he humbled a Sannin at age 11.

It was when Itachi located legendary items that Orochimaru/Madara could not find.

It was when Itachi was stated to possess perception surpassing all dōjutsu users.

It was when Itachi has outlier accomplishments/inventions in every ninja art.

Let's compare that to the hollow bragging about IQ scores, shall we?

 

[Lilt]

Lol at Itachi having analysed kamui perfectly. He never understood how the jutsu work. That's why his plan failed. It's manga canon. Shikamaru is better in battle strategy. I never even seen Itachi actually using a complicated strategy in battle. All what he has is great insight, that's all

I know you're probably not going to accept this, but the plan's failure was not from misunderstanding Kamui.

Itachi designed his sealing jutsu to activate on Obito's eye.

Sasuke shifted his gaze at the last moment and hit Obito's shoulder.

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If not for dumb luck, Obito would have lost Kamui from the trap, if not his life.

 

[closecombat22]

You cant use logic when your talking to a uch fan it like talking to a baby =d

 

[Draegod]

Shika was never "taught" to be a genius! It came natural to him! Hell he never even likes to use his smarts ever!!! lol

Shika is clearly the overall smarter one, but itachi isnt far behind in the battle smart department.

Itachi best "smart accomplishment " could be the nagato fight!

In that fight he sat back and watch Bee and naruto make mistakes before figuring nagatos eye secret. And thanks to narutos last battle with Pain he was able to come with a simple plan to destroy early CB. To be honest that was a pretty obv choice of plan. Even 6 tails naruto had that plan in mind but failed because lack of power on his end.

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So in actuality that plan was "good" to a near dumb naruto (at times) and a rapping Bee (itsnt the brightest, but he would of did the same thing tbh eventually).

Then we have his hype before hand.

Itachi has been shown to study at a early age:

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While shika on the other hand never did anything what so ever!!! He hated hard work!!! PERIOD!!!

Lets take a look at all of Itachis plans he "planned":

Sasuke; that failed horribly, sasuke became a threat to the world!!!
Killing Tobi; Fail, because he didnt know about Kamui nore had the means to stop Kamui. And he assumed a ninja like tobi wouldnt have IZANAGI!!! Lets say Amateratsu did/would work. A ninja like itachi should of took into account that a Head uchiha (presumed to be madara) would have Ama':

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Koto catching sasuke; This one wasnt his fault so ill let it slide
Stopping Edo tensei; Madara still running shit! And he assumed stopping madara would end the war, but failed to realize Tobi was the ninja with the juubi... Major fail!


All in all he has failed through out the manga. But it isnt all his fault per say. He just wasnt as smart as ppl made him seem:

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Even he realize he has failed in general! But he is humble enough to know his limits.. Why cant his fans?...


SO in general Shika! Especially if they were the same age!

 

[Owarij]

Draegod -You're spewing hate

According to tobi Itachi planned his fight with Sasuke down to the last moment perfectly.. even taking into consideration the white snake rebirth jutsu he would have received from absorbing orochimaru - success

he used hate to make Sasuke become stronger - success

Post mortem amaterasu trap to kill obito, fail, but ONLY because orochimaru kept things hidden from him... Not even shikimaru can predict the unpredictable , And i'm bolding that part, because i'll come back to it...

You seem to be downing on Itachi's failure but you you don't realize, that planning out the future is impossible for most , as there is NO WAY to fully predict what will happen... not shikimaru, not shikakku or anyone can do such a thing.. shikimaru can plan out a fight..yes, he can come up with a brilliant strategy.. but even Obito stated.. "I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW FAR HE PLANS AHEAD.."

even after the amaterasu trap failed, Itachi still had the kotoamatsuki as backup.. meaning he PREPARED for a failure on that part, given that he knew he didn't have full knowledge of tobi... .Yet once again, the UNPREDICTABLE happened, and he was revived by edo tensei..... Long story short.. Itachi's plans would have worked had situations been different.. noone could have done any better...



PS- Tobi never used izanagi to escape amaterasu ...The databook specifically hints that it was just his normal Kamui used to escape the flames

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Which leaves two things... Either Itachi didn't know tobi had Kamui, which is the most likely, considering tob's words right after... "Luckily, I managed to keep a few secrets from Itachi, otherwise I'd be dead"...

Or, the theory that amaterasu was supposed to hit his eye, thus making him unable to kamui is true...
Either way.. Itachi's plan was SPOT on given his limited knowledge..

One again, back to the theme of my post.. Noone an predict the unpredictable... tobi recognized that and praised itachi for what he did regardless. and even then after being so amazed, he still was not aware that Itachi planned even further ahead(with KA)....

You take Itachi's modesty too seriously.. as stated in the manga he is a genius above geniuses... and Orochimaru, Kabuto and Kakashi have all recognized this within him


Just read the top of your post???? Is Kakashi dumb? Itachi simply did the same thing Kakashi does in every fight... Sends a clone in to gather information while the main stays hidden ......But instead of a clone.. Itachi had bee and naruto fighting ....in the little brawl, he easily figured out Nagato's weaknesses and the shared vision.. something it took Jiraya, ma and pa combines a while to realize... let's be real...



Lilith is also right.. unlike other ninjas.. after 13 Itachi was on his own.. his genius was all him... he had no teacher, no sannin to school him, nothing like that.. he was outside the village and thus didn't have the luxury of konoha library to aid him.. all he had was himself

 

[Icelerate]

One thing that you and several people don't understand is that shikamaru is a LAZY genius. He is the type that doesn't like to do a lot of work, but when he needs to, he outshines all others in the intel department, INCLUDING Itachi.

Just because someone is lazy doesn't mean they outshine the other in the intelligence department.

You say that Itachi never had to be taught and had the reasoning of a hokage at a young age, well I say that shikamarus IQ was so astoundingly highly, that his IQ was the only one even worth mentioning and that he could have been top of his class effortlessly, but was too lazy to even pick up his pencil. Itachi Is great at analysing his opponents, especially with the sharingan, shikamaru can do that and stay several steps ahead of his opponent the whole time.

If Shikamaru's IQ is so great, how come Asuma was able to trick him into taking an IQ test effortlessly? Shikamaru didn't even know he was taking an IQ test. The sharingan doesn't enhance intelligence so you can't say Itachi's sharingan helps him analyse certain schemes.

Don't get me wrong, Itachi is very intelligent and one of the strongest and most talented people in the NV with his combative abilities, but when it comes down to straight intelligence/cognitive ability/general fore planning, Shikamaru outshines all people with the exception of his father, Shikaku, and no one else. When a person's character is based COMPLETELY around intelligence as support compared to other combat ninjas, you know that he is very likely the best of the best.

So going by your logic, Sasuke loses to Hinata in taijutsu since Hinata specialises in taijutsu while Sasuke is an all rounder? Just because Itachi is an all rounder doesn't mean he'd be inferior compared to a specialist. Also bare in mind that Itachi is 5 years older than Shikamaru so he has more experience. I agree Shikamaru is more of a genius but a 10 year old slightly more genius will still be inferior to a 15 year old slightly less genius. For example, Jiraiya has a 4.5 in intelligence and he does deserve it. Compare that to Neji, Sasuke, Temari, Shino and Sakura who have all been praised for their intelligence or shown remarkable intelligence feats yet he is more intelligent and has a much higher score because he is older. Itachi has also experienced a lot more which gives him the edge.

So he wasn't made an effective proxy commander of the fourth division and didn't help to combat two of the biggest problems on their battlefront, kinkaku and ginkaku, and Asuma nor figured out that obito was goin to use the nine tails chakra from kinkaku and gingaku for the Gedos statue. That must also mean that he didn't create an effective way to keep everyone safe from any zetsu clones by drawing circles around everyone and staying in them til naruto came to help.

What exactly did Shikamaru do as proxy commander? I swear, Temari, Dodai, Ino and Onoki had more leadership feats in the war. Asuma was a big problem IYO? Lol that fight was a waste IMO and Shikamaru being sent to fight him doesn't make him more intelligent than Itachi, what exactly are you trying to prove? Furthermore, Shikamaru nor his father solved the Zetsu dilemma, Naruto did. So much for intelligence. Naruto's foresight and ability to tell negative emotions far surpasses the foresight of the vast majority of characters in the manga including Shikamaru and Itachi. None of the problems were solved by Shikamaru, Lilt was right. You didn't really provide anything significant. Shikamaru knew Tobi was going to use the Kinkaku and Gingaku chakra to power up the Gedo Mazou because he had intel from Temari.

Now when the tentails came along, he wasn't the one to figure out that using bug jamming and hidden mist jutsu would keep the alliance hidden until they arrived of left to be the master strategist when his father was killed was he?
Without his sharp mind on the battlefield, the alliance would have been crushed many times.

Well Temari figured out that the entire procedure his father was using was to turn the Juubi into cement. Just analysing what is going on isn't that impressive. Shouldn't it be obvious even to part 1 Konohamaru, part 1 Naruto, part 1 Kiba, part 1 Chouji that bug jamming and hidden mist will conceal your position.

Now about the battle with pain, considering it was a sneak attack, shikamaru was able to ascertain from jiraiyas code that the real pain was not among the 6 paths of pain and helped to figure out that the real body was probably very close by. He couldn't do much else because he had broken his leg.

Meh even Naruto and Jiraiya figured out more about Pain than Shikamaru. Without Naruto's help, Shikamaru, that girl with glasses and Sakura wouldn't have figured anything out. This just goes to prove even Naruto outshines the intelligent characters.

Now you try to change the point by bringing up all of itachis other skills when this discussion is strictly about intelligence only? Now I can tell you're desperate, pulling at straws to make sure that you're precious Itachi doesn't lose any face. (And since when does Itachi have any medical jutsu or sealing expertise? We don't know if he made the medicine that kept him alive, which is by the way HIGHLY unlikely considering how much time it takes to be a medic nin, nor has it ever been stated that he could use any medical jutsu. Outside of totsuka blade, Itachi has NO sealing feats or abilities ever mentioned, so he isn't a sealing expert just because his susanoo possesses the ability to do it.)

Itachi sealed amaterasu inside of Sasuke's eyes. That trap to be used on Tobi was a fuinjutsu.

You can also prove that Itachi could easily figure out this jutsu? How so? Hidan's Immortality and his ritual jutsu isn't exactly something that can be seen with the sharingan.(Another fine point on how Itachi relies on his sharingan while shikamaru only uses his brain.)

Not really, the way Hidan was showing off his abilities, I wouldn't be surprised that Konohamaru can figure it out. Itachi would probably figure out much faster.

Okay, seriously? KAKASHI figured out Kamui, not Itachi. Stop giving him feats he doesn't have. Kakashi also figured out rinnegan shared vision and rinnegan jutsu and if he could do it, then shikamaru, who was also considered to be on and higher kakashis intelligence level could do it too. Itachi had to extract the infromation on how to stop Edo tensei from kabuto himself with a hypnosis jutsu. You're just making stuff up to help Itachi keep his so-called "legendary" status.

Didn't Naruto say at the beginning of Shippuden that Kakashi is more intelligent than Shikamaru? Not that I necessarily agree with this statement.

This just further proves that Itachi without his advantages given to him through his sharingan would not be able to match up with someone like shikamaru who only uses his brain to figure out over hundreds of scenarios and choose the best course of action. Also, a sharingan on an IQ test is useless. It's only good for combat purposes and does NOT increase a persons mental capacity(where did you get that idea???) :sy:

Using ninja tools and abilities doesn't make one dumber. Itachi has the right to use his sharingan just as Shikamaru has right to his shadows.

Lets see now, without his sharingan, how would fare in a shurikenjutsu battle with tenten or a genjutsu battle with Kurenai? He would FAIL miserably. His sharingan is what grants him these abilities not his regular skills. Shikamaru has an IQ over 200. If Itachi had anything even remotely close to that, then it would have been mentioned in the manga somewhere, which it hasn't. Shikamarus level of intelligence is unmatched by anyone except for his father.

Itachi would fodderize them at the same time even without the sharingan. IQ is overrated, having a higher IQ doesn't mean the person with a lower IQ is dumber.

Anyway it was Sasuke who was the top of his class, not Shikamaru, Shino or Sakura. Neji already graduated a year before so he isn't included in this.

Anyway the manga made it clear that Itachi was on a whole other level, even as a child, when it comes to overall skill, power and intelligence compared to Sasuke.

 

[Moss]

A) Shikamaru, or equal.
B) Itachi, hands down.

 

[Owarij]

.....shruiken battle? what? Itachi was almost blind and still stalemated in a shruiken throw out against Sasauke, whom btw had a perfectly working Sharingan... So I fail to see how his sharingan has anything to do with his pure skill in the talent

 

[TJ0001]

when it comes to planning shikamaru takes this with little difficulty.

in mid battle smarts and decision making it could go either way.

 

[Draegod]

Draegod -You're spewing hate

According to tobi Itachi planned his fight with Sasuke down to the last moment perfectly.. even taking into consideration the white snake rebirth jutsu he would have received from absorbing orochimaru - success

he used hate to make Sasuke become stronger - success

Post mortem amaterasu trap to kill obito, fail, but ONLY because orochimaru kept things hidden from him... Not even shikimaru can predict the unpredictable , And i'm bolding that part, because i'll come back to it...

You seem to be downing on Itachi's failure but you you don't realize, that planning out the future is impossible for most , as there is NO WAY to fully predict what will happen... not shikimaru, not shikakku or anyone can do such a thing.. shikimaru can plan out a fight..yes, he can come up with a brilliant strategy.. but even Obito stated.. "I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW FAR HE PLANS AHEAD.."

even after the amaterasu trap failed, Itachi still had the kotoamatsuki as backup.. meaning he PREPARED for a failure on that part, given that he knew he didn't have full knowledge of tobi... .Yet once again, the UNPREDICTABLE happened, and he was revived by edo tensei..... Long story short.. Itachi's plans would have worked had situations been different.. noone could have done any better...



PS- Tobi never used izanagi to escape amaterasu ...The databook specifically hints that it was just his normal Kamui used to escape the flames

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Which leaves two things... Either Itachi didn't know tobi had Kamui, which is the most likely, considering tob's words right after... "Luckily, I managed to keep a few secrets from Itachi, otherwise I'd be dead"...

Or, the theory that amaterasu was supposed to hit his eye, thus making him unable to kamui is true...
Either way.. Itachi's plan was SPOT on given his limited knowledge..

One again, back to the theme of my post.. Noone an predict the unpredictable... tobi recognized that and praised itachi for what he did regardless. and even then after being so amazed, he still was not aware that Itachi planned even further ahead(with KA)....

You take Itachi's modesty too seriously.. as stated in the manga he is a genius above geniuses... and Orochimaru, Kabuto and Kakashi have all recognized this within him


Just read the top of your post???? Is Kakashi dumb? Itachi simply did the same thing Kakashi does in every fight... Sends a clone in to gather information while the main stays hidden ......But instead of a clone.. Itachi had bee and naruto fighting ....in the little brawl, he easily figured out Nagato's weaknesses and the shared vision.. something it took Jiraya, ma and pa combines a while to realize... let's be real...



Lilith is also right.. unlike other ninjas.. after 13 Itachi was on his own.. his genius was all him... he had no teacher, no sannin to school him, nothing like that.. he was outside the village and thus didn't have the luxury of konoha library to aid him.. all he had was himself

Its clear you skimmed my post! No where in my post did i say half the things you assumed i said.

I said he used kamui, BUT didnt take into account that maybe he could use IZANAGI to escape if he didnt have Kamui (which he did have as a back up plan).

According to tobi Itachi FOOLED SASUKE DOWN TO THE LAST MOMENT! He didnt plan on sasuke making him use susanoo; he didnt plan on sasuke doing half the jutsu's he used. He simply wanted to die by sasuke and wanted to get rid of the CM. That is a simple task if you know what your doing; and itachi being the stronger one made it that much easier to fool sasuke becuase all he had to do was hold back a bit. He did succeed at planning that outcome, but like i said it wasnt a hard feat for a ninja of his caliber!


All in all you assume i have "hate" for a character i like. But its the opposite! I don't like his fans that overrate the man after he even admits he was a failure in planning things (not you in particular; your actually one of the smart itachi fans. But you do overrate him at times).

He is smart, but shika is smarter in my opinion. You can think itachi is smarter; it doesnt take away from shika. This is just what i think. SHika being naturally smart for no reason is simply remarkable! No studying, no teacher, no nothing! Just simply super smart!!!

But in reality Both are overrated because they have more screen time then others. Oru is smarter then both based off manga feats!!!

I would gladly argue that point!!!

 

[Icelerate]

cause they have more screen time then others. Oru is smarter then both based off manga feats!!!

I would gladly argue that point!!!

I agree with this point of yours. Fodder #55 might be smarter than both of them combined but since we don't know them, we will never know. How is Oro smarter than them both though? Didn't he get fooled by Sasuke and admit that Sasuke is a greater genius than him? The same Sasuke who is inferior in intelligence compared to Itachi and Shikamaru.

 

[Draegod]

I agree with this point of yours. Fodder #55 might be smarter than both of them combined but since we don't know them, we will never know. How is Oro smarter than them both though? Didn't he get fooled by Sasuke and admit that Sasuke is a greater genius than him? The same Sasuke who is inferior in intelligence compared to Itachi and Shikamaru.

He never admitted sasuke being smarter; He simply was impressed at him at that age! (he solo's an army it looked like; with out killing a soul! Damn that is something to compliment!!! lol)

Oru basically planned everything! Invented an immortality jutsu, mastered an forbidden jutsu called edo, discovered the secrets of the SO6Ps with out having a sharingan, made a prototype Edo madara (danzou), created a village under the noise of 5 other great villages. fooled the sand village completely, created the curse mark (mini sage mode) from juugos heritage, knows basically everything their is to know past and present (nothing surprises him in terms of knowledge), managed to always allow his couscous to be in a CM so he would never truly die, made yamoto a wood user, studied the uzamakis secrets etc etc

The man has simply done to much to list accurately!

He may be weaker (or was weaker) then itachi, but he is smarter!

 

[Lilt]

Orochimaru's accomplished many academic pursuits, but that doesn't make him smarter.

Especially given their different ages.

 

[Draegod]

Orochimaru's accomplished many academic pursuits, but that doesn't make him smarter.

Especially given their different ages.

You bring up age difference but forget shika is way younger than Itachi. Dont be foolish to mention "age" now... Hypocrite maybe?

 

[Lilt]

You bring up age difference but forget shika is way younger than Itachi. Dont be foolish to mention "age" now... Hypocrite maybe?

Not at all. I've been comparing their ages all along.

Look at what Itachi was at age 11 compared to Shikamaru. That's the difference between their learning potency.

One was a mediocre academy student, the other was earning the respect & fear of a genius Sanin.

Shikamaru impressing Asuma in a board game doesn't make up for the difference in learning ability.

 

[Draegod]

Not at all. I've been comparing their ages all along.

Look at what Itachi was at age 11 compared to Shikamaru. That's the difference between their learning potency.

One was a mediocre academy student, the other was earning the respect & fear of a genius Sanin.

Shikamaru impressing Asuma in a board game doesn't make up for the difference in learning ability.

Shika didnt try to be a genius in a board game, it came naturally! DOnt get it twisted!

What you fail to see or realize is this...

Shika didnt try nor gave a fuq! He is just that smart to never study or try!
Itachi studied and tried! He worked on eevrything! Fact of teh manga! He did his research etc etc.

Shika didnt do any of that, he gave no fuqs and is still one of the smartest for his age and in the show! Learn the difference!

A ninja that literally did nothing>>>>A ninja that tried!

and being respected because of your eyes is nothing to bragg about! Everybody knows with the sharinagn in general every thing is easier.

You see things clear, you predict, etc etc.

Shika doesnt have blessed eye's to help his case. Just plain ol shika!

Being stronger is different then being smarter!

 

[Lilt]

He never studied and was a mediocre student, and is now a mediocre ninja.

How impressive.

 

[fastrthnwind]

He never studied and was a mediocre student, and is now a mediocre ninja.

How impressive.

Its because he never tried. How many times must this be said before you get it? It has been stated before that Shikamaru would have been top of the class If he wasn't so lazy.