Itachi vs Shikamaru: Intelligence
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Blaze Release
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Itachi is OBVIOUSLY above him. Tbh i feel like shikamaru's and his dad's intelligence are overrated.
Yes there are one of the most intelligent characters in the series however from what i see their intelligence is very limited. I am not here to define what intelligence and what not, but from my definition at least, there are many categories.
Shikamaru like his dad only truly excel at strategy and planning.
Itachi has shown great strategic planning in battle like pushing sasuke while doing enough not to kill him, all the purpose for him to reveal orochimaru.
Strategy of countering shared vision in order safe naruto/bee.
Strategy of countering chibaku tensei
Strategy of using a kinjutsu like izanami is such a tight fight.
However all of itachi's in battle strategic feats pale's, like everybody else before shikamaru's. I have always said Shikamaru has the greatest strategic in battle feats. His fights against temari and tayuya put him above everybody else when it comes to strategy, but that is about it.
To me the most intelligent people are those who have acquired the most knowledge and understand in detail how the world works around them, neither shikamaru or his dad comes close. So to me the most intelligent characters are:
1. Madara and his student obito
2. Orochimaru and his student kabuto
3. Itachi
To me the knowledge that these guys have is what makes them the most intelligent characters. Nobody else comes close. The most knowledgeable are the most intelligent, to me at least. Shikamaru is too lazy to be asked to read or anything of that sort, the knowledge that madara/oro/itachi have makes a mockery of him.
If animals are included then the most intelligent characters are not human.
They are the great toad sage of mount myoboku and the white snake sage of Ryuchido. Their knowledge trumps all
Yes there are one of the most intelligent characters in the series however from what i see their intelligence is very limited. I am not here to define what intelligence and what not, but from my definition at least, there are many categories.
Shikamaru like his dad only truly excel at strategy and planning.
Itachi has shown great strategic planning in battle like pushing sasuke while doing enough not to kill him, all the purpose for him to reveal orochimaru.
Strategy of countering shared vision in order safe naruto/bee.
Strategy of countering chibaku tensei
Strategy of using a kinjutsu like izanami is such a tight fight.
However all of itachi's in battle strategic feats pale's, like everybody else before shikamaru's. I have always said Shikamaru has the greatest strategic in battle feats. His fights against temari and tayuya put him above everybody else when it comes to strategy, but that is about it.
To me the most intelligent people are those who have acquired the most knowledge and understand in detail how the world works around them, neither shikamaru or his dad comes close. So to me the most intelligent characters are:
1. Madara and his student obito
2. Orochimaru and his student kabuto
3. Itachi
To me the knowledge that these guys have is what makes them the most intelligent characters. Nobody else comes close. The most knowledgeable are the most intelligent, to me at least. Shikamaru is too lazy to be asked to read or anything of that sort, the knowledge that madara/oro/itachi have makes a mockery of him.
If animals are included then the most intelligent characters are not human.
They are the great toad sage of mount myoboku and the white snake sage of Ryuchido. Their knowledge trumps all
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fastrthnwind
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You are trying to equate wisdom with intelligence, both of which are correlated in a way, but not the same.
Intelligence - the capability to analyze problems and the accumulation of knowledge.
Wisdom - the ability to make good decisions in whether in battle or in life based on the experiences of a person.
In terms of intellectual analysis, even amist battle, Shikaku and shikamaru excel above all others. In terms of wisdom, Itachi is one of the most prominent figures, though I would say that Shikaku would be just as wise because elf his experiences being in a shinobi world war.
Sharingankingitachi
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You are correct in a way, but you add to much to a simple question. lol
WHo is battle smart and who is overall smart!
Battle smart to me is 50/50, overall smart is shika with is IQ making him beyond belief literally with out trying! Imagined if he actually tried???....
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VolatileSoul
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I can't believe people said Shikamaru. All I see is hype while Itachi has actually done something I can judge intelligence by. What feat does Shikamaru have that buts him above Itachi in intelliigence? An IQ of 200? That won't do much good since we don't know Itachi's IQ and he seems to be pretty smart himself. Heck, he is the nearest thing to Aizen in this manga, when it comes to how convoluted he is.
Either way I'd say Itachi for both.
Either way I'd say Itachi for both.
Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg
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You simply fail!
Its clear you dont know the manga nor read it to make such a retard statement! Delete your account fangirl!
And you. You are a fanboi so their is no surprise what your answer is. SO i want go in on you since it is no secret what you will always and forever say
Optimistic
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Shikamaru is superior in intellect but when it comes to battle tactics while caught up in the heat of battle i guess Itachi is better.
Shikamaru always takes a few seconds to come up with a plan(usually before fights) while Itachi can point out an opponents weakness there and then.
Battle smart Shikamaru.
Quick thinker in battle Itachi
Shikamaru always takes a few seconds to come up with a plan(usually before fights) while Itachi can point out an opponents weakness there and then.
Battle smart Shikamaru.
Quick thinker in battle Itachi
Blaze Release
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Nice with the definition but i do not believe anybody can define intelligence. Its always vague from what i see.
I had noted that strategically shikamaru's feats agains't temari/tayuya is the greatest only rivalled by sasuke against deidora. To me its only this category of intelligence do they surpass others.
I actually do not believe in the IQ test in real life. I have asked to take one and i always decline because to me its not only futile it doesn't say anything.
Now there are many discussions that i do not like taking too much time on because i feel you cannot only change people's mind there is no right or wrong answer. You cannot prove them wrong. Example are these ranking threads. I hardly partake in them because how a member views a character will be different from another but also you cannot prove them wrong because your list isn't exactly official either.
But this is what ill say and ill say again. Itachi hasn't taken the IQ test. Will his score be high if he does?.
Most likely. How high?, i have no idea.
But again shikamaru's intelligence is mainly strategic, derived from natural intelligence. But you see he isn't the only one who has this natural intelligence. Loads of characters have natural intelligence. How they fare against shikamaru's natural intelligence i do not know. Example itachi [
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].So you see itachi is also naturally very intelligent. The difference between these naturally intelligent people and shikamaru is that, they LEARN. They broaden their viewpoint and knowledge by reading and attaining greater information, something shikamaru doesn't do.
Example it was said that itachi was reading scrolls about the founding of the village and all that by 7.
There is a difference between reading and a difference between reading and understanding. I will say the knowledge that 7 year old itachi had, accompanied with his natural intelligence was greater than 12 year old shikamaru who solely relied on natural intelligence and nothing else.
As i said madara, oro, itachi are all natural geniuses. But their intelligence goes beyond, just natural intelligence. They have attained and broaden their knowledge.
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You could be correct. Maybe in the future he will learn to go beyond anything ever shown if he tries. But as of now we will never know shikas true potential i suppose.
Battle smarts 50/50, regular smarts in the modern since would still be shika imo. But Oru and the upper uchihas are clearly above both we agree on that!!!! haha
fastrthnwind
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I understand what you mean. I was giving a very generalized definition of the term intelligence that is commonly accepted even though intelligence itself can't really be defined because of the elements that make it up, but only to differentiate it from wisdom, which is clearly defined as making good decisions in life based on experiences.
For example, a person could not be very smart book-wise, but they know about how to make the right decisions in their life so that they may live a long time and the same could be said vice-versa; a very smart person could make a lot of bad decisions and live a very short life.
As I said earlier, they are correlated in that a smart person in general will most likely make better decisions in life based on what they know and analyzing their choices to make the right one.
Shikamaru loses badly at A. He is a strategy planner before the battle actually takes place, and for that, he either needs information or time to do so. If he comes face to face with an opponent which requires him to use quick silver thinking a la Sasuke-esque decisions, he would get slaughtered.
People here obviously believe that a 200 IQ would somehow translate into multifaceted intelligence, then I laugh at this self-made assumption. Brains are wired differently for different people. Take Einstein. He could utilize a large portion of his brain for processing, yet he was a hilarious failure in Biology and German. He flunked both subjects badly and could never excel at them, no matter how hard he tried.
My point is, Shikamaru is not hardwired to quickly think on the spot for a counter. It's for traits like these that he looked up to Sasuke for his intelligence. This base needs to understand the term 'intelligence' first, as it has many dimensions itself. 200 IQ wouldn't mean anything if it cannot be utilized for a said domain.
On topic: Itachi takes A fairly easily and is quite decent at B as well, but Shikamaru seems a tad bit better.
People here obviously believe that a 200 IQ would somehow translate into multifaceted intelligence, then I laugh at this self-made assumption. Brains are wired differently for different people. Take Einstein. He could utilize a large portion of his brain for processing, yet he was a hilarious failure in Biology and German. He flunked both subjects badly and could never excel at them, no matter how hard he tried.
My point is, Shikamaru is not hardwired to quickly think on the spot for a counter. It's for traits like these that he looked up to Sasuke for his intelligence. This base needs to understand the term 'intelligence' first, as it has many dimensions itself. 200 IQ wouldn't mean anything if it cannot be utilized for a said domain.
On topic: Itachi takes A fairly easily and is quite decent at B as well, but Shikamaru seems a tad bit better.
general planning is definitely shikamaru, considering he's said to be able to think 200 moves ahead.
Battle would against be shikamaru but not by that much of a stretch as before. He's great at on the fly thinking, but he's even better when he sits and meditates.
Battle would against be shikamaru but not by that much of a stretch as before. He's great at on the fly thinking, but he's even better when he sits and meditates.
AmazonKiller
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As a strategist Shikmaru is smarter than Itatchi, but overall id put Itatchi as having more battle smarts/wisdom.