Itachi vs Shikamaru: Intelligence

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At the age of seven, Itachi was said to possess the knowledge and understanding of a high Kage.
Whoever said that Shikamaru excels Itachi in terms of intelligence and tactical strategizing is either lying or haters.
 

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Shikimaru wins in strategy, Itachi in battle smarts...Shikimaru needs to concentrate and think to come up with something... which was seed in his fight against hidan... in a 1v1 battle you may not get that chance... but Itachi is quicker on his feet in this aspect...
As for strategy, meh , i'll say shikimaru
 

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Did Shikmaru analyze and counter Edo Tensei, Rinnegan shared vision, Kamui, etc. in the moments it took Itachi?

I didn't think so.

Shikamaru's all hype. But Itachi has much better hype. Itachi's more intelligent, plain and simple.
 

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just a comparison.

...js c:
Itachi was said to never have to be taught, and with the reasoning ability of a Hokage at age seven.

Shikamaru had to be taught, and didn't really excel (middle of his class.)

He was still learning what role the Hokage played from Asuma at age 15.
 

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Itachi was said to never have to be taught, and with the reasoning ability of a Hokage at age seven.

Shikamaru had to be taught, and didn't really excel (middle of his class.)

He was still learning what role the Hokage played from Asuma at age 15.
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His strategy with hidan, switching the blood. That alone has gained him many feats in intelligence. U_U .
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bro He doesn't even try. his motto is "What a drag"
 

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Shikamaru wins hands down plus as he gets stronger it seems like he gets smarter.
If naruto becomes hokage soo. Shikamaru is going to be the one he turns to for help.
Shikamaru is crazy smart that's his thing so to say he would lose in a intelligence contest makes no sense.
 

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Itachi was said to never have to be taught, and with the reasoning ability of a Hokage at age seven.

Shikamaru had to be taught, and didn't really excel (middle of his class.)

He was still learning what role the Hokage played from Asuma at age 15.
One thing that you and several people don't understand is that shikamaru is a LAZY genius. He is the type that doesn't like to do a lot of work, but when he needs to, he outshines all others in the intel department, INCLUDING Itachi.

You say that Itachi never had to be taught and had the reasoning of a hokage at a young age, well I say that shikamarus IQ was so astoundingly highly, that his IQ was the only one even worth mentioning and that he could have been top of his class effortlessly, but was too lazy to even pick up his pencil. Itachi Is great at analysing his opponents, especially with the sharingan, shikamaru can do that and stay several steps ahead of his opponent the whole time.

Don't get me wrong, Itachi is very intelligent and one of the strongest and most talented people in the NV with his combative abilities, but when it comes down to straight intelligence/cognitive ability/general fore planning, Shikamaru outshines all people with the exception of his father, Shikaku, and no one else. When a person's character is based COMPLETELY around intelligence as support compared to other combat ninjas, you know that he is very likely the best of the best.
 

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Did Shikmaru analyze and counter Edo Tensei, Rinnegan shared vision, Kamui, etc. in the moments it took Itachi?

I didn't think so.

Shikamaru's all hype. But Itachi has much better hype. Itachi's more intelligent, plain and simple.
Shikamaru hasn't fought in that situation, you can't use that. What he did do was figure out that the Mazo was the juubi's body, and many other feats. It could be argued that he knew about those techniques beforehand, so he didn't analyse them first just thought of counters. He also has skills that Shikamaru doesn't have, Shikamaru doesn't the Sharingan or a magical justu for every situation, he literally only has his head. By the intelligence of a Kage, he meant the judgement, Shikamaru is smarter IMO, he just doesn't have the arsenal that Itachi has to magically counter everything.
 
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Shikamaru hasn't fought in that situation, you can't use that. What he did do was figure out that the Mazo was the juubi's body, and many other feats. It could be argued that he knew about those techniques beforehand, so he didn't analyse them first just thought of counters. He also has skills that Shikamaru doesn't have, Shikamaru doesn't the Sharingan or a magical justu for every situation, he literally only has his head. By the intelligence of a Kage, he meant the judgement, Shikamaru is smarter IMO, he just doesn't have the arsenal that Itachi has to magically counter everything.
Thank you for pointing that out, cause I meant to put that into my argument but forgot to.
 

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Shikamaru is the best analyzer in the series but i doubt he could planned so far ahead in the future like itachi did ... yet itachi could never analyze a situation and come up with a strategy like shikamaru can they are both incredibly intelligent in their own way
 

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One thing that you and several people don't understand is that shikamaru is a LAZY genius. He is the type that doesn't like to do a lot of work, but when he needs to, he outshines all others in the intel department, INCLUDING Itachi.
And what I'm saying is that that's untrue. Shikamaru solved no problems with the war, nor with Pain.

He never noticed Tobi, nor did he invent any jutsu. Shikamaru excels at neither genjutsu, ninjutsu, taijutus, or anything.

Itachi excels at literally everything to a superhuman degree, including having impressive medical/sealing jutsu inventions.

Shikamaru literally has NOTHING under his belt. Figuring out Hidan's jutsu is something Itachi would easily do.

Itachi figured out Kamui, Rinnegan shared vision, Rinnegan jutsu, Edo Tensei, etc. in moments, after all.

You say that Itachi never had to be taught and had the reasoning of a hokage at a young age, well I say that shikamarus IQ was so astoundingly highly
Let me just stop you right there for a moment.

IQ doesn't mean SHIT to ANY Sharingan user. They have eidetic memory and super human pattern decoding.

They would score 200+ (immeasurable) on any IQ test simply because the Sharingan is such a huge mental boost.

This is why Sasuke told Orochimaru that Uchiha geniuses make other geniuses look average.

Itachi just happens to have a level of intellect, which Kabuto mentioned, makes him perceive more than the Sharingan.

When a person's character is based COMPLETELY around intelligence as support compared to other combat ninjas, you know that he is very likely the best of the best.
I don't agree with this at all.

Itachi's feats with shuriken embarrass Tenten, Itachi's feats with genjutsu embarrass Kurenai, etc.
 

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I think people are exaggerating Shikimaru's intelligence.. he isn't his father yet... he's far from his father.. which is why his father was head of intelligence.... It was stated twice in the manga that Kakashi and shikimaru were equal in intelligence... and I'd like to think Itachi is on par with Kakashi in intelligence.. but as I said, there are different types on "intelligence" , battle smarts goes to Itachi, as he has been in a much higher number of fights than shika, and is able to come up with strats on the spot mid combat.. while shikimaru may excel in planning and strategy in a controlled environment
 

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And what I'm saying is that that's untrue. Shikamaru solved no problems with the war, nor with Pain.

He never noticed Tobi, nor did he invent any jutsu. Shikamaru excels at neither genjutsu, ninjutsu, taijutus, or anything.

Itachi excels at literally everything to a superhuman degree, including having impressive medical/sealing jutsu inventions.

Shikamaru literally has NOTHING under his belt. Figuring out Hidan's jutsu is something Itachi would easily do.

Itachi figured out Kamui, Rinnegan shared vision, Rinnegan jutsu, Edo Tensei, etc. in moments, after all.

So he wasn't made an effective proxy commander of the fourth division and didn't help to combat two of the biggest problems on their battlefront, kinkaku and ginkaku, and Asuma nor figured out that obito was goin to use the nine tails chakra from kinkaku and gingaku for the Gedos statue. That must also mean that he didn't create an effective way to keep everyone safe from any zetsu clones by drawing circles around everyone and staying in them til naruto came to help.

Now when the tentails came along, he wasn't the one to figure out that using bug jamming and hidden mist jutsu would keep the alliance hidden until they arrived of left to be the master strategist when his father was killed was he?
Without his sharp mind on the battlefield, the alliance would have been crushed many times.

Now about the battle with pain, considering it was a sneak attack, shikamaru was able to ascertain from jiraiyas code that the real pain was not among the 6 paths of pain and helped to figure out that the real body was probably very close by. He couldn't do much else because he had broken his leg.

Now you try to change the point by bringing up all of itachis other skills when this discussion is strictly about intelligence only? Now I can tell you're desperate, pulling at straws to make sure that you're precious Itachi doesn't lose any face. (And since when does Itachi have any medical jutsu or sealing expertise? We don't know if he made the medicine that kept him alive, which is by the way HIGHLY unlikely considering how much time it takes to be a medic nin, nor has it ever been stated that he could use any medical jutsu. Outside of totsuka blade, Itachi has NO sealing feats or abilities ever mentioned, so he isn't a sealing expert just because his susanoo possesses the ability to do it.)

You can also prove that Itachi could easily figure out this jutsu? How so? Hidan's Immortality and his ritual jutsu isn't exactly something that can be seen with the sharingan.(Another fine point on how Itachi relies on his sharingan while shikamaru only uses his brain.)

Okay, seriously? KAKASHI figured out Kamui, not Itachi. Stop giving him feats he doesn't have. Kakashi also figured out rinnegan shared vision and rinnegan jutsu and if he could do it, then shikamaru, who was also considered to be on and higher kakashis intelligence level could do it too. Itachi had to extract the infromation on how to stop Edo tensei from kabuto himself with a hypnosis jutsu. You're just making stuff up to help Itachi keep his so-called "legendary" status.

Let me just stop you right there for a moment.

IQ doesn't mean SHIT to ANY Sharingan user. They have eidetic memory and super human pattern decoding.

They would score 200+ (immeasurable) on any IQ test simply because the Sharingan is such a huge mental boost.

This is why Sasuke told Orochimaru that Uchiha geniuses make other geniuses look average.

Itachi just happens to have a level of intellect, which Kabuto mentioned, makes him perceive more than the Sharingan
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This just further proves that Itachi without his advantages given to him through his sharingan would not be able to match up with someone like shikamaru who only uses his brain to figure out over hundreds of scenarios and choose the best course of action. Also, a sharingan on an IQ test is useless. It's only good for combat purposes and does NOT increase a persons mental capacity(where did you get that idea???) :sy:

I don't agree with this at all.

Itachi's feats with shuriken embarrass Tenten, Itachi's feats with genjutsu embarrass Kurenai, etc.
Lets see now, without his sharingan, how would fare in a shurikenjutsu battle with tenten or a genjutsu battle with Kurenai? He would FAIL miserably. His sharingan is what grants him these abilities not his regular skills. Shikamaru has an IQ over 200. If Itachi had anything even remotely close to that, then it would have been mentioned in the manga somewhere, which it hasn't. Shikamarus level of intelligence is unmatched by anyone except for his father.
 
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