Itachi is underrated

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I understand what youre saying you make a lot of sense. I feel Itachi is perfectly if not to a very very diminutive degree underrated. Im also lost how is Itachi not top 10 in all of Naruto? Ppl are saying Sasori can beat him? I always believed Itachi was top 3 in Akatsuki with Tobi at top, and Nagato below? Can someone enlighten me as Im addled by the Itachi weaker than Sasori, and other things, not trying to argue...just would like to hear why.
 

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From one of the people who attempted to make Nb'ers aware of Sasori's capabilities back in a time where people listed him below hidan......He can't defeat Itachi
 

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Itachi is sorely overrated, especially from the comments I'm seeing from OP.

There is a percentage of people that say that Itachi is smarter than Shikamaru, a better fighter than Gai, is faster than Ei, is a better clone user than Naruto, a better genjutsu user than Trollkage, and his MS abilities are more hax than any other characters' jutsus.

Going by those perspectives, he is the most overrated character. The truth is that he is very powerful, but his strength is relative to the other characters in Naruto. He said himself that he's weaker than Tobi, he said he'd draw with Jiraiya, and he is unquestionably weaker than Hashirama or EMS Madara whom have been put in a league of their own no matter how much people think Itachi would blitz gg/genjutsu gg/Amaterasu gg/Totsuka gg them.

If Itachi were truly as powerful as people hype him to be, why didn't he take out Akatsuki himself and save the world?
Itachi needed help against the Uchiha clan, Old Hiruzen and Danzo w/o mods were capable of doing that themselves. Characters like EMS Madara are so powerful that the entire world felt the need to unite against him, Itachi cannot be compared to him.

What are Itachi's greatest feats anyway? Beating kids and cripples, and needing help against anyone else or running away.

1. Beat a dying Orochimaru whom was trying to take Itachi's body, Orochimaru wasn't as powerful then as he was at the start of the series. Normal Sasuke has the same feat, and Sasuke said that he couldn't had won if Orochimaru were healthy, and both he and Karin suggested that Armless Orochimaru was stronger than Hebi Sasuke.

2. Beat a 9 year old Deidara whom he had intel on and cornered, Deidara didn't know anything about Itachi or the Sharingan. Itachi's genjutsu trick didn't make sense either.

3. Beat Kakashi whom didn't take his own advice and thought he could have a Sharingan staring contest with Itachi's MS. Kakashi is also the measuring stick in Narutoverse, ninjas take their turns showing off against him. The two also fought evenly in their next encounter.

4. His second encounter with Orochimaru, in this instance Orochimaru was armless and was a disembodied spirit stuck to Sasuke's neck. Itachi needed to remove Orochimaru from Sasuke without killing Sasuke, so he magically had Totsuka in his possession.

5. Edo Itachi vs. a weakened KCM Naruto whom has a 3.5 in taijutsu and speed and Itachi still couldn't beat him in taijutsu. And I say he was weakened because Bijuu chakra = power, and Naruto divided Kurama's chakra 12 ways.
Itachi also couldn't beat Base Bee in taijutsu and was pressured back.

6. Itachi kept hid from Nagato and ambushed him while Naruto and Bee kept him busy, then needed Naruto's and Bee's help.

7. Even though he was the most powerful he had ever been, he was getting dominated by Kabuto even with EMS Sasuke's help, Kabuto was also immune to visual genjutsu so Itachi magically had a genjutsu that was feeling-based (and had tremendous luck/plot hax to pull it off).

Itachi's genjutsu is also overrated. He put Orochimaru in a paralyzing genjutsu which Orochimaru resisted and was about to break, Naruto was also a novice against genjutsu users and still had poor chakra control and he was able to resist Itachi's sleeping genjutsu.
Kurenai also put him in a genjutsu, Sasuke put him in a genjutsu, and Kabuto put him in a genjutsu.

Amaterasu is also overrated. First of all, Sasuke has Amaterasu and we all know that Naruto > Sasuke in the end, so how is Amaterasu "gg"?
Aside from animals, there are many other instances of characters reacting to it and not doing significant damage over the course of some minutes. Sasuke and Ei dodged it, Gyuuki stopped it from hitting his head with his arm, and Kabuto avoided it. It also didn't burn very quickly in any of the instances where it actually hit a person:

1. Sasuke was able to use two jutsus while Amaterasu was burning his torso. If Amaterasu burned half as fast as Itachi's fans say it does, it would had burned his spine and paralyzed him, and then fatally damaged his internal organs which results in death.

2. In the same battle it caught all of those trees on fire, and they were still largely intact by the time Naruto and co. arrived an hour or so later.

3. Tobi was scrambled around the cave while it was burning his torso and it didn't kill him before he used whatever he did to expel it.

4. It didn't burn Gyuuki very quickly at all, and to make matters worse is that it only made minor burns on Bee's tentacle clone which didn't even make it poof.

5. Karin was burning about as long as Gyuuki and only suffered minor burns.

6. It couldn't burn through that samurai's armor before it was removed, which took a few minutes.

7. It didn't do significant damage to Ei's hand, nor did it spread.

8. It burned Nagato the entire time Naruto, Bee, and Itachi were talking, and all it did was burn away his elbow.

Am I forgetting anything?

There is also a start-up time where Itachi has to concentrate, his eye starts to bleed and it gives off a high chakra pressure; these are all early warnings for use of Amaterasu. Edo Itachi used this to his benegit against Naruto, he started to use Amaterasu and his crow popped out and mind blasted him before he could use it, Nagato was also able to feel the chakra pressure and warn Naruto.
Who says deidara was 9??
 

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Itachi underrated? From USSJ FT himself? :eek: Anyways, he's seems overrated due to some of his damn wankers. It's depends really.
 

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yes he is
especially since Madara appeared everyone thinks Itachi is not strong only because Madara's Susanoo is bigger lol size is not everything
look how 1000hands buddha tied with Susanooed Kurama while it was way smaller
 

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Hahahaha, oh what a plot twist that would be

OT- As iv'e stated before, Itachis' genjutsu, and any high level genjutsu can be utilized in a form similar to that of Aizen's shikai Kyōka Suigetsu....

They very fact that you can put someone in a genjutsu, perfectly simulating reality ( Eg the one he used on killer bee), without them knowing.. all the while they are paralyzed in real life.. is completely broken..

Kishi made him haxxed and either doesn't know it, or fully well knows it, which is why the fights he put Itachi in are covered in plot
The problem is that genjutsu is a poorly defined aspect of the Narutoverse that Kishimoto has a tendency to use for shock value or to progress the story.

We have been given the "rules" of genjutsu, yet Kishimoto has a tendency to bend those rules as he needs, just like various other feats that I've noticed through out the series. This makes genjutsu feats rather inconclusive. It also doesn't make sense for genjutsu to be so powerful. If it were, Kurenai would be Hokage right now instead of Tsunade. Genjutsu is not a rare ability either, and there are over 80,000 ninjas... there are A LOT of genjutsu users. One would have to assume that higher-leveled ninjas, especially legendary ones, are quite skilled at detecting and breaking genjutsus or else they would had never gained their status.

Genjutsu is performed by manipulating the 5 senses: sight, smell, taste, hearing, and touch.
As such they effect what you experience, but nothing is real, which makes it an "illusion." Genjutsu users are not telepaths, they cannot take control of your mind nor put you into a dream-like state.

There are tricks to detecting genjutsu. Ninjas often pay attention to things around them, if something is amiss they will suspect genjutsu. Also if something that happens doesn't make sense, they will also suspect genjutsu.
Another trick to detecting genjutsu is paying attention to your own chakra. If you feel that it is irregular, then you will suspect genjutsu.

There are also various tricks to dispelling genjutsu once caught (in no order):

1. Pain, inflicted by yourself or another.
2. Attacking the user, disrupting their concentration.
3. Altering your chakra flow.
4. Stopping your chakra flow.
5. Pushing out your chakra.
6. Partner method.

I understand what youre saying you make a lot of sense. I feel Itachi is perfectly if not to a very very diminutive degree underrated. Im also lost how is Itachi not top 10 in all of Naruto? Ppl are saying Sasori can beat him? I always believed Itachi was top 3 in Akatsuki with Tobi at top, and Nagato below? Can someone enlighten me as Im addled by the Itachi weaker than Sasori, and other things, not trying to argue...just would like to hear why.
Why couldn't someone of Sasori's caliber defeat Itachi? Sasori could lose, but so could Itachi. Iron sand, a battlefield-wide use of poison, pseudo immortality, and genjutsu immunity is enough to make Sasori a very real threat to Itachi.

Yes yes he is!
He needs to be fully recognized for his power wisdom and importance in this manga XD
Is this sarcasm? Itachi wasn't even all that wise, every decision he made was wrong.

Who says deidara was 9??
Well Deidara was 19 when he died. If Deidara joined the group 10 years ago as Orochimaru's replacement, then that would make him about 9 at the time.
 
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The problem is that genjutsu is a poorly defined aspect of the Narutoverse that Kishimoto has a tendency to use for shock value or to progress the story.

We have been given the "rules" of genjutsu, yet Kishimoto has a tendency to bend those rules as he needs, just like various other feats that I've noticed through out the series. This makes genjutsu feats rather inconclusive. It also doesn't make sense for genjutsu to be so powerful. If it were, Kurenai would be Hokage right now instead of Tsunade. Genjutsu is not a rare ability either, and there are over 80,000 ninjas... there are A LOT of genjutsu users. One would have to assume that higher-leveled ninjas, especially legendary ones, are quite skilled at detecting and breaking genjutsus or else they would had never gained their status.

Genjutsu is performed by manipulating the 5 senses: sight, smell, taste, hearing, and touch.
As such they effect what you experience, but nothing is real, which makes it an "illusion." Genjutsu users are not telepaths, they cannot take control of your mind nor put you into a dream-like state.

There are tricks to detecting genjutsu. Ninjas often pay attention to things around them, if something is amiss they will suspect genjutsu. Also if something that happens doesn't make sense, they will also suspect genjutsu.
Another trick to detecting genjutsu is paying attention to your own chakra. If you feel that it is irregular, then you will suspect genjutsu.

There are also various tricks to dispelling genjutsu once caught (in no order):

1. Pain, inflicted by yourself or another.
2. Attacking the user, disrupting their concentration.
3. Altering your chakra flow.
4. Stopping your chakra flow.
5. Pushing out your chakra.
6. Partner method.



Why couldn't someone of Sasori's caliber defeat Itachi? Sasori could lose, but so could Itachi. Iron sand, a battlefield-wide use of poison, pseudo immortality, and genjutsu immunity is enough to make Sasori a very real threat to Itachi.



Is this sarcasm? Itachi wasn't even all that wise, every decision he made was wrong.



Well Deidara was 19 when he died. If Deidara joined the group 10 years ago as Orochimaru's replacement, then that would make him about 9 at the time.
there are A LOT of genjutsu users.

No, There are a few genjutsu users in the manga. MUCH MUCH less than ninjutsu/ taijutsu users.. Jiraya speficially stated it's a rare skill because it requires extremely high intellect to use...

Deidara died at 19... He joined akatsuki somewhere in the midst of part 1 and 2... when Kisame was already Itachi's partner.. meaning he was 16/17...Orochimaru left 10 years ago, but they didn't find a partner for sasori til much later... You're under the assumption that they replaced him instantly... which doesn't align with the time frame.. and unless you intend on arguing 17 yr olds in naruto are weak.... which is weird , since Itachi would have been only 2 years older than him.. and at 17 itachi came into konoha and played sport with 30 year old jounins...


You fail to understand the point being made, None of those things matter if you are incapable of realizing you're in a genjutsu.. .which is the main factor in breaking one

Killer bee a seasoned fighter didn't realize he was in a genjutsu and was about to be slauhtered by kunai if his bijuu didn't wake him up.. there are many more cases.. even danzo who as well as hiruzen grew up in a time of war, was tricked twice by Sasuke via reality simulation genjutsu.. .You can't BREAK something you don't know you're in.. to the people caught in genjutsu, it's reality to THEM.... you say it's not really? true, they don't know that.. their reality at the time is an illusion... and it's inconceivable to think they would figure out they are in and break a genjutsu in the seconds it takes to throw 8 shruiken at their real life face


There are tricks to detecting genjutsu. Ninjas often pay attention to things around them, if something is amiss they will suspect genjutsu.

Once again.. Itachi, and Sasuke have both shown they are capable of creating genjutsu perfectly simulating reality.. and unless they choose to make the victim aware, They are dead.
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No, There are a few genjutsu users in the manga. MUCH MUCH less than ninjutsu/ taijutsu users.. Jiraya speficially stated it's a rare skill because it requires extremely high intellect to use...

Deidara died at 19... He joined akatsuki somewhere in the midst of part 1 and 2... when Kisame was already Itachi's partner.. meaning he was 16/17...Orochimaru left 10 years ago, but they didn't find a partner for sasori til much later... You're under the assumption that they replaced him instantly... which doesn't align with the time frame.. and unless you intend on arguing 17 yr olds in naruto are weak.... which is weird , since Itachi would have been only 2 years older than him.. and at 17 itachi came into konoha and played sport with 30 year old jounins...


You fail to understand the point being made, None of those things matter if you are incapable of realizing you're in a genjutsu.. .which is the main factor in breaking one

Killer bee a seasoned fighter didn't realize he was in a genjutsu and was about to be slauhtered by kunai if his bijuu didn't wake him up.. there are many more cases.. even danzo who as well as hiruzen grew up in a time of war, was tricked twice by Sasuke via reality simulation genjutsu.. .You can't BREAK something you don't know you're in.. to the people caught in genjutsu, it's reality to THEM.... you say it's not really? true, they don't know that.. their reality at the time is an illusion... and it's inconceivable to think they would figure out they are in and break a genjutsu in the seconds it takes to throw 8 shruiken at their real life face



Once again.. Itachi, and Sasuke have both shown they are capable of creating genjutsu perfectly simulating reality.. and unless they choose to make the victim aware, They are dead.
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DO you really think a bunch of fire kunais would "slaughter" Bee when he tanked a TBB???
 

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DO you really think a bunch of fire kunais would "slaughter" Bee when he tanked a TBB???

hachibi tanked that... bee himself is still human and hurts like one.. only one of those kunai had to hit a vital spot and he was dead

btw I wasn't reffering to the fire kunai, but the shruiken Itachi threw right after placing bee in a genjutsu


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Genjutsu followed by an attack in real life, would kill just about anyone.. thankfully Bee got his bijuu to break him out moments before the shruiken hit him.. what about another ninja without that luxury? death.... Itachi cut oros hand off before he could break his paralysis genjutsu..... he could just as easily went for his head... or any vital point.. It's the brokenness that's comparable to Aizen's ability
 

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No, There are a few genjutsu users in the manga. MUCH MUCH less than ninjutsu/ taijutsu users.. Jiraya speficially stated it's a rare skill because it requires extremely high intellect to use...

Deidara died at 19... He joined akatsuki somewhere in the midst of part 1 and 2... when Kisame was already Itachi's partner.. meaning he was 16/17...Orochimaru left 10 years ago, but they didn't find a partner for sasori til much later... You're under the assumption that they replaced him instantly... which doesn't align with the time frame.. and unless you intend on arguing 17 yr olds in naruto are weak.... which is weird , since Itachi would have been only 2 years older than him.. and at 17 itachi came into konoha and played sport with 30 year old jounins...


You fail to understand the point being made, None of those things matter if you are incapable of realizing you're in a genjutsu.. .which is the main factor in breaking one

Killer bee a seasoned fighter didn't realize he was in a genjutsu and was about to be slauhtered by kunai if his bijuu didn't wake him up.. there are many more cases.. even danzo who as well as hiruzen grew up in a time of war, was tricked twice by Sasuke via reality simulation genjutsu.. .You can't BREAK something you don't know you're in.. to the people caught in genjutsu, it's reality to THEM.... you say it's not really? true, they don't know that.. their reality at the time is an illusion... and it's inconceivable to think they would figure out they are in and break a genjutsu in the seconds it takes to throw 8 shruiken at their real life face



Once again.. Itachi, and Sasuke have both shown they are capable of creating genjutsu perfectly simulating reality.. and unless they choose to make the victim aware, They are dead.
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Can you show me the page where Jiraiya says this? Also, Tayuya has a low intellect, Kurenai isn't a genius, nor is Sasuke. Shii probably isn't a genius either.
You also have to ask yourself, how exactly rare is it amongst 80,000+ ninjas, and why aren't Kurenai and Shii ruling their respective villages?

I don't see a time-frame except that made-up one that you've established.
Deidara was shown as a silhouette at the end of pt.1, and I highly doubt they'd wait almost 10 years to replace Orochimaru.
Itachi played with who, now? Itachi had help from Kisame, first of all. Secondly, Itachi was put into Kurenai's genjutsu where she would had killed him if she didn't get PiS and decide to creep right up to his face and make eye-contact. After that, she dodged his kunai, got kicked, and got saved by Kakashi from an Exploding Shadow Clone. Kakashi was also busy saving Asuma from a Water Dragon Missile. Then Kakashi suffered PiS and decided it would be a good idea to have a staring contest with Tsukiyomi despite his own warnings.

Indeed. However, realizing you're in a genjutsu can be as simple as paying attention to your own chakra, or more complicated such as discerning your environment and situation. If something's amiss, or doesn't make sense, then you're likely in a genjutsu.

Bee is arguably very inexperienced at fighting against genjutsu users because of his reliance on Gyuuki. Writers also have a tendency to put characters in a specific situation just to show off a particular ability they otherwise wouldn't be able to, which would then be reduced to an implied ability.
Danzo wasn't tricked by Sasuke the first time, he knew it was a genjutsu and broke it. The second time it was a more clever genjutsu usage, taking advantage of the fact that Danzo wasn't even sure how long his eyes were staying open.
So if I throw a net on a ninja, it's inconceivable to believe that they'd escape before getting kunais thrown at them?

The opponent's skill and experience is also a factor, it isn't completely up to the genjutsu user.
That link you used is also a horrible example since it's an issue of plot hax. Itachi somehow took control of Deidara's jutsu, which is impossible. Now if Itachi tricked Deidara into wrapping his jutsu around an ally, that would be a different story since that's within the realm of genjutsu's established canon capabilities. Deidara also wasn't aware of the Sharingan or it's genjutsu capabilities to not look into Itachi's eyes.
Naruto is also still a rookie against genjutsu.

It's logical that genjutsu isn't hax because the Senju ate the Sharingan for breakfast, and they possessed no special counters besides skill and experience.
 
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