[Discussion] How strong do you think Luffy is now?

[DiddyKing]

WHAT?!?!? Admiral? You do realise that Akainu, Aokiji, Kizaru & (probably) Fugitora can do to the SH's (right now) what Kuma did 2 years ago, right?

Yes I do... but with that being said it was shown that even the admirals can have a tough time. I'm not saying he could beat them due to a lack of experience and knowledge but I'd still say he could cause them a lot of trouble because he is pretty strong. If he cant even come close then the time-skip was almost pointless. Being able to compete with the admirals and the Shichibukai was basically the point of all that training. If he cant then he should have done what Kid did and build up his crew.

 

[ziggyZ]

Yes I do... but with that being said it was shown that even the admirals can have a tough time. I'm not saying he could beat them due to a lack of experience and knowledge but I'd still say he could cause them a lot of trouble because he is pretty strong. If he cant even come close then the time-skip was almost pointless. Being able to compete with the admirals and the Shichibukai was basically the point of all that training. If he cant then he should have done what Kid did and build up his crew.

The point of the TS was so that they wouldn't get raped again. And they fight a Top-TIER, that is inevitable. But, when they started of in Paradise, they weren't even in a TIER. But gradually, through battles, they entered one. And history will repeat (after all, it's Shonen). So after a few arcs, they'll be able to survive on there own no matter the opponent. Another TS or not. That's "One Piece".

And they can compete with the Warlords, and they can even defeat them. And they're especially ready since they are gonna fight Doffy.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

i conclude:
a lot of people here are idiots

admirals are out of his league easily
he is mid tier vice admiral with the potential to reach rogers strength

 

[ziggyZ]

i conclude:
a lot of people here are idiots

admirals are out of his league easily
he is mid tier vice admiral with the potential to reach rogers strength and beyond

Fixed

 

[System001]

I actually think that Luffy is just weaker than Admiral level. The difference is experience. Luffy has spent two years training, but the truth is that you can sharpen your fangs all you want in some dark decrepit corner of the world, but sooner or later there will be nothing left to sharpen. Then you can go out and go hunting, only to find that the muscles behind those fangs have weakened. Sharp fangs, weak bite. Luffy needs to learn how to use the techniques that he has to the best of his ability in his fight. He also has to work out all of the technical quirks that they might have. In other words he has to apply his battle genius to what he has now.

 

[DiddyKing]

I actually think that Luffy is just weaker than Admiral level. The difference is experience. Luffy has spent two years training, but the truth is that you can sharpen your fangs all you want in some dark decrepit corner of the world, but sooner or later there will be nothing left to sharpen. Then you can go out and go hunting, only to find that the muscles behind those fangs have weakened. Sharp fangs, weak bite. Luffy needs to learn how to use the techniques that he has to the best of his ability in his fight. He also has to work out all of the technical quirks that they might have. In other words he has to apply his battle genius to what he has now.

^ this is exactly what im saying... nice to know someone agrees he most likely would lose but should be able to put up a fight.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

^ this is exactly what im saying... nice to know someone agrees he most likely would lose but should be able to put up a fight.

you think luffy is at doflamingo's level? he is just below admiral , he was confident he could kill both of them easily

 

[ziggyZ]

you think luffy is at doflamingo's level? he is just below admiral , he was confident he could kill both of them easily

That guys the type of guy who just agrees with paragraphs of writing.

 

[DiddyKing]

you think luffy is at doflamingo's level? he is just below admiral , he was confident he could kill both of them easil

Yes I do but I could be wrong though it would be pretty typical of a shounen anime villian to boast that confidence.

That guys the type of guy who just agrees with paragraphs of writing.

^ That is incorrect though since you're bashing me for not agreeing with you and agreeing with someone else I'm assuming that you're the type of guy who just needs attention. Why else bash someone when you're clearly not the author and were both just stating opinions on what we think?

 

[NarutoBestFanboy]

age hardly affects anyone in one piece , rayleigh could take on ADMIRAL kizaru at the grand old age of 10 billion

garp and sengoku knew that if garp was not restrained he could have killed akainu , thus proving that he is still above the admirals at his grand old age of 10 billion

law can not have grown a whole tear during one sail to the next island by discussing plans , he was weaker than vergo , smoker was weaker than vergo , they teamed up , then they won.

vergo only died due to the fact he let law cut him aswell , if he didn't it could have still turned out differently , and i have you know the punk hazard arc is the third in the time skip , not the arc before it as you implied that the timeskip was then giving you an excuse to say law is stronger than vergo in order to say luffy is above vice admiral level

when really you cannot justify your opinion because your opinion is proven wrong.

How is Law weaker than Vergo when he chopped him in two to win? There is no proof Law is weaker than Vergo. He lost to vergo because he was squeezing his heart. The other time he lost was back in the day. He beat Vergo once he got it back thanks to Smoker.

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[24 12 11 to troll]

How is Law weaker than Vergo when he chopped him in two to win? There is no proof Law is weaker than Vergo. He lost to vergo because he was squeezing his heart. The other time he lost was back in the day. He beat Vergo once he got it back thanks to Smoker.

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vergo let law cut him , and i don't mean he left an opening , vergo SAID (this is my lovely connotation skills) , "bring it , i will allow you to swing your sword (that is what cutting is incase you didn't know) to kill me"

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vergo was being cocky , left himself wide open , NOTE: being cocky has nothing to do with strength , fighting power is strength.

law could have easily beaten vergo by what you are saying , why didn't he cut him before? the above explanation is why , law was defeated twice in the same arc , and in one of the fights he did have his heart , further proof that vergo > law therefore some vide admirals > luffy

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you clearly have no idea how strong/weak luffy's generation of supernova are

 

[TheHokage]

I think Luffy's at a level where he could probably beat just about any of the vice admirals in a one on one as you can say Z was sick as much as you like however there's no denying Z was still strong seeing as he was able to go toe to toe with Kizaru for a bit.

But the Admirals...I don't know maybe he could fight with them for a while but I think he'd eventually be beaten I can't really say about Fujitora since we haven't really seen him fight yet but he must be strong to become an admiral.

Basically at this point of time Luffy would probably give the admirals a tough time but he'd be beaten eventually, however the Vice admirals? I don't see Luffy being beaten by them.

He could most likely beat all the warlords except Mihawk but the others would certainly give him a hard time before he beat them.

With the Yonkou's maybe he'd be able to get one hit in but he'd be raped by them in a fight.

 

[Pervy Wrath]

As I usually say, I think he can defend himself versus an Admiral now, but he's nowhere close to beating one yet.

I think Luffy has surpassed Ace, and is slightly behind Doflamingo. It seems like Luffy has a lot of opponents in the Dressrosa arc, but I'm expecting it to end with a fight between Luffy and Doflamingo.

This is my ranking:

Luffy
Doflamingo
Marco/other 1st Mates
Admirals
Akainu
Yonkos

I think each individual Yonko's strength differs depending on their crew.
Remember, this list is subject to change as people might become stronger(Blackbeard and Akainu), and most likely we will meet new and strong characters along the way that Luffy has to rise up to the challenge to fight as well.

 

[NarutoBestFanboy]

vergo let law cut him , and i don't mean he left an opening , vergo SAID (this is my lovely connotation skills) , "bring it , i will allow you to swing your sword (that is what cutting is incase you didn't know) to kill me"

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this is what happened
and before that

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vergo was being cocky , left himself wide open , NOTE: being cocky has nothing to do with strength , fighting power is strength.

law could have easily beaten vergo by what you are saying , why didn't he cut him before? the above explanation is why , law was defeated twice in the same arc , and in one of the fights he did have his heart , further proof that vergo > law therefore some vide admirals > luffy

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you clearly have no idea how strong/weak luffy's generation of supernova are

It says remember what happened "back in the day". That doesn't mean it's the same arc. Also If you check the page before Vergo beating Law, Law was on his knees before vergo stepped out, because Vergo had his heart. Vergo only beat him up "back in the day" and once in that arc because he had his heart. Afterwards Law chopped him in two because he thought Law still wouldn't be able to cut him. Grave mistake on his part.

 

[NarutoBestFanboy]

As I usually say, I think he can defend himself versus an Admiral now, but he's nowhere close to beating one yet.

I think Luffy has surpassed Ace, and is slightly behind Doflamingo. It seems like Luffy has a lot of opponents in the Dressrosa arc, but I'm expecting it to end with a fight between Luffy and Doflamingo.

This is my ranking:

Luffy
Doflamingo
Marco/other 1st Mates
Admirals
Akainu
Yonkos

I think each individual Yonko's strength differs depending on their crew.
Remember, this list is subject to change as people might become stronger(Blackbeard and Akainu), and most likely we will meet new and strong characters along the way that Luffy has to rise up to the challenge to fight as well.

I somewhat agree with this but Donflamingo may be as strong as some 1st mates.

 

[Pervy Wrath]

I somewhat agree with this but Donflamingo may be as strong as some 1st mates.

Yeah, it's open to interpretation. I'm only speculating on how strong they are right now. I don't think all of them are at Marco's level. I only think the Yonkos are even in combined forces anyways. Shanks has a small crew, so all of them are probably ridiculously strong. Kaidou has an army of 500 Zoan users, so he's probably a little bit weaker and so on. So the same probably applies to the 1st Mates.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

It says remember what happened "back in the day". That doesn't mean it's the same arc. Also If you check the page before Vergo beating Law, Law was on his knees before vergo stepped out, because Vergo had his heart. Vergo only beat him up "back in the day" and once in that arc because he had his heart. Afterwards Law chopped him in two because he thought Law still wouldn't be able to cut him. Grave mistake on his part.

a mistake doesnt make someone stronger or weaker , you clearly only read the pages and not what i said , i think that the low difficulty victory for vergo (even if he had laws heart) proves my point (especially as if law is as strong as you claim he is he should still win with vergo squeezing his heart) you overrate law and luffy to the point you make them out to be invincible

Yeah, it's open to interpretation. I'm only speculating on how strong they are right now. I don't think all of them are at Marco's level. I only think the Yonkos are even in combined forces anyways. Shanks has a small crew, so all of them are probably ridiculously strong. Kaidou has an army of 500 Zoan users, so he's probably a little bit weaker and so on. So the same probably applies to the 1st Mates.

pre TS WB pirates solo

 

[Pervy Wrath]

pre TS WB pirates solo

Solos who?

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Solos who?

don't know , too be honest i just randomly posted it , i didn't think it through did i?

 

[Pervy Wrath]

don't know , too be honest i just randomly posted it , i didn't think it through did i?

Hahaha xD No, don't think you did.