Boston bombers framed??

[novacore]

Im not one for conspiracies really but it does seem weird that a lot of callers that "know" the suspect all agree that they seemed like very nice people. When asked, all answered that they had no idea that they would be capable of bombing the marathon.

Amidst pressure to blame a suspect to appease the nation, it could be possible that the fbi or whoever with the power would stage or frame these guys to satisfy the public. When they "found" the suspects, they predictably used words like "radical" and "Muslim" and they oh so predictably had to be russian or w/e. People that are not born U.S. citizens.

The fbi even say there is information that they have on the suspects that they cannot reveal to the public. Now i know that could be to make sure the suspects dont find out what info the fbi has on them, but whether that person is being framed or not, they are probably freaking the fk out and scrambling to figure out what to do. That info they hold could actually help them out if the public knew.

There was apparently a 200 round +explosives fight last night between the two suspects and the police. Im surprised really that just because they used kitchen-ware to make a homemade explosive that they would have tons more already cooked up at their hideout. The explosives were apparently thrown. Really? they must have been grenades or something because the explosives they used were pressure steel pots that need to build up to explode. So not only would it take a good while to explode, they would have to chuck the heavy ass pot 50 feet+ from their hide out to the police. i doubt it. and if they had grenades, why go make the home made explosives?

200 rounds were traded between them? Thats a lot of 2 people against a small army. Not only should they have been surrounded, they shouldnt have been even capable of shooting back. What with the flash bombs and mustard gas the police should have used or the back up ambushing the suspects.

Somehow, the 19 year old got away....From the hundreds of police. Not only that, the news keeps saying that the older brother got ran over by the younger brother to get away but then they keep changing it to the older brother died in the gun fire. Come on, stay with one fake story please.

But honestly, none of us know exactly whats going on since all we know is what we are told. So who knows. They could really be the suspects that did this, or they could not. Just don't instantly believe EVERYTHING you hear without at least giving some thought and question to it. Either way, hope this sht gets solved and dealt with.

 

[Dreckerplayer]

The psychics were right,

An event that takes place in april will be remembered throughout history...*sigh*(Or maybe it hasn't happened yet?)

This is no where near as intense as 9/11.

 

[itachifan7]

The psychics were right,

An event that takes place in april will be remembered throughout history...*sigh*(Or maybe it hasn't happened yet?)

This is no where near as intense as 9/11.

yeah but it is still tragic

 

[Oneandonlycopyninja]

I just hope they find the 19 year old and get this straight. Too many people are hurt.

 

[Arugon]

I trust the government and media as far as I can throw them...
YourAnonNews is my favorite and in my opinion the best source of news because they keep it real.

 

[novacore]

well i guess hes not dead

 

[Aim64C]

If you were to interview people who knew me - most would say they couldn't see me being part of the military. Not having it in me to kill another person. Etc. Etc.

People see largely what they want to in others; not what really is.

I really don't understand why people choose to believe it would be difficult for a person. He's 19 years old. For a lot of people, they still have yet to fully comprehend how their choices are going to effect their future reality. They aren't focused on "people are going to die" and "the droves of people I did not kill will be out for my blood." They are thinking of the excitement of doing something big and perhaps fulfilling some sense of duty.

It doesn't require much at all to build a bomb, take it to a public area, set it down, and blow it up. It's a relatively simple process that only requires you to not see those you're about to kill as people (even if only for just the time it takes to push the button).

 

[novacore]

If you were to interview people who knew me - most would say they couldn't see me being part of the military. Not having it in me to kill another person. Etc. Etc.

People see largely what they want to in others; not what really is.

I really don't understand why people choose to believe it would be difficult for a person. He's 19 years old. For a lot of people, they still have yet to fully comprehend how their choices are going to effect their future reality. They aren't focused on "people are going to die" and "the droves of people I did not kill will be out for my blood." They are thinking of the excitement of doing something big and perhaps fulfilling some sense of duty.

It doesn't require much at all to build a bomb, take it to a public area, set it down, and blow it up. It's a relatively simple process that only requires you to not see those you're about to kill as people (even if only for just the time it takes to push the button).

Im not saying its impossible for someone that people perceive as kind to do something like this, just its unusual. Its possible. Im just trying to say to keep an open mind about it. Look at everything and just dont accept things so easily as fact without concrete evidence.

About the bomb, i was talking about on the spot bombs that can be used as a thrown grenade. Since apparently explosives were used by the suspects DURING the fire fight last night. Not the steel pressure pot that was planted and set off moments later.

Not saying they can't make grenade like bombs. But it just seems like the media or police were trying to make more connections between the victims and the bombing by stating that not only a bullets were fired, but grenade like bombs were used during the firefight. Which in the minds of simple people just remind them of the bomb that detonated first in the pot. Bringing similarities like that help people accept things like that easier and justify the police using force so soon.

Im going to basic in fort leonardwood, missouri in a week. I will be an MP. Im just trying to be open minded. Its possible everything we have heard about this situation is completely true, its possible that some of it could be fabricated.

 

[Exaar]

This is murica we're talking about, I wouldn't put anything past their government.

 

[Cursed Prince]

I thought that was weird to, how he somehow escaped, and wasn't chased. I dont really know what to believe. I dont care if he did it or not, I want someone to pay. My sister was at the college they may or may not have killed a police officer, the same day my sister was there. If he had done it earlier, who knows?

 

[Genjitxu]

We can ask him ourselves now because we just caught the suspect hiding under a boat

 

[novacore]

I thought that was weird to, how he somehow escaped, and wasn't chased. I dont really know what to believe. I dont care if he did it or not, I want someone to pay. My sister was at the college they may or may not have killed a police officer, the same day my sister was there. If he had done it earlier, who knows?

i understand how you feel but to just want someone to pay is what pressures the law to just accuse someone or the media to just accuse someone and ruin someones reputation even if they are not guilty. (although they could be guilty, just cant point fingers at anyone. get the facts first.)

 

[Jin Hayami]

They did it.
You may not trust the government but the signs were posted on Facebook/Twitter or whatever.
This is the same way everyone thought at Columbine. Nobody could believe it.
Look there are a lot of unstable people out there. A lot of foreigners come to America and between cultural differences and most obviously their accents a lot of them have trouble fitting in. This predisposes them to the solitary and angry lifestyle that can lead to acts of violence.
As for the brother getting run over its not that hard to imagine that while running to the vehicle or taking cover behind it the younger one accidently hit the gas when he wasn't supposed to and hit him. Then it would have been pretty easy for the cops to light him up.
As for their escape. They were throwing explosives at the cops and shooting at them. Hard to drive, avoid bombs, and take cover from bullets at the same time. Doubt there were hundreds of cops involved either. Oh and did I mention a lot of cops suck at their jobs?
All these people they keep interviewing don't really seem like close friends to me. More like coworkers and acquaintances. When you know someone to a degree like that it's easy to think they're just regular people. Their father is clearly in denial about the younger son thinking its a set up. Odd he didn't say anything about his older son. Their jncle just kind of disowned them on the spot. Pretty cold but gives you some insight on how they're family might have been.
But most of this is assumptions. Eventually a psychologist will analyze them. Also wouldn't be surprised if the kid confessed on the spot. That would kind of put down any legitimate concerns of a conspiracy wouldn't it?

 

[phoenixforcexD]

Im gonna continue with this if you dont mind ^_^ and add on lol

The suspect seems pretty similar to James Holmes (the guy who claims to have killed 70 or so ppl in a movie theater). Think about it, they both have a connection with some one was in the CIA...James father and apparently for this guy its Bin Laden..?
They're pretty nice guys too and not to mention smart. Another thing, the boat, doesn't it seem weird how they wont just take it out..like someone died there and it had an explosive
Both these investigations had no reall closing also never been completely detailed.
Also, FAMILY GUY! edited video showed Peter trying to win the Boston Marathon and uses his cellphone to trigger 3 bombs! One month later, THIS actually happens. Now the episode is off the internet..hm..
I can honestly say...I think there might be another one coming..just to sum up everything in their case


I suggest watching this conspiracy cause it really goes in detail what the goverment, fbi, cia, etc. and how they actually contributed greatly to the James Holmes act, really interesting too:

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try finding it somewhere else if you cant watch it here or just really interested lol

like novacore said! dont believe everything you hear

 

[Aim64C]

Im not saying its impossible for someone that people perceive as kind to do something like this, just its unusual. Its possible. Im just trying to say to keep an open mind about it. Look at everything and just dont accept things so easily as fact without concrete evidence.

It's not necessarily unusual for people to say things like this. People who kill have a predator's mentality. Learning to be an MP, you'll learn that the only difference between you and guys like these is that you make the conscious decision to remain on the 'side of society.'

They realize that they can say and do things to get what they want - they're manipulative and usually somewhat intelligent. They know how to make themselves acceptable and presentable in society, and how to get people to think what they want them to.

About the bomb, i was talking about on the spot bombs that can be used as a thrown grenade. Since apparently explosives were used by the suspects DURING the fire fight last night. Not the steel pressure pot that was planted and set off moments later.

I would need a bit more information to start to make any kind of accurate speculation - but home-made explosives are not at all difficult to manufacture.

Stump remover at walmart (about $6 a pound) is Potassium Nitrate - a potent oxidizer. These substances can't be realistically controlled - not and have a functional social and industrial sector. Mixing this with a source of carbon (a popular one is sugar) can be used to create crystals suitable for rocketry... or bombs....

Making tactical explosives out of this would be a little difficult and ineffective by today's standards - but could be done. Of course - creating the powder isn't necessary when one could simply take apart shotgun shells that contain the explosive, igniter, and shrapnel elements. Using a toilet paper roll as a starting point, you could cap both ends and use resin saturated paper to make a cheap but effective composite and etch it to fail around the center.

Their urban environment is part of the reason they were not nearly as effective as they could have been. They didn't have the ability to test their devices - both to come up with better designs and to have a better idea of what to expect from their use.

Not saying they can't make grenade like bombs. But it just seems like the media or police were trying to make more connections between the victims and the bombing by stating that not only a bullets were fired, but grenade like bombs were used during the firefight. Which in the minds of simple people just remind them of the bomb that detonated first in the pot. Bringing similarities like that help people accept things like that easier and justify the police using force so soon.

*shrug* That's specious reasoning.

Seeing them in the videos is enough for me to accept that they are key suspects - as well as for most reasonable people on the planet. I would expect that these individuals were prepared to resist capture. That means firearms. The home made explosives aren't really surprising - but these guys went a little above and beyond the average in that regard.

Im going to basic in fort leonardwood, missouri in a week. I will be an MP. Im just trying to be open minded. Its possible everything we have heard about this situation is completely true, its possible that some of it could be fabricated.

Fort Lost in the Woods is okay. That's around the area where I grew up (a wee little truck stop town called Sullivan). If you get the opportunity - go see some of the caves and see if MWR sponsors any float trips down the Meramek river. Rainbow trout fishing is rather popular, and the Conservation Department occasionally holds competitions by releasing tagged fish from the hatcheries. St. James (a ways north) has a winery that is relatively popular and would be worth taking a trip to.

But when it comes down to stuff like this... for it to be a conspiracy on the order that you're suggesting... just requires too many people involved to be in on it. From the dozens of officers involved in making the arrest, the hundreds working on the case, the unknowable number of media interests....

They all have to be very willing to 'go with' letting the person who really bombed their town go free. You have to be willing to accept that information is so compartmentalized and controlled by one interest.... or that all of these people are somehow exceptionally corrupt.

You'll understand a bit more when you get into boot and you see and get to know the people you are working with... and realize that people just like that go to work in local police forces, the FBI, etc all over. Sure - there's corruption - there are abuses of authority... but in cases like this, for them to be a 'frame' or 'coverup' requires you to be able to look at the guys around you and say: "Yeah, they would all sell their souls for a bag of cookies."

 

[Shinobi Train]

No, they're the guilty party. I suspect that the whole family was in on it, the father or the uncle was the ring leader. You see, the way these people work is they lie to your face in the name of Allah, so to them it's okay because the Imam told them they had to.

Islam may not be an evil religion, but just like Christianity it allows for evil with the wrong leaders. People need to switch their mindset from "war on terror", to what it is, war against Islam. You might think me cold for saying that, but I gotta' say, it's a really dumb time to be Muslim...I strongly suggest a religion switch because it won't be long before Muslims will simply be executed on sight. Either that or keep it very well hidden.

I see it coming, and it will be straight out Islam vs everyone else...and when the shit hits the fan, history has proven that everyone else wins, not the group that's trying to take over. The lines between Islam and terrorism are non-existent at this point, but no one wants to take note of that fact.

 

[Professor Finesser]

Yeah I'm suprised nobody said "Deidara was the cause of Boston bombing" but yeah I hate this era I mean there where like no terrorist acts before 9/11 in the US

 

[Dantee]

As an American I would have to say America is easily one of the most corrupt governments in all of history. Americans are to distracted by trying to fit in and be socialized that the government can get away with anything they want....The media is nothing, but a distraction. People need to wake up and look whats happening around them.

 

[Shinobi Train]

As an American I would have to say America is easily one of the most corrupt governments in all of history. Americans are to distracted by trying to fit in and be socialized that the government can get away with anything they want....The media is nothing, but a distraction. People need to wake up and look whats happening around them.

Devil's Advocate is one of my nicknames. To me, both sides are wrong. With that in mind, let me present the other side that's wrong.

I know some people in politics. I know people that are in the military. I work with people that work with political candidates. A large part of my family has connections and knows a lot of people, I probably don't even know how far it reaches even. The one constant though is that all the people in politics are just people like you and me.

They have families, they have social lives, they have more pressure on them than the average person, and they have to truly believe in what they're doing to muster the strength to make it happen each day. These people care about what kind of world their kids grow up in, I doubt they'd see it screwed up for some greedy agenda. Maybe a couple, but most are going to do what they feel is right.

To say they're corrupt is so incredibly ignorant it boggles the mind. Yet so many people believe that. What it is is an excuse to blame someone else for why their lives are shit...when in reality their lives are crappy, or at least not awesome, due to themselves. You can't blame someone else for being a loser. I'm not saying you or anyone else is a loser, but don't blame someone else because you aren't filthy rich is what I'm saying. -_^

 

[Cloudbuster]

People in question here are not really Russians, but Chechens. Their terrorist attacks were usually aimed at Russia so far, but they have close connections with Al Qaeda and some of them were trained in their camps in Afghanistan before the US invasion, after which the surviving members where imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay.
As for the OP's question, guess we'll never know the answer.