General Football Debates!

[darthvader5666]

I'd say Bayern vs Barca is pretty much a 50/50 tbh. Remember, Messi was out for most of the tie against PSG (which is why Barca struggled, they were much better as soon as Messi came on). And before you say "that just means Barca are a one man team," etc, etc, I doubt Real Madrid (for example) would have done much better without Ronaldo. Or PSG without Ibra. Or Bayern without Schweinsteiger or Ribery. Hell, we already saw that against Arsenal, and we all know how well they did.

I'm confident that with Messi playing, Barca will do much better against Bayern than they did against PSG. Barca have the best midfield and (IMO) attack in the world (the attack is dependent on Messi, but when he plays, it's the best one in the world IMO). Not to mention 3 all-time greats, one of whom is said by some to be THE greatest player to have ever played the game. And from what I hear, Bayern play a possession style, which IMO suits Barca as opposed to the counter-attacking style of Dortmund or Real Madrid. However, Barca do have a bad defense, which could cost them. And I could definitely see Barca needing a moment of individual brilliance (probably by Messi) to go through. I definitely wouldn't write Barca off though.

Like I said, I think it's a 50/50. Maybe a 45/55 or something. No clear favorites here IMO.

 

[-God of War-]

I'd say Bayern vs Barca is pretty much a 50/50 tbh. Remember, Messi was out for most of the tie against PSG (which is why Barca struggled, they were much better as soon as Messi came on). And before you say "that just means Barca are a one man team," etc, etc, I doubt Real Madrid (for example) would have done much better without Ronaldo. Or PSG without Ibra. Or Bayern without Schweinsteiger or Ribery. Hell, we already saw that against Arsenal, and we all know how well they did.

I'm confident that with Messi playing, Barca will do much better against Bayern than they did against PSG. Barca have the best midfield and (IMO) attack in the world (the attack is dependent on Messi, but when he plays, it's the best one in the world IMO). However, Barca do have a bad defense, which could cost them. I definitely wouldn't write Barca off though.

Like I said, I think it's a 50/50. Maybe a 45/55 or something. No clear favorites here IMO.

Actually Messi is the only player that keeps Barcelona champions. CR7 is the only player that keeps Real Madrid one of the best teams.
If you look at Bayern, they don't have only one player that keeps them champions. They have Schweinsteiger, Ribery, Robben, Lahm, etc. They don't have a key player. They are equal in the game. I think you understand what I'm saying.
''We alredi saw dat agunst Asrunawl!'' Oh really? You saw the amazing 3-1 victroy? About the 2-0 lose, Bayern didn't played that bad. Arsenla's goals were cheap. Hands down.
Also, did you saw the Bayern-Juventus quarter-final? Winning both matches with a clean sheet and dominated against Juve on both games.
Bayern also has one of the best midfield and attacks too.
I agree. No clear favorites. But Bayern are in the best form lately.
Barcelona lost against Real Madrid this session serval times. Right?

 

[darthvader5666]

Actually Messi is the only player that keeps Barcelona champions. CR7 is the only player that keeps Real Madrid one of the best teams.
If you look at Bayern, they don't have only one player that keeps them champions. They have Schweinsteiger, Ribery, Robben, Lahm, etc. They don't have a key player. They are equal in the game. I think you understand what I'm saying.
''We alredi saw dat agunst Asrunawl!'' Oh really? You saw the amazing 3-1 victroy? About the 2-0 lose, Bayern didn't played that bad. Arsenla's goals were cheap. Hands down.
Also, did you saw the Bayern-Juventus quarter-final? Winning both matches with a clean sheet and dominated against Juve on both games.
Bayern also has one of the best midfield and attacks too.
I agree. No clear favorites. But Bayern are in the best form lately.
Barcelona lost against Real Madrid this session serval times. Right?

You did quite poorly against Arsenal without Schweinsteiger and Ribery in the second leg. But fair enough, I do agree that you don't rely as much on one player as much as, say, Real or Barca do. Thing is though, a lot of people are basing Barca's chances against Bayern on their performance against PSG, which I'd say is quite wrong considering their best player barely played in that tie. And when people point that out, Barca are a "one man team, thererefore they'll lose." Or something like that.

It's like basing Bayern's chances on how they performed in the second leg against Arsenal without Schweinsteiger and Ribery. And when someone points that out, saying "well, Bayern rely too much on 1/2 players, therefore they'll lose."

IMO, people are underestimating Barca a little. Like both of us said, it'll probably be a 50/50. Should be a great tie IMO. Looking forward to it.

 

[Crocodile]

You did quite poorly against Arsenal without Schweinsteiger and Ribery in the second leg. But fair enough, I do agree that you don't rely as much on one player as much as, say, Real or Barca do. Thing is though, a lot of people are basing Barca's chances against Bayern on their performance against PSG, which I'd say is quite wrong considering their best player barely played in that tie. And when people point that out, Barca are a "one man team, thererefore they'll lose." Or something like that.

It's like basing Bayern's chances on how they performed in the second leg against Arsenal without Schweinsteiger and Ribery. And when someone points that out, saying "well, Bayern rely too much on 1/2 players, therefore they'll lose."

IMO, people are underestimating Barca a little. Like both of us said, it'll probably be a 50/50. Should be a great tie IMO. Looking forward to it.

People aren't underestimating Barca, from what we've all seen, not just the PSG leg's but their past matches they have been doing very poorly.
I think this is because of Guardiola not being there, with Tito it's just not as good, I mean, the guy doesnt even show up to the games.
I think barcelona will lose to bayern, maybe they'll pull some miracle and win.

As to dortmund vs real, people are seriously thinking because they lost that one game that they will lose now, I don't know about you guys but I think real madrid has improved a looooooooot.

Good luck barcelona, you're gonna need it.

 

[Vincent Pryce]

People aren't underestimating Barca, from what we've all seen, not just the PSG leg's but their past matches they have been doing very poorly.
I think this is because of Guardiola not being there, with Tito it's just not as good, I mean, the guy doesnt even show up to the games.
I think barcelona will lose to bayern, maybe they'll pull some miracle and win.

As to dortmund vs real, people are seriously thinking because they lost that one game that they will lose now, I don't know about you guys but I think real madrid has improved a looooooooot.

Good luck barcelona, you're gonna need it.

It's not that Barca is being underestimated, it's just that people have unreasonable high expectations of Barca. They haven't been doing very poorly at all. They are dominating in the La Liga, again, and they are in the CL semi-finals, again. I've never thought that having a different coach will make much of a impact and I still don't. In the end, it's the players on the field that have to do it. I'm still giving Barca the advantage over Bayern. Although, it's a very slim one. Anyway, this will be a great game.

As for Real Madrid - Dortmund, I'm definitely giving Real the advantage here. Real has been playing on this stage for years and have an overall better team than Dortmund. While Dortmund has been doing great for a couple of years now, their team still is fairly new to this stage and there a lot of unexperienced players that may have a hard time coping with this pressure and playing against such teams as Madrid. I highly doubt that they will win.

 

[ReLax -]

People aren't underestimating Barca, from what we've all seen, not just the PSG leg's but their past matches they have been doing very poorly.
I think this is because of Guardiola not being there, with Tito it's just not as good, I mean, the guy doesnt even show up to the games.
I think barcelona will lose to bayern, maybe they'll pull some miracle and win.

As to dortmund vs real, people are seriously thinking because they lost that one game that they will lose now, I don't know about you guys but I think real madrid has improved a looooooooot.

Good luck barcelona, you're gonna need it.

Roura has made some mistakes with the line up, as far as Tito goes he's battling with Cancer and still tries to make appearance when he should be with his family. He was in NY for some treatments, but now is back. Barcelona aren't the team they were before you're right, but tell me do you think either Bayern/Madrid would've been here with that same defence Barcelona has? I don't think so, and Barcelona play DM as CB as well a lot, who are more attack minded and make a lot of mistakes. That is what separates Barcelona with the rest.

As far as RM VS Dortmund goes, its try RM have found that same performances from last year, but you can't just write Dortmund off. They're the only undefeated team in the CL and topped the group of death and have won all their games at home (I don't think have even drew one). It'll be a good encounter some both are top notch counter attacking team and pretty much have lost their leagues as well.

Barcelona VS Bayern will be a cracker. Two teams who like to battle it out possession wise and play attacking football. It will be an interesting encounter. I feel honoured with this encounter and I hope we don't put up the same performance against Milan/PSG, or else Bayern will put our backs against the wall. Bayern may have the edge, but writing off Blaugrana is one thing they won't want to do.

 

[darthvader5666]

Roura has made some mistakes with the line up, as far as Tito goes he's battling with Cancer and still tries to make appearance when he should be with his family. He was in NY for some treatments, but now is back. Barcelona aren't the team they were before you're right, but tell me do you think either Bayern/Madrid would've been here with that same defence Barcelona has? I don't think so, and Barcelona play DM as CB as well a lot, who are more attack minded and make a lot of mistakes. That is what separates Barcelona with the rest.

As far as RM VS Dortmund goes, its try RM have found that same performances from last year, but you can't just write Dortmund off. They're the only undefeated team in the CL and topped the group of death and have won all their games at home (I don't think have even drew one). It'll be a good encounter some both are top notch counter attacking team and pretty much have lost their leagues as well.

Barcelona VS Bayern will be a cracker. Two teams who like to battle it out possession wise and play attacking football. It will be an interesting encounter. I feel honoured with this encounter and I hope we don't put up the same performance against Milan/PSG, or else Bayern will put our backs against the wall. Bayern may have the edge, but writing off Blaugrana is one thing they won't want to do.

Like I said, I don't think either team has the edge. Barca have the best midfield and attack in the world (even though the attack is dependent on Messi, it's still the best in the world when he plays IMO). Plus Bayern play possession football, which suits Barca, as opposed to the counter-attacking style of Madrid or Dortmund. Bayern, on the other hand, have a better defense and GK. It's a 50/50 IMO. I agree that it'll be a cracker though.

As for Barca's recent performances, I'd say they've been all right considering La Liga is basically done, and their last CL match with Messi playing the full game was the 4-0 against Milan. They certainly aren't as bad as they were in February.

 

[Uchiha seeker]

I just wanted to watch Bayern vs Barca gonna be epic!

 

[SixPathsOfTobi]

Ajax champions!! 3 times in a row.
Frank de Boer hero

 

[Grim]

Because of the weak defense Barcelona is forced to hold back and defend more with midfield, but I'm 99% sure that Barcelona will fire when it matters the most. Real Madrid is in top form? in which game? Real Madrid is anti Barcelona, they can give beautiful game against us but suffer against clubs such as Bayern, ManU, Juve and so on.

I don't understand why Real Madrid fans are such a cu*t's towards FCB here and everywhere else. Good luck to ALL 4 teams RM included :bouncy:

 

[ReLax -]

Because of the weak defense Barcelona is forced to hold back and defend more with midfield, but I'm 99% sure that Barcelona will fire when it matters the most. Real Madrid is in top form? in which game? Real Madrid is anti Barcelona, they can give beautiful game against us but suffer against clubs such as Bayern, ManU, Juve and so on.

I don't understand why Real Madrid fans are such a cu*t's towards FCB here and everywhere else. Good luck to ALL 4 teams RM included :bouncy:

TBF, Barcelona fans are no better.

 

[Grim]

TBF, Barcelona fans are no better.

oh trust me, if Bayern will be dominating for next two years, they will jump off the bench for good :bouncy:

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

actually ever since Pep was announced as the next coach of bayern, the glory hunters already set their eyes on Bayern all that left is for the team to win a treble and bayern page/website will be full of bandwagoners .....

PS: am actually an ex Bayern fans

 

[Itachi Minato]

Because of the weak defense Barcelona is forced to hold back and defend more with midfield, but I'm 99% sure that Barcelona will fire when it matters the most. Real Madrid is in top form? in which game? Real Madrid is anti Barcelona, they can give beautiful game against us but suffer against clubs such as Bayern, ManU, Juve and so on.

I don't understand why Real Madrid fans are such a cu*t's towards FCB here and everywhere else. Good luck to ALL 4 teams RM included :bouncy:

Lol that argument goes against both sides. RM fans hate barca and talk shit about it and the same vice versa.

 

[-God of War-]

Tonight Bayern will try to go to the final of the DFB Pokal, after winning the Bundesliga. Their goal this session is to win everything the can!

Bayern - Wolfsburg (16 April 2013 - 20:30 AM local time) Semi-finals of DFB Pokal

Bayern's treble victory dream has a lot of more work left. After winning the BundesLiga, they will try to make another top performance against Wolfsburg to go to the final of the DFB Pokal, as they are favorites of winning this competition too.
In their last two meetings in the BundesLiga this session (Bayern 3-0 and 2-0 win) Wolfsburg should try to reach the best to score at least 1 goal. Bayern should be careful too.
The other semi-final is VfB Stuttgart - SC Freiburg (17 April 2013)

 

[Luther]

Barcelona Vs Bayern Munich

This match is one where the favorites tag doesn't come in as i see there being no favorite in this encounter. Bayern munich have been on a good form they are probably the most in form team in europe now but don't forget that these is a bayern team with flaws too. This is the same side who lost by a two goal deficit to a team like arsenal[struggling to finish top four] and were only saved on away goals rule. This is also the team unlike barcelona that has no definite number 9 capable of turning around matches let us all be honest the gomez of last season is a shadow of himself this season and mandzukic though good isnt that player which you can turn to for a piece of individual brilliance to turn around a game. This is also a side who lost in their own home to a team who were underdogs through out and couldn't even make top four finish in their own league, bastien for me is the key to bayern success or should i say one of the major reasons to their success his style of play just makes martinez and the other midfielders qualities come out and for me he is the main man barcelona defense need to stop if they should try to find the upper hand against bayern munich. Looking at it head to head bayern mainly outclasses barcelona in the defense where we are seriously lacking with qualities players in their disposal such as alaba, dante and lahm along with neur. To any one who has declared barcelona underdogs and written them off should rethink that decision,mind you this is the same barcelona side that overturned a 2-0 deficit against a top side such as Milan , that finished top of their group and has kept clean sheet in the last 3 la liga games. Underestimating us would be unwise this is the same and only team to enter the champions league semi final for 6 consecutive seasons winning three out of those six. True our dependency on lionel messi is a little too much but we have other world class players such as xavi and iniesta who on their best days as seen in the 2nd leg against Milan are capable of turning around a match. The match would be an intriguing encounter and one for the ages and surely i think the confidence gotten from winning this match for which ever side it would be would take them all the way to wembly to lift the trophy in may. Also people say that barcelona has had a dip in form and we need guordiola back ,mind you this is the barcelona team that last year failed to defend their la liga and champions league title and lost out to real madrid and chealsea respectively. Whereas this year in the history of laliga was the best ever start to a season for barcelona we have more than likely reclaimed our league title and if we can reach the final it means we have done better than last year when we ere under guordiola so whats all this nonsense about dip in form without guordiola and us needing him? Barca Is still Barcelona

 

[-God of War-]

Barcelona Vs Bayern Munich

This match is one where the favorites tag doesn't come in as i see there being no favorite in this encounter. Bayern munich have been on a good form they are probably the most in form team in europe now but don't forget that these is a bayern team with flaws too. This is the same side who lost by a two goal deficit to a team like arsenal[struggling to finish top four] and were only saved on away goals rule. This is also the team unlike barcelona that has no definite number 9 capable of turning around matches let us all be honest the gomez of last season is a shadow of himself this season and mandzukic though good isnt that player which you can turn to for a piece of individual brilliance to turn around a game. This is also a side who lost in their own home to a team who were underdogs through out and couldn't even make top four finish in their own league, bastien for me is the key to bayern success or should i say one of the major reasons to their success his style of play just makes martinez and the other midfielders qualities come out and for me he is the main man barcelona defense need to stop if they should try to find the upper hand against bayern munich. Looking at it head to head bayern mainly outclasses barcelona in the defense where we are seriously lacking with qualities players in their disposal such as alaba, dante and lahm along with neur. To any one who has declared barcelona underdogs and written them off should rethink that decision,mind you this is the same barcelona side that overturned a 2-0 deficit against a top side such as Milan , that finished top of their group and has kept clean sheet in the last 3 la liga games. Underestimating us would be unwise this is the same and only team to enter the champions league semi final for 6 consecutive seasons winning three out of those six. True our dependency on lionel messi is a little too much but we have other world class players such as xavi and iniesta who on their best days as seen in the 2nd leg against Milan are capable of turning around a match. The match would be an intriguing encounter and one for the ages and surely i think the confidence gotten from winning this match for which ever side it would be would take them all the way to wembly to lift the trophy in may. Also people say that barcelona has had a dip in form and we need guordiola back ,mind you this is the barcelona team that last year failed to defend their la liga and champions league title and lost out to real madrid and chealsea respectively. Whereas this year in the history of laliga was the best ever start to a season for barcelona we have more than likely reclaimed our league title and if we can reach the final it means we have done better than last year when we ere under guordiola so whats all this nonsense about dip in form without guordiola and us needing him? Barca Is still Barcelona

Wow...it's weird how every Italian, Spanish, English fan keeps saying ''Bayern blah blah lost 2-0 against arsenal blah blah''. Yes we know that Bayern lost the 2nd leg 2-0 against a team like Arsenal but you haven't seen the game. Bayern played good, created chances a lot and had the ball more than Arsenal. Bayern's form, just...wasn't good. They knew they are better, so they thought it will be easy.

Thunderbolt, if you want to compare Bayern's and Barca's form this session in the CL, you should look at the latest games. Barcelona's comeback against Milan was amazing, but Milan aren't a big team anymore. Even if Barca won the 2nd leg, they should feel ashamed that they lost 2-0 the 1st leg against Milan. (Skip the Round of 16 now)
Take a look at the Quarter-Finals! Bayern won both legs 2-0 against the best team in Italy, while Barca was having a bad time with PSG by only getting an equal result 2-2 and 1-1. Barcelona should feel lucky that they won on away goals.
It's hard to predict the result of this battle.

And now, Bayern won 6-1 against Wolfsburg in the DFB Pokal semi-final and goes to the final! After winning the BundesLiga, they go to the final of the DFB Pokal. The treble victory is getting closer.

 

[Grim]

Wow...it's weird how every Italian, Spanish, English fan keeps saying ''Bayern blah blah lost 2-0 against arsenal blah blah''. Yes we know that Bayern lost the 2nd leg 2-0 against a team like Arsenal but you haven't seen the game. Bayern played good, created chances a lot and had the ball more than Arsenal. Bayern's form, just...wasn't good. They knew they are better, so they thought it will be easy.

Thunderbolt, if you want to compare Bayern's and Barca's form this session in the CL, you should look at the latest games. Barcelona's comeback against Milan was amazing, but Milan aren't a big team anymore. Even if Barca won the 2nd leg, they should feel ashamed that they lost 2-0 the 1st leg against Milan. (Skip the Round of 16 now)
Take a look at the Quarter-Finals! Bayern won both legs 2-0 against the best team in Italy, while Barca was having a bad time with PSG by only getting an equal result 2-2 and 1-1. Barcelona should feel lucky that they won on away goals.
It's hard to predict the result of this battle.

And now, Bayern won 6-1 against Wolfsburg in the DFB Pokal semi-final and goes to the final! After winning the BundesLiga, they go to the final of the DFB Pokal. The treble victory is getting closer.

Don't underestimate PSG i'm pretty sure that PSG could give a good fight to any top European club...they have everything to beat Barca, RM, ManU, Bayern and so on, Ancelotti is brilliant Coach and with Ibra, Lucas Moura, Pastore, Silva, Lavezzi it's only a matter of time that people will give them more credit

 

[ReLax -]

In a week, or this weekend I have an interesting head to head and stats about Barcelona VS German clubs and a healthy relationship they share.

actually ever since Pep was announced as the next coach of bayern, the glory hunters already set their eyes on Bayern all that left is for the team to win a treble and bayern page/website will be full of bandwagoners .....

PS: am actually an ex Bayern fans

WTF? You a were a Bayern fan? How many clubs do you support.

 

[-God of War-]

Bayern 6-1 Wolfsburg

''FC Bayern Munich booked their place in the final of the DFB Cup for the fourth time in the last five seasons with a thumping 6-1 victory over a spirited but ultimately outclassed VfL Wolfsburg at the Allianz Arena.''

After winning the BundesLiga, bavarians go to the final of DFB Cup to finish this session with a treble! Still, their goal isn't secured yet.