Possible Timeline Plothole

[NarutoKage2]

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Before you jump on my d!ck and decry that 'kishi can never make a mistake, stop being so butthurt', etc, read the motha fcking thread first, and if you're just gonna troll with some BS, do it in another thread, your not welcome here.

Now, to the topic. Some recent posts happened to be an occasion for me to study the timeline, and i found some serious flaws in it. This thread focuses on just one, the age of Itachi during the Uchiha clan massacre, to be specific.

At the time of his death, Itachi's age was stated to be 21 years.

Part 1 was 3 (some say 2 1/2)years before that. Meaning Itachi was 18 back then.

First off, Orochimaru left Akatsuki when Itachi joined, because he basically defeated him and Oro could'nt stand it:

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But when exactly was this time that Orochimaru left the Akatsuki? The answer is given in these two panels, the first is a scan from part 1:

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Then in part 2 we're told:

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It had been 7 years since Oro left Akatsuki in part 1, and 10 years in part 2.(This also proves that the timeskip was in fact 3 years)

Anyway, part 2 Itachi was 21, part 1 he was 18 so:

21-10=11

18-7=11



He was 11 years old when Oro left Akatsuki. Many people say, that due to this evidence, he joined Akatsuki first, and carried out the massacre later. But what does Hiruzen say here:

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'After forcing him to kill his fellows, we accused him to be a traitor, and eventually even had him watch over Akatsuki alone.'

Meaning, first Itachi massacred the uchiha, left the village branded as a traitor, and THEN joined Akatsuki as a spy. And it was in Akatsuki that he dealt with Oro.

Oro left Akatsuki when Itachi was 11 years old. So Itachi had to have been younger when he was in Konoha, its a fact that he became a missing nin after slaughtering the uchiha.


But this page says:

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Itachi became leader(captain according to some translations) at the age of 13.

So, what he became a captain of the anbu two years after leaving Konoha and joining Akatsuki?

 

[pandu]

Where did it say that he was 21 yrs old when he died???
I can't remeber what chap.

 

[Yusuke Urameshi]

Eh, Kishi messed up. Good find, but this affects the story in no way.

 

[Kαmi]

Aw shit, that does look like a plot hole, unless there's some bad translations going on. Good find man.
Edit: This plot hole depends heavily on Itachi's age when he died. Can you provide evidence that he was 21? I could have sworn he was more than 5 years older than Sasuke.

 

[gas83091]

nice thread, i'm not sure it said he was 21 but if you give proof of that then i'd give you a solid A+

 

[Arian]

his dying age was mentioned in some databook i think..and thats what messed it up. i always though he was like 13 during the akatsuki massacer...

 

[Sky99]

says he was 21 in part II on naruto wiki. nice find.

 

[CDT23]

This theory has been done before. but good explanations tho.

 

[pandu]

There is no solid proof as to the actual age at which he died.Judging from the manga images when sasuke was born,Itachi was considerably older than his 7 yr old self which is shown recently.I'd say he's atleast 3-4 yrs older.That makes him 11 yrs old when sasuke was born.The uchiha massacre happened when sasuke was 7 or 8 old.That means Itachi was about 20-21 yrs when he joined akatsuki.I guess this fits the time period in which he worked for anbu,the 2-3 yrs missing from the timeline.What'd you say??????

 

[kunlebade]

Nice find; I hope Mashashi gives an explanation though.

 

[Detective L]

Mm,nice find.I don't blame Kishi though.More than 600 chapters,its understandable.

 

[NarutoKage2]

Where did it say that he was 21 yrs old when he died???
I can't remeber what chap.

Aw shit, that does look like a plot hole, unless there's some bad translations going on. Good find man.
Edit: This plot hole depends heavily on Itachi's age when he died. Can you provide evidence that he was 21? I could have sworn he was more than 5 years older than Sasuke.

nice thread, i'm not sure it said he was 21 but if you give proof of that then i'd give you a solid A+

There is no solid proof as to the actual age at which he died.Judging from the manga images when sasuke was born,Itachi was considerably older than his 7 yr old self which is shown recently.I'd say he's atleast 3-4 yrs older.That makes him 11 yrs old when sasuke was born.The uchiha massacre happened when sasuke was 7 or 8 old.That means Itachi was about 20-21 yrs when he joined akatsuki.I guess this fits the time period in which he worked for anbu,the 2-3 yrs missing from the timeline.What'd you say??????

Its in the 3rd ninja databook written by kishi himself. It says Itachi was 21 in part 2 when he died.

The 2nd databook i believe said he was 18 in part 1 so we still have the same problem.

 

[AllseeingSharingan]

Well if what kakshi says is true then he joined the anbu at 13 and killed his clan shortly after. Cuz we know he was a double spy for the uchiha n anbu. If we say itachi was 23 when he died eveything adds up. But this effects the story in no way prolly poor translations

 

[Analon]

There is no solid proof as to the actual age at which he died.Judging from the manga images when sasuke was born,Itachi was considerably older than his 7 yr old self which is shown recently.I'd say he's atleast 3-4 yrs older.That makes him 11 yrs old when sasuke was born.The uchiha massacre happened when sasuke was 7 or 8 old.That means Itachi was about 20-21 yrs when he joined akatsuki.I guess this fits the time period in which he worked for anbu,the 2-3 yrs missing from the timeline.What'd you say??????

Totally agree. When we see Itachi and Sasuke during Kyuubi's attack, he looks atleast 10 years old.

 

[Itachi Edo]

I always took it as Itachi joined the group at 11 and stayed in the leaf for 2 years before going. It's possible that Hiruzen was only told just before. We don't know how Itachi was recruited, but with Danzo and the other elders there was no way in hell he could have joined before hand on their orders. Think about it, they chopped off the clan the first chance they got and were clueless that Fugaku was staging a revolt until Itachi told them. Danzo would have found out and went bat crazy.

I say Itachi kept being in a secret, played his cards close to his hand, and told them when he informed them about Fugaku. Then you could say they ordered him to stay in if you will, because he was already on his way out once he carried out the massacre.

 

[Itachi Solos]

Itachi > Timeline

 

[pandu]

I always took it as Itachi joined the group at 11 and stayed in the leaf for 2 years before going. It's possible that Hiruzen was only told just before. We don't know how Itachi was recruited, but with Danzo and the other elders there was no way in hell he could have joined before hand on their orders. Think about it, they chopped off the clan the first chance they got and were clueless that Fugaku was staging a revolt until Itachi told them. Danzo would have found out and went bat crazy.

I say Itachi kept being in a secret, played his cards close to his hand, and told them when he informed them about Fugaku. Then you could say they ordered him to stay in if you will, because he was already on his way out once he carried out the massacre.

Fair enough ^_^

 

[Wik]

This is indeed a plot hole, but it wont really bother me as it's not really relevant to the show.

 

[NarutoKage2]

I always took it as Itachi joined the group at 11 and stayed in the leaf for 2 years before going. It's possible that Hiruzen was only told just before. We don't know how Itachi was recruited, but with Danzo and the other elders there was no way in hell he could have joined before hand on their orders. Think about it, they chopped off the clan the first chance they got and were clueless that Fugaku was staging a revolt until Itachi told them. Danzo would have found out and went bat crazy.

I say Itachi kept being in a secret, played his cards close to his hand, and told them when he informed them about Fugaku. Then you could say they ordered him to stay in if you will, because he was already on his way out once he carried out the massacre.

I don't understand you.

 

[Kαmi]

I always took it as Itachi joined the group at 11 and stayed in the leaf for 2 years before going. It's possible that Hiruzen was only told just before. We don't know how Itachi was recruited, but with Danzo and the other elders there was no way in hell he could have joined before hand on their orders. Think about it, they chopped off the clan the first chance they got and were clueless that Fugaku was staging a revolt until Itachi told them. Danzo would have found out and went bat crazy.

I say Itachi kept being in a secret, played his cards close to his hand, and told them when he informed them about Fugaku. Then you could say they ordered him to stay in if you will, because he was already on his way out once he carried out the massacre.

Didn't think about this. It is possible that Itachi was with the Akatsuki sooner than what was revealed. He could have been apart of Konoha and the Akatsuki at the same time. But if not, then OP is right, it's definitely a pothole by like others above me have said, it's not a relevant one.