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[This is one of my less accredited Theories, its more of food for thought rather than a detailed explanation. Keep an open mind and enjoy the stay, once again there probably wont be anything conclusive said here but at the very least I feel I can make a reasonable case for what I am saying. And remember if you like it feel free to rep+comment 
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Upon reflecting on a question I stumbled upon something, admittedly not conclusive, but interesting nontheless. And even if I am wrong about the outcome the question itself is still one that I would like answered. This ones going to be short so grab a bag of chips, get a drink and enjoy.
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Upon reflecting on a question I stumbled upon something, admittedly not conclusive, but interesting nontheless. And even if I am wrong about the outcome the question itself is still one that I would like answered. This ones going to be short so grab a bag of chips, get a drink and enjoy.
The Question
Given the recent manga we have seen that Tobirama can also use S/T Jutsu. Which may I add was a jutsu that all Minato fanboys claimed Minato, AND MINATO ALONE, could use.
Given the fact that Tobirama could use S/T (Space-Time Jutsu AKA Flying Thunder God Technique) I have to ask... IF:
So then who taught Minato S/T Jutsu. Its pretty obvious that Tobirama, the inventor of Edo Tensie also created S/T Jutsu. (Side Note: And with him being its creator it logically follows that he would be the most skilled at the Jutsu or at the very least know all its secrets). But Tobirama would have died far before Minato would have been born. So then who taught it to Minato?
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Given the fact that Tobirama could use S/T (Space-Time Jutsu AKA Flying Thunder God Technique) I have to ask... IF:
- Tobirama Died during his time as a Hokage making young Hiruzen Hokage at his time of death.
- Hiruzen was sensie to Jiraiya, Tsunade and Orochimaru who are considerably older than Minato.
So then who taught Minato S/T Jutsu. Its pretty obvious that Tobirama, the inventor of Edo Tensie also created S/T Jutsu. (Side Note: And with him being its creator it logically follows that he would be the most skilled at the Jutsu or at the very least know all its secrets). But Tobirama would have died far before Minato would have been born. So then who taught it to Minato?
The Formula
Well to find out who this Mystery S/T User was I just used a basic formula. Whoever fit this formula would have the highest chance of being the mystery person who could have taught Minato S/T. (Granted the premise of this is that said person has already been introduced the the manga, which to me seems likely as Kishi probably wont trot in another powerful ninja just like that.)
Here is the formula:
Upon doing some thinking i found somebody who could fill this formula PERFECTLY
Here is the formula:
- Needed to be old enough to have learned the jutsu from Tobirama but lived long enough to have met Minato.
- Had to have known Minato or had some connection to him, which would help build the fact that he could be his mentor/teacher.
- Had to have been a powerful ninja as anyone with S/T would not only have been strong but well known much like Minato.
Upon doing some thinking i found somebody who could fill this formula PERFECTLY
The Answer
Sakumo Hatake [
!) Sakumo is old enough to have known Tobirama given that at the time of his death he was older if not the same age as Hiruzen. Thus making him old enough to have been taught the jutsu by Tobirama.
2) Sakumo Hatake fulfills the 2nd point of my formula with the following scan, inwhich you not only see that Minato knew Sakumo but showed detailed knowledge of what happened and baased on the story he tells he seems to sympathize with him.
With everyone turning on Sakumo one wonders why Minato didn't. Perhaps there was a relationship there, Teacher and Student even? Not to mention that he also wound up taking up his son as his pupil.. coincidence?
Dive into it a bit further and we see a kind of pattern here. White Fang teaches Minato, who teaches Kakashi (White Fangs son), who teaches Naruto (Minato's Son). In both cases the fathers die prematurely leaving the sons to fend for themselves at a young age and in both cases the sons forgive there fathers. Both fathers are regarded as heros and both sons regarded as prodigies carrying on there fathers legacy. The same legacy which wasnt acknowledged at first. In Naruto's case he did not know Minato was his father, in Kakashi's case he did not want to be seen as Sakumo's son.
3) Now before I talk about the Lore of the infamous "White Fang" I would like you to take a look at the following scans:
In the scans above we see 3 things that point to the fame of the "White Fang"
The main thing here is that these are all extremely powerful Shinobi, people who dont take the time to remember the names of Shinobi that are up to snuff. And each of them have never forgotten the "White Fang". This speaks to how strong he must have been for his name/fame to have no only be so widespread but so everlasting. But does that remind you of anyone else???
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].!) Sakumo is old enough to have known Tobirama given that at the time of his death he was older if not the same age as Hiruzen. Thus making him old enough to have been taught the jutsu by Tobirama.
2) Sakumo Hatake fulfills the 2nd point of my formula with the following scan, inwhich you not only see that Minato knew Sakumo but showed detailed knowledge of what happened and baased on the story he tells he seems to sympathize with him.
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With everyone turning on Sakumo one wonders why Minato didn't. Perhaps there was a relationship there, Teacher and Student even? Not to mention that he also wound up taking up his son as his pupil.. coincidence?
Dive into it a bit further and we see a kind of pattern here. White Fang teaches Minato, who teaches Kakashi (White Fangs son), who teaches Naruto (Minato's Son). In both cases the fathers die prematurely leaving the sons to fend for themselves at a young age and in both cases the sons forgive there fathers. Both fathers are regarded as heros and both sons regarded as prodigies carrying on there fathers legacy. The same legacy which wasnt acknowledged at first. In Naruto's case he did not know Minato was his father, in Kakashi's case he did not want to be seen as Sakumo's son.
3) Now before I talk about the Lore of the infamous "White Fang" I would like you to take a look at the following scans:
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In the scans above we see 3 things that point to the fame of the "White Fang"
- Chiyo seems to know the "White Fang" so much that she could recognize his face in kakashi decades after his death. So much so that she was willing to kill him on sight. This speaks to the power and the fame of the "White Fang"
- Oonoki recognized the last name "Hatake" as belonging to Sakumo and so when Gaara spoke of Kakashi Hatake Oonoki instantly questioned whether the two are related.
- Once again upon hearing the last name "Hatake" The firelord states that he must be the son of the "White Fang"
- The "White Fangs" fame was even so much that the Iwakagure Ninja hesitated to attack Kakashi after realizing that he might be his son.
The main thing here is that these are all extremely powerful Shinobi, people who dont take the time to remember the names of Shinobi that are up to snuff. And each of them have never forgotten the "White Fang". This speaks to how strong he must have been for his name/fame to have no only be so widespread but so everlasting. But does that remind you of anyone else???
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Conclusion
In conclusion I think that Sakumo Hatake could also use S/T Jutsu, I believed he learned it from Tobirama and was the person who taught Minato how to use it. [Even compare there nicknames... "White Fang" and "Yellow Flash"]
*And ofcourse that opens up some possibilities of Kakashi learning S/T*
*And ofcourse that opens up some possibilities of Kakashi learning S/T
*Update 1
Shout outs to Venuboppudi for pointing this out to me but in the following scan you see Tobirama refer to his technique as "Hiraishin". That is the EXACT same name of the jutsu Minato uses. With that any talk about Tobirama and Minato using different jutsu are squashed.
*I will say that it is more than possible that Minato learned the technique and then perfected it. That seems to be a point that alot of people are making, which itself is possible but has nothing to do with my theory. My theory ends at Minato learning FTG, what he does with it afterwards is anybodies guess.*
*I will say that it is more than possible that Minato learned the technique and then perfected it. That seems to be a point that alot of people are making, which itself is possible but has nothing to do with my theory. My theory ends at Minato learning FTG, what he does with it afterwards is anybodies guess.*
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Update 2
Alot of people are countering with the idea that perhaps Hiruzen taught Minato FTG as he is hokage and must know all the techniques in the village. And thus Tobirama could have created a scroll, passed it down to the 3rd, and then the 3rd gives the scroll to Minato. Here are some problems with that:
Not only that but the idea that Hiruzen teaches Minato FTG via a scroll is also LESS LIKELY
than mine. Because of a scientific theory called "Occams Razor" - which basically means when you have 2 competing theories, the theory that makes the least amount of assumptions is the more likely theory.
Assumptions my theory makes:
Assumptions the other theory makes:
Now I can continue to nitpick at the other theory but I think this is more than enough to show that My theory is more likely as it makes less assumptions and the assumptions that it does make are alleviated by other evidences like Sakumo knowing Minato, and him being incredibly famous and powerful, more so than the Sannin.
And with that we see that by using Occam's Razor my theory is more likely than the unseen scroll theory as it makes less assumptions.
- Tobirama couldnt have taught Hiruzen FTG because he died before Hiruzen became hokage, essentially taking to jutsu to his grave. And if Hiruzen did know FTG I am sure we would have seen it by now. All hokages have a seal on them and Minato was the 4th. So during the kyubi attack Hiruzen could have S/T'ed to him rather than run around trying to find out what he was doing.
- If Hiruzen knew FTG then why wouldnt he use it to leave the barrier created by the sound 4 when they trapped him with Orochimaru.
- Why would Hiruzen teach it to Minato? According to the handbook his own students Orochimaru, Tsunade and Jiraiya graduated from the Academy at age 6. Minato graduated at age 10. What was so special about Minato that he would chose him AT RANDOM to teach the FTG rather than Orochimaru, he beloved genius student.
- If Hiruzen had the scrolls left by Tobirama then how does Orochimaru know Edo? I heard someone say that he may have learned it by... examining Tobirama's dead body... but we see the scroll of Edo Tensie in Orochimaru's secret hideout. Which is why Sasuke Revived him.
Not only that but the idea that Hiruzen teaches Minato FTG via a scroll is also LESS LIKELY
than mine. Because of a scientific theory called "Occams Razor" - which basically means when you have 2 competing theories, the theory that makes the least amount of assumptions is the more likely theory.
Assumptions my theory makes:
- Sakumo had to have been well known and powerful, deserving of the lore of S/T Jutsu. [Proven]
- Sakumo had to have known Minato, preferably known him well. [Proven]
- Sakumo had to have been old enough to know Tobirama and young enough to know Minato. [Proven]
- Tobirama knew Sakumo [Assumed since Tobirama was Hokage he would have known someone as skilled as Sakumo]
- Proof that Tobirama taught Sakumo FTG [Unproven]
- Proof that Sakumo taught Minato FTG [Unproven]
Assumptions the other theory makes:
- Tobirama created an FTG Scroll [Can be assumed since he also created an Edo Scroll but still is not proven]
- Upon his death Tobirama had the FTG Scroll in a different location than the Edo Scroll so that when Orochimaru stole the Edo Scroll he did not also take the FTG Scroll. [Not only is it unlikely but it too is unproven]
- Hiruzen managed to get the FTG Scroll but he himself could not use it. [Unproven]
- Hiruzen then taught Minato, for no particular reason, FTG. [Unproven]
- Hiruzen would have seen no one else to want to teach FTG to other than Minato. [Unproven]
Now I can continue to nitpick at the other theory but I think this is more than enough to show that My theory is more likely as it makes less assumptions and the assumptions that it does make are alleviated by other evidences like Sakumo knowing Minato, and him being incredibly famous and powerful, more so than the Sannin.
And with that we see that by using Occam's Razor my theory is more likely than the unseen scroll theory as it makes less assumptions.
I hope you guys enjoyed the theory, It may not be conclusive but I think I make as good as case as any that Sakumo was an S/T User. As always if you like it feel free to rep and comment
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