Hashirama>Nagato

[VongolaX]

If i remember correctly, Naruto lost the minute Pain pinned him down. Naruto had intel on Pain, help from the village, catching Pain exhausted after single-handedly destroying the strongest village, the fact that Pain wasn't trying to kill Naruto just capture him (which is HARD) and from Kurama (it isn't his power because he wasn't controlling it yet). Now you tell me where exactly did you see Naruto owning Pain?



Uh, not exactly. He underestimated the 9th tails and even said that at this rate he will make a bigger one, but then Naruto got help from Minato and transformed back.

Btw, you should really calm down. This is a discussion forum, stop acting like a 12 years old

Clearly you don't remember correctly, sixtailed naruto thrashed pein like a rag doll...
Naruto never had intel on deva path, look it up i know for sure, plus pein recovered nearly all his chakra from preta path...Or did you forget that one? saying pain didn't try is all speculations, he didn't say he wasn't trying hard at all. The picture with the bloody nose is proof that he tried, and even deidara who fought a few memebers of the sand village while using a village busting technique (stopped by gaara's sand) still captured his bijuu with one arm missing.

Naruto never got help from minato, infact minato saved pein from a "full transformation" (with no yin chakra). Deva would of been killed because none of his moves was able to keep naruto there, even when naruto went sage mode afterwards he still couldn't make another ct.

This discussion did not include you, so stop acting like a 5 year old and troll somewhere else.
Don't even know why you would reply me in the first place kid. :|

 

[DoubleAgentItachi]

Hashirama is definetly better than Nagato. It would be an interesting match, though.

 

[genii96]

My god!......there is so much stupidity that i don't know were to start correcting the idiotic theories you just made up. You can't even answer the question properly.


1. If chakra recievers are different from the chakra blade, show me in the manga were pain made his own blade instead of the one madara put into gedo mazou. Madara made the f*cking will which was put inside the mazou, while nagato got the chakra rods from mazou neck. F*cking dumba$$ here is the same black rods in gedo's neck

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2. You say my ignorance hold no bound? You literally re phrase every insult i said, because your nut size brain can not come up with anything valid. You admitted that after the rampaging of the ninetails, that is were pain lost. So, that clearly means naruto kicked pains a$$...You even forgot about the beginning of the fight, naruto killed 4 pains in one shot. Then he struggles with deva, after absorbing all of his chakra, and he still wins. smh (kyuubi doesn't count as help since it is considered naruto's power).

3. Mokuton suppresses chakra? It's confirm, you are stupid f*ck...
Apparently zetsu's hashi no justu suppress chakra and doesn't absorb people's chakra. I wonder how sasuke's chakra recovered as soon as zetsu touched him..

4. Half power kyuubi>>any full healthy nagato, common f*cking sense. Enough said...
A single punch from the wooden statue would break ct, it only took 3 attcks to break it (from itachi, naruto, and bee) and you expect something that took 12 bijuu dama's with PS sword combined to lose to a pebble?

You never owned any on, but just made yourself look very stupid...Quickly delete that post before you embarrass yourself any further. :/

so much stupidity huh,well i guess owning you a 3rd time might make you cover your shame

1) fine then,
here,he makes it,and naruto breaks it

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he then makes another one,to pin down naruto

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then makes another to stab hinata

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like i showed you before,the only chakra receiver made from madara is this

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but feel free to ignore it if you like.

2)hmm,seems like pain cleaned house with naruto to me.

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After that,hinata came and saved him,sorry,deva raped narutoU_U

3) i seem to remeber zetsu using a spore technique,ring a bell?,does that sound like moukton to you?.

4)yea,you are delusional. Pain could have simply made CR bigger and trapped the kyubi. A healthy nagato would just summo gedo,sit back and watch.

It took 3 long ranged jutsus of a tbb,RS and magatammas to beat it when it was tiny as you can see,

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. Since hashi has no long ranged jutsu of that caliber or even intel on how to stop it,he gets killed.
,that wood thing wont be able to move a hand at all due to the gravity and it's hands,as well as it's body will be ripped to pieces by the CT.

 

[VongolaX]

so much stupidity huh,well i guess owning you a 3rd time might make you cover your shame

1) fine then,
here,he makes it,and naruto breaks it

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he then makes another one,to pin down naruto

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then makes another to stab hinata

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like i showed you before,the only chakra receiver made from madara is this

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but feel free to ignore it if you like.

2)hmm,seems like pain cleaned house with naruto to me.

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After that,hinata came and saved him,sorry,deva raped narutoU_U

3) i seem to remeber zetsu using a spore technique,ring a bell?,does that sound like moukton to you?.

4)yea,you are delusional. Pain could have simply made CR bigger and trapped the kyubi. A healthy nagato would just summo gedo,sit back and watch.

It took 3 long ranged jutsus of a tbb,RS and magatammas to beat it when it was tiny as you can see,

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. Since hashi has no long ranged jutsu of that caliber or even intel on how to stop it,he gets killed.
,that wood thing wont be able to move a hand at all due to the gravity and it's hands,as well as it's body will be ripped to pieces by the CT.

1. Do you know were nagato got those chakra rods from? If you say he got it from his back...I rest my case.

2.

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Really? last time i remember, one guy killed defeated the other. Regardless of how naruto use the ninetails, it is still hihs power...deal with it you dumbf*ck.

3. Did you ask if that zetsu's technique isn't mokuton? I wish the whole base can see how much of a retard you are. Every technique zetsu uses is a weaker version of hashirama's techniques! Read the f*cking manga

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So yes mokuton can absorb chakra


4. You wanna know what a healthy nagato and gedo would look like? He will be consumed of his chakra, and all hashirama has to do is use wooden clone technique and appear after he is wasted

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You clearly know nothing, and it's just a pity for **** s*cking nagato fanboy's like you...

 

[Yashoda]

How can ppl say that Hashirama isn't stronger than Nagato. Little do they realize, Hashirama is the guy who took on the Legendary Uchiha fodder and the kyuubi at full power, while Nagato struggled with the 8 tails variation of the half powered kyuubi.

Anyone with half a brain would see that Hashi is better and more strategic in battle than Nagato, which means Itachi is better than both cuz he solo'd nagato and Hashirama admitted inferiority.
Your thoughts? Also, keep it clean and don't hate on me.

How many times must I tell you simpletons? ABC logic does not apply. Every ninja has their own set of skills that can adapt to certain situations and prove useless in others, it's not that hard of a concept to grasp. Hashirama admitted inferiority? This is a joke, Hashirama's comment was pertaining to the ethics and morals of shinobi, basically saying that Itachi's sacrifice was greater than anything he'd ever done (keep in mind, Hashirama is a very humble and easy-going person). In no way, shape, or form does Hashirama state that Itachi could defeat him in mortal combat. Stop fanboying.

 

[genii96]

1. Do you know were nagato got those chakra rods from? If you say he got it from his back...I rest my case.

2.

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Really? last time i remember, one guy killed defeated the other. Regardless of how naruto use the ninetails, it is still hihs power...deal with it you dumbf*ck.

3. Did you ask if that zetsu's technique isn't mokuton? I wish the whole base can see how much of a retard you are. Every technique zetsu uses is a weaker version of hashirama's techniques! Read the f*cking manga

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So yes mokuton can absorb chakra


4. You wanna know what a healthy nagato and gedo would look like? He will be consumed of his chakra, and all hashirama has to do is use wooden clone technique and appear after he is wasted

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You clearly know nothing, and it's just a pity for **** s*cking nagato fanboy's like you...

1) did you see nagato form new chakra rods or not?, good.i showed you again the rod that madara created. Ignoring it now,and you are just wasting my time

2)hinata saved naruto after this

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so no,he was beaten by deva path the moment he was pinned,cuz then hinata,who isnt part of naruto's power,saved him.

3)moukton suppreses chakra,that is something everyone knows. Spore technique isnt a moukton jutsu,neither is parasitic clone jutsu. Show me where it sayd spore is a moukton jutsu? Every moukton technique zetsu uses is a weaker version of hashirama's own,you read the manga.

4) the only way nagato would be drained,is ifhe uses the soul dragon,which he dosent need.

You are the one who knows crap.

4 times now. Lets make it 5U_U

 

[-Blade-]

You dont get called the GOD OF NINJA for nothing U_U

 

[zamki]

Yes he is.

 

[Dragon1]

Clearly you don't remember correctly, sixtailed naruto thrashed pein like a rag doll...
Naruto never had intel on deva path, look it up i know for sure, plus pein recovered nearly all his chakra from preta path...Or did you forget that one? saying pain didn't try is all speculations, he didn't say he wasn't trying hard at all. The picture with the bloody nose is proof that he tried, and even deidara who fought a few memebers of the sand village while using a village busting technique (stopped by gaara's sand) still captured his bijuu with one arm missing.

Naruto never got help from minato, infact minato saved pein from a "full transformation" (with no yin chakra). Deva would of been killed because none of his moves was able to keep naruto there, even when naruto went sage mode afterwards he still couldn't make another ct.

This discussion did not include you, so stop acting like a 5 year old and troll somewhere else.
Don't even know why you would reply me in the first place kid. :|

Are you trying to troll or something? Naruto never had intel, Pain recovered his chakra...? Are we reading the same manga here? About Pain trying - yes, he tried of course, but that doesn't mean he was trying to kill Naruto, only capture him.

And no... Pain was about to make a bigger one and finish Kurama until Naruto transformed back and blitzkrieg Pain.

 

[genii96]

You dont get called the GOD OF NINJA for nothing U_U

you dont get called the 3rd SO6P for nothingU_U

you dont get called an actual god for nothingU_U

you dont get to destroy konoha in one move for nothingU_U

you dont get to wield the rinnegan for nothingU_U

 

[iRefleX]

wtf...People really need to stop fanboying Hashirama...Don't get me wrong i like Hashirama & Madara more than Nagato...

But in order to get the Rinnegan you need the sages body...Nagato already. And he got the eyes transplanted in him, so he was able not get drained by the Rinnegan...Therefore Nagato had the Sages body + eyes...

why the **** are people comparing seperate paths - why don't you put the paths in 1 body. Not only that, Rinnegan can see through genjutsu, if mastered properly will allow the user to use any elements, any summons...

Hashirama creates a gaint statue...gets destryoed by deva path easily.

Hashirama creates flower world...gets destroyed by deva path or asura path easily.

Hashirama tries to hit Nagato with a ninjutsu technique...gets absorbed by preta path.

Nagato grabs Hashirama...He can then use Human or Naraka path.

Nagato creates CT...Hashirama ****ed.

given the paths, Nagato can master all Ninjutsu + can see chakra (even the konoha barrier) + 360 vision + better than Sharingan as it gives you more insight genjutsu + chakra + the tablet...

How will Hashirama counter that? Hashirama is strong but not strong enough.

Even Madara his PS would just get deflected...

TBB would get absorbed as it is dense chakra

 

[lord mizukage]

to all the people who say hashi isn't stronger than nagato.....you guys have gots to be kidding me!

preta path isn't absorbing any of hashi's mokuton because mokuton utilizes chakra as a source of life to bring forth living constructs. all of hashi's mokuton constructs are living beings. if preta path can absorb mokuton then logically he can absorb deidara's clay and human beings as well.

secondly, hashi's wood dragon counters all of nagato's summons because his wood dragon can absorb chakra and even restrain the kyuubi.

and if hashi summnons the buddah then it's automatically game over. Cibaku tensei and CST would only tickle it. the buddah weigh's tons of millions pounds. the gravitational attraction from chibaku tensei is not nearly enough gravity to even move the buddah. it'll just casually grip the chibaku tensei with it's 2 fingers & snap it like a cheese ball.

chibaku tensei is like the size of a pebble compared to the buddah lol.

 

[genii96]

to all the people who say hashi isn't stronger than nagato.....you guys have gots to be kidding me!

preta path isn't absorbing any of hashi's mokuton because mokuton utilizes chakra as a source of life to bring forth living constructs. all of hashi's mokuton constructs are living beings. if preta path can absorb mokuton then logically he can absorb deidara's clay and human beings as well.

secondly, hashi's wood dragon counters all of nagato's summons because his wood dragon can absorb chakra and even restrain the kyuubi.

and if hashi summnons the buddah then it's automatically game over. Cibaku tensei and CST would only tickle it. the buddah weigh's tons of millions pounds. the gravitational attraction from chibaku tensei is not nearly enough gravity to even move the buddah. it'll just casually grip the chibaku tensei with it's 2 fingers & snap it like a cheese ball.

chibaku tensei is like the size of a pebble compared to the buddah lol.

what is it with you people and this life thing,,moukton is a ninjutsu that is chakra based,whether hashi uses life or not it dosent matter,it will be absorbed,the only exceptions are those jutsus either formed from already existing matter in which the chakra,not the substamce will be absorbed,or have no chakra in them.

Hashi converts his chakra to life,so it is absorbed,the chakras of bijuus contain yin and yang chakra,which includes life energy,yet nagato zapped killer b's chakra cloak in a second.

Gedo mazo dozens of summons rape wood dragon. Chakra blastst,chakra shockwaves,and demonic chakra chains to suppress it coupled with the other summons,not to mention the cerberus,which multiplies with physical attacks,yea good luck.

CT is a pebble in size,but once it starts ripping that budha apart as well as all the forests,golems and whaterver rocks and boulders around,well,we will see wjose the pebble. Oh and hashirama has no idea how to counter CT,neither does he have any long ranged tech as well. So by the time he actually finds a way,it will be far too late

 

[lord mizukage]

what is it with you people and this life thing,,moukton is a ninjutsu that is chakra based,whether hashi uses life or not it dosent matter,it will be absorbed,the only exceptions are those jutsus either formed from already existing matter in which the chakra,not the substamce will be absorbed,or have no chakra in them

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yes mokuton is categorized as ninjutsu. a ninjutsu that creates living constructs "filled with chakra", in relation to deidara's clay and human beings. stating that preta path can absorb mokuton would mean that he can absorb any living organism in the narutoverse. since every living being in the narutoverse has chakra within them.

Hashi converts his chakra to life,so it is absorbed,the chakras of bijuus contain yin and yang chakra,which includes life energy,yet nagato zapped killer b's chakra cloak in a second.

the fact that preta path absorbed killer bee's chakra cloak implies that he can only absorb physical, visible chakra. just like samehada. otherwise preta path would of absorbed killer bee's whole body and that would be absurd. so the conclusion of all this is that preta path can absorb chakra from living being through physical contact. as seen with killer bee and as seen with naruto during the pein invasion.

he wouldn't absorb hashi's trees or mokuton construsts. but he can undoubtedly suck the chakra out of them if he touches them.

Gedo mazo dozens of summons rape wood dragon. Chakra blastst,chakra shockwaves,and demonic chakra chains to suppress it coupled with the other summons,not to mention the cerberus,which multiplies with physical attacks,yea good luck.

flower tree world, bringer of darkness, forest creation, and buddah counters all of nagato's summons. this isn't even debatable. hashi only needs to perform one of these jutsu and bye bye goes the summons.

CT is a pebble in size,but once it starts ripping that budha apart as well as all the forests,golems and whaterver rocks and boulders around,well,we will see wjose the pebble. Oh and hashirama has no idea how to counter CT,neither does he have any long ranged tech as well. So by the time he actually finds a way,it will be far too late

i had a feeling that someone was going to argue that Chibaku tensei will rip apart the buddah, and that's false. unlike the mountains and the earth, the buddah is a living organism, and not to mention that it's infused with chakra, so how is Chibaku tensei gunna rip it apart? just because it's composed of wood? Bullsh*t!

the buddah has thousands of arms that are individually larger than a mountain. the moment nagato casts a chibaku tensei, it'll be destroyed in a matter of seconds.

 

[VongolaX]

1) did you see nagato form new chakra rods or not?, good.i showed you again the rod that madara created. Ignoring it now,and you are just wasting my time

2)hinata saved naruto after this

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so no,he was beaten by deva path the moment he was pinned,cuz then hinata,who isnt part of naruto's power,saved him.

3)moukton suppreses chakra,that is something everyone knows. Spore technique isnt a moukton jutsu,neither is parasitic clone jutsu. Show me where it sayd spore is a moukton jutsu? Every moukton technique zetsu uses is a weaker version of hashirama's own,you read the manga.

4) the only way nagato would be drained,is ifhe uses the soul dragon,which he dosent need.

You are the one who knows crap.

4 times now. Lets make it 5U_U

1. Nagato can not make his own chakra rod, dumb@ss. Go to naruto wiki and look up chakra rods if you can't understand the origins of chakra rods itself. S06p never used chakra rods, only madara created them with his will.

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2. Hinata saved naruto? What did she do to save naruto? She only got in the way, and got seemingly killed! Nothing she did help naruto get free from the rods.

3. Everyone knows mukuton supress chakra? What idiocracy is this? In fact, post a scan where it says mokuton suppress chakra.
You literally proved my point, that zetsu uses hashirama's technique on a weaker scale.


4. You have the writing level of a five year old :/
You can't even make sense out of what you are posting, because as far as i'm concern...This isn't even English U_U

 

[iRefleX]

to all the people who say hashi isn't stronger than nagato.....you guys have gots to be kidding me!

preta path isn't absorbing any of hashi's mokuton because mokuton utilizes chakra as a source of life to bring forth living constructs. all of hashi's mokuton constructs are living beings. if preta path can absorb mokuton then logically he can absorb deidara's clay and human beings as well.

Yes, your right here. But i can garantee he dosen't only use wood. He will use chakra based attacks. Such as Chakra punch (like Tsunade) which will get absorbed.

secondly, hashi's wood dragon counters all of nagato's summons because his wood dragon can absorb chakra and even restrain the kyuubi.

Eh,All he has to do to destroy that is Asura path or Deva path

and if hashi summnons the buddah then it's automatically game over. Cibaku tensei and CST would only tickle it. the buddah weigh's tons of millions pounds. the gravitational attraction from chibaku tensei is not nearly enough gravity to even move the buddah. it'll just casually grip the chibaku tensei with it's 2 fingers & snap it like a cheese ball.

chibaku tensei is like the size of a pebble compared to the buddah lol.

Chibaku Tensei will destroy that Budhaa...That statue was over-rated lol. If chibaky Tensei >> 10 tails or 9 tails. I think Chibaky Tensei would win...

Deva Path would also destroy it...

Naraka path can kill hashirama + other paths.

Not to mention, he will be able to tell if it is a wood clone or not easily. Will be able to use any elemental Techniques, Summons.

Nagato > Hashirama .... Nagato > Madara ....

 

[VongolaX]

Are you trying to troll or something? Naruto never had intel, Pain recovered his chakra...? Are we reading the same manga here? About Pain trying - yes, he tried of course, but that doesn't mean he was trying to kill Naruto, only capture him.

And no... Pain was about to make a bigger one and finish Kurama until Naruto transformed back and blitzkrieg Pain.

1. Do you know how to read? I said naruto did not have intel on deva! kakashi figured it out in the last second.
Naruto had intel on the other 4 paths, and no knowledge of chibuku tensei. Pain never said he can make it bigger, he just said he needs to make ct bigger. He never did afterwards, and he couldn't do it again after naruto turned sage mode standing on ct.
If your here to post rubbish, i'd advise you gtfo genin

 

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Nagato stomps -- high diff

 

[genii96]

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yes mokuton is categorized as ninjutsu. a ninjutsu that creates living constructs "filled with chakra", in relation to deidara's clay and human beings. stating that preta path can absorb mokuton would mean that he can absorb any living organism in the narutoverse. since every living being in the narutoverse has chakra within them.



the fact that preta path absorbed killer bee's chakra cloak implies that he can only absorb physical, visible chakra. just like samehada. otherwise preta path would of absorbed killer bee's whole body and that would be absurd. so the conclusion of all this is that preta path can absorb chakra from living being through physical contact. as seen with killer bee and as seen with naruto during the pein invasion.

he wouldn't absorb hashi's trees or mokuton construsts. but he can undoubtedly suck the chakra out of them if he touches them.



flower tree world, bringer of darkness, forest creation, and buddah counters all of nagato's summons. this isn't even debatable. hashi only needs to perform one of these jutsu and bye bye goes the summons.



i had a feeling that someone was going to argue that Chibaku tensei will rip apart the buddah, and that's false. unlike the mountains and the earth, the buddah is a living organism, and not to mention that it's infused with chakra, so how is Chibaku tensei gunna rip it apart? just because it's composed of wood? Bullsh*t!

the buddah has thousands of arms that are individually larger than a mountain. the moment nagato casts a chibaku tensei, it'll be destroyed in a matter of seconds.

1)humans,deidara's clay and other livigs things,are not CREATED FROM chakra,but are already exisiting,hashi's wood creatures, are made FROM chakra,hence their vey structures are compsoed of chakra converted to wood. Nagato can't absorb creatures not made of chakra,but can absorb the hakra they have,hashi's wood,is made from chakra,which means it as a whole can be absorbed,the same with j-man:s oil,it's made from chakra,which alowed preta to absorb everything,if you throw normal oil at preta,it will not absorb it. The same with hashirama,he creates them from his chakra,which makes them prone to being absorbed.

2) Preta path can absorb the chakra from constructs not made of chakra,whether living or non-living,but if a construct is made from chakra,like j-man's oil,rasen shuriken etc,it will be absorbed.had he grabbed killer b,he would ahave taken every last drop of chakra from his body,but cant absorb his body itself,bcos it is not made from chakra.

3) a chakra shockwave or blast from gedo mazo,would annihilate any forest hashi makes.,also are you forgetting about the dog?,which multiplies through physical attacks?,hashi's wood attacks would make it multiply very fast.gedo's chakra chains would easily suppress it's chakra,and wipe it out.

The budha is a wooden construct that attacks when hashi makes it. It i made of wood,not flesh,and the only hand that is mountain sized is the one it used to grab kyubi. Trees are living beings too you know?,yet CT easily crushes them,the only exceptions that CT hasnt crushed to pieces,are humans or things with flesh. CT crushed trees too as well as boulders,so the budha is not a problem.