Misconception: Tobirama never hated Uchihas

[SilverSlick]

The difference is, my points are supported by the manga.

-> Link me where it implies madara left because of izuna
-> Madara disagree's with the bold as, my previous post.
-> Tobirama's reign brought about their extermination, he is directly related to the incident as, my previous post.
-> Madara didn't leave the village out of hate, his curse (yes he is a victim) began when he returned as an avenger.

-> The sage was never advised not to have children. Hashirama advised Tobirama not to develop the jutsu for certain reasions, he paid no mind to it and it is the cause of the listed events as, my previous post. Orochimaru also agrees to this.

Your rebuttals are circular and diverting from canon; losing quality.

You can keep ignoring my points all you want. Again, the deeper the Uchiha's darkness becomes, the more the their eyes get stronger[

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]. When Madara was talking to Hashirama, he states that he was unable to protect his brother and he was unable to protect his clan like he promised his brother[

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]. The latter which was based off of something that hadn't even happened: a preconception. This preconception was that Tobirama would exterminate the Uchiha clan. This was paranoia. I keep saying these things because I believe you to be ignoring them. Its obvious the death of Izuna had an effect on him. I'm going to provide the same manga scan as I did above[

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]. Tobirama states that "The deeper their darkness probably even more than your brother". You can choose to ignore this all you want, but deductive reasoning says becomes blah, blah, blah, as in Madara's case". Then, in the next panel over, Hashirama say "Madara loved his brother otherwise. He left the village because he had felt he had lost everything; basically because of his brother

I guess, again its a matter of perspective. If I am to believe that Kyuubi attack was the main factor in the extermination, how can we agree? You can't necessarily prove me wrong and vice versa so I believe its a mute point.

This next point, my friend, is an assertion without manga backing. His curse of hatred kicked in during his talk with Hashirama[

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Well, Madara was

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by Hashirama to stay at village. He didn't and things obviously went bad. Your whole argument about him leaving is based on the opinion that Tobirama caused him to leave, which I believe to be faulty logic. Logic which can be applied in many instances of the story to place the blame on someone other than the person who actually did the deed.

You can say my arguments are losing quality, yet you're hardly giving a productive counter to them. As said in the paragraph above, the whole basis of your argument about how everything is Tobirama's fault is faulty logic: basically a cop-out. I don't believe we should debate anymore about the topic if we aren't going to get anywhere. Again, sorry for the time it took to post this.

 

[Waltz]

You can keep ignoring my points all you want. Again, the deeper the Uchiha's darkness becomes, the more the their eyes get stronger[

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]. When Madara was talking to Hashirama, he states that he was unable to protect his brother and he was unable to protect his clan like he promised his brother[

You must be registered for see links

]. The latter which was based off of something that hadn't even happened: a preconception. This preconception was that Tobirama would exterminate the Uchiha clan. This was paranoia. I keep saying these things because I believe you to be ignoring them. Its obvious the death of Izuna had an effect on him. I'm going to provide the same manga scan as I did above[

You must be registered for see links

]. Tobirama states that "The deeper their darkness probably even more than your brother". You can choose to ignore this all you want, but deductive reasoning says becomes blah, blah, blah, as in Madara's case". Then, in the next panel over, Hashirama say "Madara loved his brother otherwise. He left the village because he had felt he had lost everything; basically because of his brother

I guess, again its a matter of perspective. If I am to believe that Kyuubi attack was the main factor in the extermination, how can we agree? You can't necessarily prove me wrong and vice versa so I believe its a mute point.

This next point, my friend, is an assertion without manga backing. His curse of hatred kicked in during his talk with Hashirama[

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].

Well, Madara was

You must be registered for see links

by Hashirama to stay at village. He didn't and things obviously went bad. Your whole argument about him leaving is based on the opinion that Tobirama caused him to leave, which I believe to be faulty logic. Logic which can be applied in many instances of the story to place the blame on someone other than the person who actually did the deed.

You can say my arguments are losing quality, yet you're hardly giving a productive counter to them. As said in the paragraph above, the whole basis of your argument about how everything is Tobirama's fault is faulty logic: basically a cop-out. I don't believe we should debate anymore about the topic if we aren't going to get anywhere. Again, sorry for the time it took to post this.

No, your wrong.

Madara literally had no major opposition against being hokage[

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] after this Madara listened in on their conversation [

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] Where he was trying to force a rumor as fact that "Hatred bring power to the uchiha eyes" Which isn't necessarily true for all cases hence why hashirama initially disagreed. Madara had a preconception about tobirama indeed and that wasn't paranoia, funny of you to say that as the reasons for him having such thought are crystal clear and have already been discussed.

-He was merciless towards the uchiha [

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-He disregarded theire feelings, and madara predicted the quarantine which led to their extermination [

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-He didn't love or consider them as a part of the village [

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] but rather saw them as a threat and enemy [

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-He's persecuted them on many accounts [

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-He was madara's greatest dilemma [

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] and the reason he left the village [

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] and decided to follow another path.

You expect him to stay there and watch his clan be degraded under Tobirama's reign? (which is exactly what happened and led to their revolt and extermination).

If you still can't see this, and are still disregarding Orochimaru's statement...you may believe what you want.

 

[Omnipotent]

No, your wrong.

Madara literally had no major opposition against being hokage[

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] after this Madara listened in on their conversation [

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] Where he was trying to force a rumor as fact that "Hatred bring power to the uchiha eyes" Which isn't necessarily true for all cases hence why hashirama initially disagreed. Madara had a preconception about tobirama indeed and that wasn't paranoia, funny of you to say that as the reasons for him having such thought are crystal clear and have already been discussed.

-He was merciless towards the uchiha [

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]
-He disregarded theire feelings, and madara predicted the quarantine which led to their extermination [

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]
-He didn't love or consider them as a part of the village [

You must be registered for see links

] [

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] but rather saw them as a threat and enemy [

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]
-He's persecuted them on many accounts [

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]
-He was madara's greatest dilemma [

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] and the reason he left the village [

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] and decided to follow another path.

You expect him to stay there and watch his clan be degraded under Tobirama's reign? (which is exactly what happened and led to their revolt and extermination).

If you still can't see this, and are still disregarding Orochimaru's statement...you may believe what you want.

@Bold
We know that Tobirama was motivated to segregate the Uchiha only after what Madara did, which was defecting from Konohagakure and fighting Hashirama at VOTE:

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"Besides, you can't blame me for skewing things the way I did after what Madara pulled..."

And Madara's actions were caused by his paranoia on what Tobirama would do upon becoming Nidaime Hokage, which ironically did end up happening because of his own actions:

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Simply put, Madara's actions forced Tobirama's hands. As a Hokage, would you want that happening again?

 

[Bogard]

When i was saying this, some people didn't want to listen. Like i've said, i thought it was obvious, but it seems people are incapable to read thru lines. Well this chapter confirmed what i already knew. Tobirama never hated Uchihas, he only feared they could be an obstacle to peace, the only thing he was caring about:

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[Pervy Wrath]

I never thought he hated them, he was just more catious when it came to them.

 

[Momo86]

When i was saying this, some people didn't want to listen. Like i've said, i thought it was obvious, but it seems people are incapable to read thru lines. Well this chapter confirmed what i already knew. Tobirama never hated Uchihas, he only feared they could be an obstacle to peace, the only thing he was caring about:

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"But Tobirama had an Uchiha in his own team!" "Well, he probably hated him as well".

"But he proposed Hiruzen and not Danzo as successor..." "He surely hoped Hiruzen would exterminate the Uchiha as well".

"But he didn't ever lay a finger on an Uchiha during his reign" "But he foresaw that his measures would lead to their massacre".

When people refuse to listen to reason, the author may step in and correct you.

 

[TrollingSage]

When i was saying this, some people didn't want to listen. Like i've said, i thought it was obvious, but it seems people are incapable to read thru lines. Well this chapter confirmed what i already knew. Tobirama never hated Uchihas, he only feared they could be an obstacle to peace, the only thing he was caring about:

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Feels great being proved right doesnt it?=D

 

[Vin Thora]

no, he hated the uchiha and wanted them all dead. that's why he made them police, so that everyone would hate them and wanna kill them. who doesn't hate cops i mean seriously f the police and f the mods.

Only a bunch of wastemen who aren't able to understand the need for law and order in a chaotic world HATE the cops. Sure, they sometimes abuse their power, but wouldn't you use the power if you had it?

 

[LitzSabr]

Not the worst hokage, not anymore