Misconception: Tobirama never hated Uchihas

[LordRevan]

lol, prevention is better than cure agree tobirama was really that kinda guy he really wanted peace . But the thing is he never trusted or had faith in madara which his elder brother has, and he always feared uchiha turned aganist them and luv n hate biology thing remember when he says hatred makes sharingan or uchihas stronger

In the end he was the one who actually started it. X_X. sad.

He simply made his choice before dying. Doesn't mean villagers will have the same choice

Sadly they don't..... =)

 

[~Madara Uchiha~]

Thought it was suppose to be up to the village. Not Hokage...

 

[SilverSlick]

Put the uchiha in a corner because Madara turned bad..... He never TRUSTED the Uchiha........ Kagami was a kid.... And also, him picking Hiruzen for Hokage was pure BS. It should've been up to the people to decide. Just like for Hashirama.

He was too obsessed with the "Physical village".. that he forgot what matters the most is the people inside the village.

Him wanting to "channel" their hate was a excuse for his fear of another Madara. However, people worst then Madara have come from the Leaf Village, and its Hokage didn't do anything about them. This is why saying the whole thing of "Uchiha are a clan possessed by evil" based on 1 person's action is BS.

Hence why Tobirama is the Hot-headed younger brother.

Who, Obito? Obito was manipulated by Madara.

 

[SilverSlick]

Thought it was suppose to be up to the village. Not Hokage...

Yes, its up to the council to decide. He knew the people would pick Hiruzen given that at that time, he was the second strongest.

 

[LordRevan]

Who, Obito? Obito was manipulated by Madara.

- Danzo
- Orochimaru

What did the Hokage do about them?

Non- Uchiha.

Yes, its up to the council to decide. He knew the people would pick Hiruzen given that at that time, he was the second strongest.

Council doesn't = People.....

proof sir... Or is this assumption based on Tobirama picking him as Hokage? lol. Hiruzen was part of his team.... it was a biased choice.

 

[~Zonta~]

Tobirama's only motive was to protect the village that Hashirama and the senju worked for to make a better place for the future generations. He also knew that the other clan looked up to Senju's and Uchiha's for protection but Uchiha's lost the trust because of their violent and extreme nature. So its was it was the responsibility of the Senju's to protect the smaller and weaker clans so that Village can flourish and future generation does end up suffering what previous generations suffered and lost due to continues wars

Tobirama knew that Precaution is always better than Cure so he took measures to protect the village and gave Uchiha's Konoha Police for Securing the village and IMO it was good move since Uchiha's who rebelled can be brought to justice by fellow Uchiha's which can help him keeping the trust between Uchiha's and the Senju's.

Konoha Police force was direct under the orders of the Hokage and was the second most important authority in the village which also meant Tobirama gave Uchiha's a chance to prove their worth so that they can accepted and acknowledge by everyone in the village who were looked in contempt due actions of Madara Uchiha.

 

[LordRevan]

Tobirama's only motive was to protect the village that Hashirama and the senju worked for to make a better place for the future generations. He also knew that the other clan looked up to Senju's and Uchiha's for protection but Uchiha's lost the trust because of their violent and extreme nature. So its was it was the responsibility of the Senju's to protect the smaller and weaker clans so that Village can flourish and future generation does end up suffering what previous generations suffered and lost due to continues wars

Tobirama knew that Precaution is always better than Cure so he took measures to protect the village and gave Uchiha's Konoha Police for Securing the village and IMO it was good move since Uchiha's who rebelled can be brought to justice by fellow Uchiha's which can help him keeping the trust between Uchiha's and the Senju's.

Konoha Police force was direct under the orders of the Hokage and was the second most important authority in the village which also meant Tobirama gave Uchiha's a chance to prove their worth so that they can accepted and acknowledge by everyone in the village who were looked in contempt due actions of Madara Uchiha.

@ Bold
When did that happen? .. They made a truce because of the trust.. lmao.

 

[YellowFlash1]

He doesn't trust them, that's the problem.

His actions speak louder than his words. He may not "Hate" them, however he definitely does not trust them and pushed them away, making them resent the village.

 

[SilverSlick]

- Danzo
- Orochimaru

What did the Hokage do about them?

Non- Uchiha.

Oh please, Danzo isn't bad at all. Everything he did was for the village. You can deny it all you want, but its true. Obito and Madara are WAY worse than Orochimaru.

-40,000 dead because of the current war started by Obito and indirectly Madara
-Thousands dead due to the Kyuubi attack, caused by Obito who was manipulated by Madara
-Thousands dead due to Pain's invasion, caused by Nagato who was manipulated by Obito who in turn was manipulated by Madara
-Thousands dead due to Obito manipulating Yagura and starting the Bloody Mist Era

Orochimaru little shitty experiments can't compare to those events caused by Obito and Madara. And lets not forget that the Kyuubi attack instigated the Uchiha Massacre which two Uchiha took part in.

 

[~Madara Uchiha~]

Yes, its up to the council to decide. He knew the people would pick Hiruzen given that at that time, he was the second strongest.

Why was Hiruzen on that dangerous mission/battle? Why would they risk loosing their future Hokage?

 

[AlphaScythian]

Oh really?
Tell me how much he loved uchihas.

 

[GreyWizard93]

To be honest I was expecting a 3 line thread, half hearted attempt.

Should I say very well done? It looks obvious but I didn't get it at first.
You continue to back your theory.

A job well done indeed. XD

 

[SilverSlick]

Why was Hiruzen on that dangerous mission/battle? Why would they risk loosing their future Hokage?

Now you're just asking meaningless questions. It was a war.

 

[Narutohokage7]

Couldn't agree more, great thread as usual Bogard.

 

[Bogard]

Thanks for the reps guys

He doesn't trust them, that's the problem.

His actions speak louder than his words. He may not "Hate" them, however he definitely does not trust them and pushed them away, making them resent the village.

It's what i'm saying. He didn't trust them because they can easily turn evil and it could endanger the peace of the village, reason why he doesn't trust them but it doesn't mean he hated them. He was just careful and cautious

Oh really?
Tell me how much he loved uchihas.

Probably as much as you hate him

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

Title says it all

If he really hated Uchihas can someone explain me why he had a Uchiha(Kagami) in his team? Why did he decide to be the decoy to save their lifes if he could have send Kagami to be the decoy? All what Tobirama wanted is peace. He says it since he was young:

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But after some time observing Uchihas or hearing some rumours, he simply feared that Uchihas could turn evil and if they turn evil, it's really bad for the peace of the village:

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People say Tobirama hated the proposition of Madara being Hokage, but this is wrong. If you read, he even tells to Hashirama that it's no problem, only that it should be better to have the village opinion:

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Now do you tell me that saying that is wrong? Why would villagers accept to be under the commandment of someone they don't like, against their own will? It's called democratie.

He also gives his opinion concerning it, advising Hashirama concerning Uchihas mental problems and it's something he really had to since it's something we've seen plenty of times. Just look what happened later? All Uchihas we know who got depressed after experiencing true love turned evil(Obito, Madara, Sasuke), and if it happens, it's dangerous for the village

Like he says himself by giving them the police department, it was to try to canalyse them and their hatred:

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It's only that he feared.

So i don't think Tobirama hated Uchihas. He only feared their hatred to be obstacle for peace in the village. I thought it was clear but unfortunately it seems people can't read manga properly
Reason why he tried to canalyse their emotions

Many Senju were killed in battle by Uchiha before the founding of Konoha. All of Tobirama's brothers were probably killed (directly or indirectly) by the Uchiha. Hell, the Senju Clan itself may have been killed by the Uchiha. He def has a possibility for hate here...

 

[~Zonta~]

@ Bold
When did that happen? .. They made a truce because of the trust.. lmao.

Madara himself didn't had the trust of the Uchiha's and here you can see what tobirama said to Hashirama

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And here is what Madara had to say about Uchiha clan

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[LordRevan]

Oh please, Danzo isn't bad at all. Everything he did was for the village. You can deny it all you want, but its true. Obito and Madara are WAY worse than Orochimaru.

-40,000 dead because of the current war started by Obito and indirectly Madara
-Thousands dead due to the Kyuubi attack, caused by Obito who was manipulated by Madara
-Thousands dead due to Pain's invasion, caused by Nagato who was manipulated by Obito who in turn was manipulated by Madara
-Thousands dead due to Obito manipulating Yagura and starting the Bloody Mist Era

Orochimaru little shitty experiments can't compare to those events caused by Obito and Madara. And lets not forget that the Kyuubi attack instigated the Uchiha Massacre which two Uchiha took part in.

Its called WAR for a reason....... people die in it.. They are doing a war for peace.. just like the guy you gave a fanboy response for (Danzo) did everything for Konoha. -sigh-

- Turned bad due to Tobirama's negligence
- Nagato wasn't MANIPULATED.. he CHOSE that path..

Danzo :

- Turned Akatsuki bad
- Let Tsunade defend the village by herself, and told the other ninjas to not assist in protection of the village
- Killed the Uchiha because he was going to loose political power.
- Worked with Orochimaru
- Let Konoha ninja die
- threatened innocent people like Kabuto's "mother" and the orphans
- Killed his own men.. for his own purposes
- Took part in the Death of the Sandaime

Orochimaru :
- Experimented on kids
- Didn't care about the feelings of kids or w.e
- Attacked Konoha
- killed Konoha citizens and shinobi for experiments

...... But what happened to the Hokage's Will of Fire for both of these men? Did it die?

Madara himself didn't had the trust of the Uchiha's and here you can see what tobirama said to Hashirama

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And here is what Madara had to say about Uchiha clan

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Because he was bent on revenge for his brother.. But then Hashirama proved to him , that he means peace. The same way Tobirama was about to kill him =]

Also, what Madara said about Tobirama in the end was true. ^_^. He left them a warning.. and they didn't listen... But when they got tired of the segregation.. that even Hashirama knew that Tobirama might do, you fans decide to call them "EVIL".

 

[SilverSlick]

Its called WAR for a reason....... people die in it.. They are doing a war for peace.. just like the guy you gave a fanboy response for (Danzo) did everything for Konoha. -sigh-

- Turned bad due to Tobirama's negligence
- Nagato wasn't MANIPULATED.. he CHOSE that path..

Danzo :

- Turned Akatsuki bad
- Let Tsunade defend the village by herself, and told the other ninjas to not assist in protection of the village
- Killed the Uchiha because he was going to loose political power.
- Worked with Orochimaru
- Let Konoha ninja die
- threatened innocent people like Kabuto's "mother" and the orphans
- Killed his own men.. for his own purposes
- Took part in the Death of the Sandaime

Orochimaru :
- Experimented on kids
- Didn't care about the feelings of kids or w.e
- Attacked Konoha
- killed Konoha citizens and shinobi for experiments

...... But what happened to the Hokage's Will of Fire for both of these men? Did it die?

@Bold all of that was untrue

All of that is shit compared to what Madara and Obito did. You're comparing a few to THOUSANDS.

Same case for Orochimaru.

 

[slaton02]

This thread makes me sick you stole it from me and getting rep and thanks that should be mine