(DrProof)The Rinnegan's Omnipotent; Tengai Shinsei

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[Klue]

Madara said the power wasn't apart of Kabuto's creation as it's origins has nothing to do with kabuto.

Kabuto didn't create it, because Madara already obtained Hashirama's power and the Rinnegan before he died. But Kabuto was correctly figured out what Madara accomplished before he died, and he deserves credit for reviving Madara in a youthful form while still allowing him to retain Hashirama's Wood Release and the Sage's Rinnegan.

But I think you're drifting from the main topic.

Senju power allowed Madara to wield the Rinnegan, the Sage's power, which we the reader received a glimpse of before the chapter reached its end. That power was the meteorites. Kabuto confirmed as much in the following chapter.

Again, he wasn't corrected. We the reader have no reason to doubt his claim in this instance.

Has the Sage ever used the technique?

Kabuto implied as much, Madara didn't correct him.

*Shrugs*

According to kabuto a non-uchiha who formulates hypothesis based on research and has had statements proven wrong on many occasions

Just because he was wrong in one instance, doesn't mean he is wrong in others. So, was he wrong to conclude that Hashirama's power (Senju power) was needed to allow the Sharingan to reach/evolve into the Rinnegan?

No? Okay then.

When a character is wrong about something, the author usually lets us know.

"it is a fragment of his power" According to the uchiha stone Tablet, written by the Rikudo Sennin during his live story "No such thing was ever done by the sage". You may deduct which is more credible.

Because you know all that is written there?

The Sharingan's origins lies with the Juubi not the Sage of six paths as it is evident that it originally belonged to the juubi. It is also evident that some external interference brought about the sharingan (mostlikely the juubi). My reasoning is given such that:

Rinnegan - Yang half = EMS

but

Jinchuriki Rikudo's Rinnegan - Yang half = Elder sons doujutsu (mutated Rinnegan which later watered down to the sharingan)

If the gene's were pure, the Sage's elder son and his descendants would have had the Rinnegan. This is the reason why the Rinnegan can read more on the Naka Shrine than any version of the sharingan as the Sage wielded Doujutsu being the Rinnegan when he wrote the Naka shrine. Added to the Mythological rudiments of Susano'o, it is rather clear that it may solely be affilated with the Sharingan.

I Say EMS simply because of Mastery. The longer you have the doujutsu it is the more adept you become with it's use. Madara having a full bodied Version 1 susano'o as opposed to any other susano'o user seen thus far is evidence of that. I say EMS as it comprises of the sharingan's 5 stages (1,2,3 tomoe, MS, EMS).

I'm sorry, but I honestly don't see what the remaining portion of your post has to do with our discussion.

 

[Waltz]

@Klue: I'm not drifting from the topic, only answered your questions. This debate is futile as it is inconclusive whether or not it is a Sharingan Affiliated technique or a Rinnegan+sharingan affiliated technique as the evidence points to both.

 

[OfficialRikudouSennin]

Its originally called meteorite technique

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Its originally called meteorite technique

Ah I see

 

[YellowFang]

For the first time... I thought I needed you on this!!!
Good work...

 

[Kriss123]

reading later

 

[TrollingSage]

Most do it because they simply don't like what they here/see. Just a few months ago, I continuously debated with people that refused to believe that the secret of Madara's body was the presence of Hashirama (Senju powers). It's to the point where the author must explicitly state every little thing.

But then again, there are still those who argue Izanagi can be used without Senju powers.

Oh yea I remember those times I had to argue endlessly with Uchiha fanboys about what Kabuto's statement meant.
Wish I had made an "I told you so" thread
@OP its pretty obvious its a rinnegan tech. I mean it goes with the other rinnegan powers, deva path to be more specific
Summoning meteors isnt exactly sharinganlistic(copyrighted)

 

[AlphaScythian]

So is madara more proficient with rinnegan then nagato after all?
Or was it sharingan/rinnegan mix to bring that meteor?

I personally view sharingan and rinnegan as 2 halves of one, which is juubi eye. Therefore only united it can achieve its true form and power.
All in all i think madara used both to bring meteor.

 

[Almighty Ra]

Awesome points and theory..Liked the lil history u provided

 

[Varrah]

Interpretation of Rikudō Sennin's powers amounts to the bipartite properties that Madara holds (destructive) and Hashirama's (life-force). Susano'o's is a branch, facilitated to draw the meteorites "to" him. The proximity and its lodging nullify the use of Banshō Ten'in. The only possible approach this can be a Rinnegan technique is either from Banbutsu Sōzō or a Kuchiyose no Jutsu. If neither, its a highly concentrated Intōn ability; reaffirming the first saying.​

 

[BlinkST]

-The "Tengu" of Japanese myth is agreed to have been derived a creature of Chinese myth, called "Tiangou".

The literal meaning of Tengu is "Heaven 天” and “Dog 狗." In Chinese mythology, there is a related creature named Tien Kou (Tiangou 天狗), or "celestial hound." The name is misleading, however, as the crow-like Tengu looks nothing like a dog. One plausible theory is that the Chinese Tien Kou derived its name from a destructive meteor that hit China sometime in the 6th century BC. The tail of the falling body resembled that of a dog, hence the name and its initial association with destructive powers.

-The Tengu are believed to be descendants of a feminine creature created by the storm god Susanoo:

Konoha-tengu are associated with Sarutahiko, the Shintō god of crossroads, pathways, and overcoming obstacles. The association most likely arises from that god's proboscis like nose. Other works, such as F. Hadland Davis's Myths and Legends of Japan say that the Tengu came from the god Susanoo. Their birdlike characteristics lead to associations with Garuda as well.

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It is said that once the storm god Susano-o-No-Mikoto let his raging spirit build up inside him until, like a grotesque Athena, this princess deity burst forth. She had a beastly head with long ears, nose, and fangs, the latter of which were so strong they could easily chew through steel blades, and she could fly for thousands of miles at a go. This ferocious female spirit is considered the ancestor of such creatures as Ama-no-jaku and the tengu.

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-The Uchiha dojutsu "Susanoo" has features of Tengu; the Yamabushi Tengu and Karasu Tengu.

Yamabushi Tengu (Mountain Monk) 山仏師　天狗.
Over the centuries, the Tengu becomes more human in appearance and takes on a protective role in the affairs of men. The Tengu can transform itself into a man, woman, or child, but its prefered disquise is to appear as a barefooted, wandering, elderly mountain hermit or monk (yamabushi) with an extremely long nose. Both the magical tanuki (badger) and oinari (fox) can also change to human form, and in some Japanese traditions these two creatures are actually considered to be animal manifestations of Tengu.

The Yamabushi Tengu comes in two flavors -- the long-nosed goblin with human face or the beak-nosed goblin with human face.

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The Susanoo shown more recently, matches the appearance of the underling Karasu Tengu.

Karasu Tengu (“Crow” Tengu) 烏天狗
The ancient form of the Tengu was the “karasu” or “crow” Tengu. Portrayed as an evil crow-like creature with the body of a man, it was capable of kidnapping adults and children, starting fires, and ripping apart those who willfully damaged the forest, for the Tengu live in trees. Sometimes, too, the Tengu would abduct human beings, only to release them later, but the “lucky” survivor would return home in a state of dementia (called “Tengu Kakushi, meaning “hidden by a Tengu”).

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-The Uchiha stone monument contains images of a pair of clothed beings with large sandals, a fan, wings, beak, and a pair of flames by their sides; a Karasu tengu.

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1: Flame
2: Wing
3: (Some type of emanation)
4: Eyes; beak
5: Hand; fan
6: Feet; sandals

The battle between Madara and the Gokage, was a demonstration of the hidden powers of the Rikudo Sage; i.e. this was a battle meant to depict the two famous halves of the Sage: Senju and Uchiha.

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On one side, we had Hashirama's Mokuton power that made living trees, and mentions of his uncanny ability to heal wounds. Body-related Yang powers.
On the other side, we had Madara's power that focuses his destructive powers, such as his fire-style ninjutsu. Yin powers, some ocular.

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The Rinnegan for the most part, seemed like a minor inconvenience that reared it's head every once-in-a-while [Absorbing jutsu]. It was never portrayed as the sort of power that made Madara leaps and bounds ahead of his old self, or Hashirama's power. The significant highlights of that battle were the powers of the two strongest shinobi in one man, not the Rinnegan.

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This was backed up again in chapter 625, where Madara explains what he found written on the tablet:

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The "other interpretation" he mentioned, is having the two powers in one person; becoming the "god" again, as opposed to the powers being represented by two clans. And so he begins making preparations to cast a Sharingan genjutsu over the planet; the "end of the world" as characters put it.

That, in addition the historical link between the god Susanoo and the Chinese Tiangou, make it far more likely that the destructive meteor was indeed Madara's power.

 

[Omnipotent]

That reference; I can't argue

 

[Lightbringer]

-The "Tengu" of Japanese myth is agreed to have been derived a creature of Chinese myth, called "Tiangou".


-The Tengu are believed to be descendants of a feminine creature created by the storm god Susanoo:




-The Uchiha dojutsu "Susanoo" has features of Tengu; the Yamabushi Tengu and Karasu Tengu.



-The Uchiha stone monument contains images of a pair of clothed beings with large sandals, a fan, wings, beak, and a pair of flames by their sides; a Karasu tengu.


The battle between Madara and the Gokage, was a demonstration of the hidden powers of the Rikudo Sage; i.e. this was a battle meant to depict the two famous halves of the Sage: Senju and Uchiha.

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On one side, we had Hashirama's Mokuton power that made living trees, and mentions of his uncanny ability to heal wounds. Body-related Yang powers.
On the other side, we had Madara's power that focuses his destructive powers, such as his fire-style ninjutsu. Yin powers, some ocular.

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The Rinnegan for the most part, seemed like a minor inconvenience that reared it's head every once-in-a-while [Absorbing jutsu]. It was never portrayed as the sort of power that made Madara leaps and bounds ahead of his old self, or Hashirama's power. The significant highlights of that battle were the powers of the two strongest shinobi in one man, not the Rinnegan.

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This was backed up again in chapter 625, where Madara explains what he found written on the tablet:

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The "other interpretation" he mentioned, is having the two powers in one person; becoming the "god" again, as opposed to the powers being represented by two clans. And so he begins making preparations to cast a Sharingan genjutsu over the planet; the "end of the world" as characters put it.

That, in addition the historical link between the god Susanoo and the Chinese Tiangou, make it far more likely that the destructive meteor was indeed Madara's power.

^ownage in the most simple terms

 

[Sabaki]

Yet he required the Susano'o to be activated in order to augment the technique appropriately and consequently allow it to function correctly.

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In any case, the technique is not entirely Rinnegan based, it is a bipartite technique, requiring both the Mangekyō and Rinnegan to operate efficiently. This notion is reinforced when one considers that the Susano'o too wove handseals.​

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[FearxDeath]

Personally I thought this was pretty obvious.

I mean you have Chibaku Tensei "Planetary Devastation" which refers to using the laws of gravitation to create a giant rock out of the earth.

And so Tengai Shinsei "Shattered Heaven" would be a variation of Chibaku Tensei that uses the laws of gravitation in space rather than on earth, and then using the gravity pulls said asteroid down towards earth, thus the term Shattered Heaven.

Whoever thought this was an EMS jutsu must be mental... why in the world...

 

[Strict]

Incorrect. Madara had his Rinnegan activated when he performed Tengai Shinsei:

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Yet Susanoo made finger seals :O

I think only a true wielder of the Rinnegan, so being an Uchiha with Senju-power, could do something like this. The Rinnegan is however also awakened from the possession of Uchiha and Senju power, the creation of all things, blessed to be Rikudo Sennins almighty power, is also based on these two powers.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Doesn't omnipotent mean that ones power if infinite? If so I don't see how the Rinnegan is omnipotent.

 

[Space Cowboy]

I thought the meteor was just a natural disaster

 

[Strict]

Doesn't omnipotent mean that ones power if infinite? If so I don't see how the Rinnegan is omnipotent.

He just wanted to sound dramatic. The font increases that feeling. Deva's pic at the beginning maybe too..