(DrProof)The Rinnegan's Omnipotent; Tengai Shinsei

[Waltz]

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The name of the technique (though unofficial) is inline with the other God Realm powers of the Rinnegan. More importantly, the conversation between Kabuto and Madara at the time implicitly confirmed it to be a Rinnegan level ability. After witnessing the destruction, Kabuto marveled at the power of the Six Paths.

I'm not

Of course he did, who else could have done it?

Muu?




It's a view he hasn't seen since the days long ago when he would reshape the landscape with the power of his Perfect Susanoo. One swing of his sword could destroy all creation.

Again, within that same panel, Kabuto claimed it was an ability of the Sage of the Six Paths.



That majority was always off base. Madara said that only Hashirama could stop him, and clashes between the two would reshape the landscape, but now that Hashirama is no longer around, the maps wouldn't change so much.

Madara's ability to reshape the landscape was thanks to the Perfect Susanoo; he hadn't yet obtained the Rinnegan back then.



Indeed. A Rinnegan ability that is used in conjunction with Susanoo - what's the big deal? We're not dealing with separate ocular powers here. The Rinnegan is the final stage or stop for the Sharingan; the Rinnegan is not an alternative path. We're building on old powers as new powers are obtained.

The Mangekyou Sharingan's Susanoo becomes Perfect Susanoo with the EMS; Susanoo can now pull meteorites from the atmosphere once the Rinnegan is achieved. Through obtaining Hashirama's power, Madara now wields a fraction of the Sage's power, thanks to the doujutsu he was able to obtain.

Combination of "text and imagery" push the reader to credit the Rinnegan as the required ocular power needed to utilize this power.

Susano'o are named from the Tengu in Japanese mythology and Tengai shinsei is accurate. When you examine the rudiments:

The literal meaning of Tengu is "Heaven 天” and “Dog 狗." In Chinese mythology, there is a related creature named Tien Kou (Tiangou 天狗), or "celestial hound." The name is misleading, however, as the crow-like Tengu looks nothing like a dog. One plausible theory is that the Chinese Tien Kou derived its name from a destructive meteor that hit China sometime in the 6th century BC. The tail of the falling body resembled that of a dog, hence the name and its initial association with destructive powers.

You claim it was a "rinnegan level technique" when we do not know the extents of the sharingan prowess, as it able to do many things beyond comprehension and in some cases like Shisui's Kotoamatsukami are more dangerous than the Rinnegan itself. Your speculation on the landscape is over-ridden by the scan itself as it was looking at the two meteorites which demolished the land scape. Kabuto's statements bears little credibility as he once claimed being closest to the sage and that the edo tensei has no weaknesses, but even given him the benefit of the doubt, What does he know of the Sage's power? Nothing. It is written on the Naka Shrine, something he's never came in contact with. Edo Madara's Rinnegan was just a hypothesis he formulated. You are illegible to the fact that the Sharingan itself became prominent because of the elder sons defective Rinnegan due to some external interference (mostlikely the juubi) causing a mutation in the Doujutsu. The full extents of the shaingan are yet to be seen as we've only recently discovered that Susano'o can cast handseals, something you failed to address in your rebuttal.

 

[Minator93]

Oh really?

Then what about the fact that Madara needs the imperfect Susanoo as well, both Madara and his Susanoo perform a handseal before he could use that tech, meaning the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan amplifies the technique

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Madara performs a seal [hand-sign] along with his Susanoo to summon those meteors

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In conclusion, to perform this mass destruction the Susanoo is required along with the Rinnegan and thus this technique is unique to Madara Uchiha.

 

[Lightbringer]

There are people that thought Tengai Shinsei was an EMS tech?

I thought it was pretty obvious that it was rinnegan....since it was active while cast

 

[lordmadarauchiha]

Oh really?

Then what about the fact that Madara needs the imperfect Susanoo as well, both Madara and his Susanoo perform a handseal before he could use that tech, meaning the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan amplifies the technique

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Madara performs a seal [hand-sign] along with his Susanoo to summon those meteors

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Now a clip form the VG about the

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In conclusion, to perform this mass destruction the Susanoo is required along with the Rinnegan and thus this technique is unique to Madara Uchiha.

Thank you for explaining this you succeeded in what I failed to do

 

[Klue]

Susano'o are named from the Tengu in Japanese mythology and Tengai shinsei is accurate. When you examine the rudiments:

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You claim it was a "rinnegan level technique" when we do not know the extents of the sharingan prowess, as it able to do many things beyond comprehension and in some cases like Shisui's Kotoamatsukami are more dangerous than the Rinnegan itself. Your speculation on the landscape is over-ridden by the scan itself as it was looking at the two meteorites which demolished the land scape. Kabuto's statements bears little credibility as he once claimed being closest to the sage and that the edo tensei has no weaknesses, but even given him the benefit of the doubt, What does he know of the Sage's power? Nothing. It is written on the Naka Shrine, something he's never came in contact with. Edo Madara's Rinnegan was just a hypothesis he formulated. You are illegible to the fact that the Sharingan itself became prominent because of the elder sons defective Rinnegan due to some external interference (mostlikely the juubi) causing a mutation in the Doujutsu. The full extents of the shaingan are yet to be seen as we've only recently discovered that Susano'o can cast handseals, something you failed to address in your rebuttal.

I claim that it's a Rinnegan ability due to the conversation that took place between Kabuto and Madara. The name doesn't really hold any weight with me, as I said, it's unofficial.

I'm not going to question Kabuto's credibility, there is no need to. Kabuto claimed it was a power of the So6p and Madara did not correct him - unlike when Kabuto stated that Madara is able to touch a fragment of God's power due to his (Kabuto's) efforts.

The fact that Susanoo performed handseals means what, exactly? Handseals are used to mold and direct chakra. It's not as if I'm saying Susanoo wasn't involved; I'm arguing that Susanoo and the Rinnegan are being used together: Lacking Susanoo, Nagato is incapable of matching this feat; Madara is capable because he can use both.

Sharingan/MS/EMS and Rinnegan are one and the same. Again, the Rinnegan exist as a stage in the Sharingan's natural development.

 

[Minator93]

There are people that thought Tengai Shinsei was an EMS tech?

I thought it was pretty obvious that it was rinnegan....since it was active while cast

Nope, its an Eternal Mangekyo + Rinnegan Technique.

 

[badassjuly18]

whats funny about this is that u guys waste time making a thread that might not even be truexD

 

[lordmadarauchiha]

Nope, its an Eternal Mangekyo + Rinnegain Technique.

Thank you for explaining this you succeeded in what I failed to do again

 

[DrProof]

Oh really?

Then what about the fact that Madara needs the imperfect Susanoo as well, both Madara and his Susanoo perform a handseal before he could use that tech, meaning the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan amplifies the technique

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Madara performs a seal [hand-sign] along with his Susanoo to summon those meteors

Spoiler

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Now a clip form the VG about the

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In conclusion, to perform this mass destruction the Susanoo is required along with the Rinnegan and thus this technique is unique to Madara Uchiha.

It's rather simple as to why Madara used his Susano'o to help perform the technique; faster implication. Why waste time on 3 mere handseals when you can do them with your Susano'o? It's a rather obvious sign as why he did that.

Taking information from a game isn't canon most likely. Just saying.

 

[Klue]

Nope, its an Eternal Mangekyo + Rinnegan Technique.

If you want to get super technically, it's a Mangekyou + Eternal Mangekyou + Rinnegan Technique. I feel that this entire ordeal wouldn't be such a big deal if the Rinnegan was called the Rinn Sharingan or something.

Like seriously, their all one doujutsu. All stages in the evolution of an Uchiha's eyes.

 

[Waltz]

I claim that it's a Rinnegan ability due to the conversation that took place between Kabuto and Madara. The name doesn't really hold any weight with me, as I said, it's unofficial.

I'm not going to question Kabuto's credibility, there is no need to. Kabuto claimed it was a power of the So6p and Madara did not correct him - unlike when Kabuto stated that Madara is able to touch a fragment of God's power due to his (Kabuto's) efforts.

The fact that Susanoo performed handseals means what, exactly? Handseals are used to mold and direct chakra. It's not as if I'm saying Susanoo wasn't involved; I'm arguing that Susanoo and the Rinnegan are being used together.

Sharingan/MS/EMS and Rinnegan are one and the same. Again, the Rinnegan exist as a stage in the Sharingan's natural development.

I opt that Madara may be able to use it without the Rinnegan for points stated but the very fact that the Rinnegan was prominent when he used the technique seemingly contradicts that. It is inconclusive as both ends have no absolute certification; however there is more weight on it being solely a particulary associated with Eien no Mangekyou.

 

[Klue]

I opt that Madara may be able to use it without the Rinnegan for points stated but the very fact that the Rinnegan was prominent when he used the technique seemingly contradicts that. It is inconclusive as both ends have no absolute certification; however there is more weight on it being solely a particulary associated with Eien no Mangekyou.

And I disagree.

Tell me what do you believe was the entire purpose of the conversation Kabuto and Madara partook in right as he dropped a space-deuce on the alliance?

1. "I awakened the Rinnegan before my death; how did you figure out the secret to my body when you can't read the Uchiha tablet?" - Madara
2. "Years of research bro, and thanks to that, you can now touch a fragment of the So6p's power." - Kabuto
3. "This isn't power of your creation" - Madara (proceeds to drop two meteorites)

????????


Funny thing though, is that you say it's an ability of the EMS, but that version of Susanoo is something originally obtained with the Mangekyou Sharingan. So why not call it a Mangekyou Sharingan ability instead?

 

[giopadilla]

this is a theory? more like stating the obvious, but then most don't comprehend on the level of dr. proof ;o

 

[Lightbringer]

Nope, its an Eternal Mangekyo + Rinnegan Technique.

actually yeah you're right....I forgot he used a susanoo with it to summon the meteor

 

[DrProof]

And I disagree.

Tell me what do you believe was the entire purpose of the conversation Kabuto and Madara partook in right as he dropped a space-deuce on the alliance?

1. "I awakened the Rinnegan before my death; how did you figure out the secret to my body when you can't read the Uchiha tablet?" - Madara
2. "Years of research bro, and thanks to that, you can now touch a fragment of the So6p's power." - Kabuto
3. "This isn't power of your creation" - Madara (proceeds to drop two meteorites)

????????

That's what I'm trying to figure out. How can one deny such evidence..

 

[DrProof]

this is a theory? more like stating the obvious, but then most don't comprehend on the level of dr. proof ;o

Take a look at everyone debating this.

 

[Klue]

That's what I'm trying to figure out. How can one deny such evidence..

Most do it because they simply don't like what they here/see. Just a few months ago, I continuously debated with people that refused to believe that the secret of Madara's body was the presence of Hashirama (Senju powers). It's to the point where the author must explicitly state every little thing.

But then again, there are still those who argue Izanagi can be used without Senju powers.

 

[Minator93]

It's rather simple as to why Madara used his Susano'o to help perform the technique; faster implication. Why waste time on 3 mere handseals when you can do them with your Susano'o? It's a rather obvious sign as why he did that.

Taking information from a game isn't canon most likely. Just saying.

And why was Madara in such a hurry then? He was merely toying with the alliance at that point, actually he had jumped back to where Muu was standing for a chat but decided to use the shattered heaven and did what was required to perform that technique i.e. Activate Susanoo and Use Rinnegan U_U

If you want to get super technically, it's a Mangekyou + Eternal Mangekyou + Rinnegan Technique. I feel that this entire ordeal wouldn't be such a big deal if the Rinnegan was called the Rinn Sharingan or something.

Like seriously, their all one doujutsu. All stages in the evolution of an Uchiha's eyes.

With Super technically we'll have to say that its Uchiha + Senju Eyes. I mean I can imagine if Hashirama had stolen Madara's EMS and waited for a lifetime maybe he too would have awakened the Rinnegan U_U

 

[Waltz]

And I disagree.

Tell me what do you believe was the entire purpose of the conversation Kabuto and Madara partook in right as he dropped a space-deuce on the alliance?

1. "I awakened the Rinnegan before my death; how did you figure out the secret to my body when you can't read the Uchiha tablet?" - Madara
2. "Years of research bro, and thanks to that, you can now touch a fragment of the So6p's power." - Kabuto
3. "This isn't power of your creation" - Madara (proceeds to drop two meteorites)

????????

Funny thing though, is that you say it's an ability of the EMS, but that version of Susanoo is something originally obtained with the Mangekyou Sharingan. So why not call it a Mangekyou Sharingan ability instead?

Madara said the power wasn't apart of Kabuto's creation as it's origins has nothing to do with kabuto. Has the Sage ever used the technique? According to kabuto a non-uchiha who formulates hypothesis based on research and has had statements proven wrong on many occasions "it is a fragment of his power" According to the uchiha stone Tablet, written by the Rikudo Sennin during his life story "No such thing was ever done by the sage". You may deduct which is more credible. The Sharingan's origins lies with the Juubi not the Sage of six paths as it is evident that it originally belonged to the juubi. It is also evident that some external interference brought about the sharingan (mostlikely the juubi). My reasoning is given such that:

Rinnegan - Yang half = EMS

but

Jinchuriki Rikudo's Rinnegan - Yang half = Elder sons doujutsu (mutated Rinnegan which later watered down to the sharingan)

If the gene's were pure, the Sage's elder son and his descendants would have had the Rinnegan. This is the reason why the Rinnegan can read more on the Naka Shrine than any version of the sharingan as the Sage wielded Doujutsu being the Rinnegan when he wrote the Naka shrine. Added to the Mythological rudiments of Susano'o, it is rather clear that it may solely be affilated with the Sharingan.

I Say EMS simply because of Mastery. The longer you have the doujutsu it is the more adept you become with it's use. Madara having a full bodied Version 1 susano'o as opposed to any other susano'o user seen thus far is evidence of that. I say EMS as it comprises of the sharingan's 5 stages (1,2,3 tomoe, MS, EMS).

 

[DrProof]

Most do it because they simply don't like what they here/see. Just a few months ago, I continuously debated with people that refused to believe that the secret of Madara's body was the presence of Hashirama (Senju powers). It's to the point where the author must explicitly state every little thing.

But then again, there are still those who argue Izanagi can be used without Senju powers.

NB logic.. All I can say.