(DrProof)The Rinnegan's Omnipotent; Tengai Shinsei

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Battle field? Take a look and tell me what you see him staring at:

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About Madara staring at the meteor, it still doesn't necessarily imply that the meteor tech was used before even if he was staring at it, the sight is in reference to the destructive power of the meteor tech that is comparable to the destructive force displayed during his fight with hashi.

Also, why would Kabuto refer to it as Rikudiu's power if it was a Sharingan jutsu.
 

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Look in the trivia section of that page.

Yes I saw it but the wikia classify it as a rennigan and EMS combo tech.Madara can still use Susanoo with his rennigan activated because his EMS evolved into the rennigan so he can still use his EMS techs with the rennigan activated
 

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Those are the sages technique, rinnegan is not the only thing needed to preform these moves on a bigger scale.
 

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One big problem.

The Jutsu was never given a name in the Manga. It gained the name "Heaven concealed" from the Video Game, Naruto: Shippuden: Ultimate Ninja Storm 3. Therefore, your basing your theory on non-canon connections.

But I agree that it's a Rinnegan Jutsu, but your reasoning is faulty.

exactly lol
 

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About Madara staring at the meteor, it still doesn't necessarily imply that the meteor tech was used before even if he was staring at it, the sight is in reference to the destructive power of the meteor tech that is comparable to the destructive force displayed during his fight with hashi.

Also, why would Kabuto refer to it as Rikudiu's power if it was a Sharingan jutsu.

because the sharigan is from the SO6P
 

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About Madara staring at the meteor, it still doesn't necessarily imply that the meteor tech was used before even if he was staring at it, the sight is in reference to the destructive power of the meteor tech that is comparable to the destructive force displayed during his fight with hashi.

Also, why would Kabuto refer to it as Rikudiu's power if it was a Sharingan jutsu.

Because the sage power was so much he does not need Susanoo for the extra pull,the juubi power would be powerful enough for the sage to use universal pull and that would pull mars to earth
 

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I believe a measly sharingan won't be able to do such feat.
Rinnegan allows godly technique related to the universe such as gravity and meteors.
 

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because the sharigan is from the SO6P

The Rikudo solely possessed the Rinnegan. While his Elder Son was the progenitor of the Sharingan, and Byakugan.
 

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But the elder son eyes originated from the sage

True. But they aren't his solely. The Rinnegan was solely the Sages eyes. Hence, why it's called the Samsara Eye; it controls life, and death. Same as which the Sage did.
 

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True. But they aren't his solely. The Rinnegan was solely the Sages eyes. Hence, why it's called the Samsara Eye; it controls life, and death. Same as which the Sage did.

The first rennigan was his eyes but now they are other wielders
 

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I've got to head out. I'll be back soon.
 

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About Madara staring at the meteor, it still doesn't necessarily imply that the meteor tech was used before even if he was staring at it, the sight is in reference to the destructive power of the meteor tech that is comparable to the destructive force displayed during his fight with hashi.


Another misconception you've made is that Madara was referring to the view he hasn't seen for a long time is a reference to the scalar power of the jutsu, not necessarily the recollection of using the tech before. The referrence of Madara's "the view he hadn't seen for a long time" concerns his fight with hashi, not necessarily using the meteor tech before.


Also, why would Kabuto refer to it as Rikudiu's power if it was a Sharingan jutsu.

Speculation, as we have not seen the entire battle and at what point such a view would've been seen. He made that statement specifically staring at the two destroyed meteors. It's not that hard to conceptualize. Kabuto's statements bears little credibility as he once claimed being closest to the sage and that the edo tensei has no weaknesses, but even given him the benefit of the doubt, What does he know of the Sage's power? Nothing. It is written on the Naka Shrine, something he's never came in contact with. Edo Madara's Rinnegan was just a hypothesis he formulated.

Shikaku simply deduced that it was Madara's technique because of the scale of the power of the tech. Madara being known as a God like shinobi like Hashirama that deduction was common sense. Also it does not imply that Shikaku researched the technique, only that the destructive power of the jutsu came from someone of Madara's power levels

Also I'm going to need scans of the sequence you've posted at the bottom.

Even give than, It still leans towards the possibility of him having the technique prior. I'm not saying that your wrong doc, but the evidence is against your theory.

Activates the Rinnegan to absorb Rasen-Shuriken [ ] -> Activates susano'o and weaves handseals along with it [ ] -> Meteorites appear [ ].
 
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to disprove the accusation that Tengai Shinsei is NOT a Sharingan based technique, but a Rinnegan based technique.
Didn't you do the exact opposite XD
 

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You have not actually proven it is an Rinnegan technique but simply made a deduction based on the word "Heavenly", it is an erroneous deduction as not only have you disregarded the Handseals made by susano'o [ ] being Tatsu, the Dragon seal and Tairitsu no In which represents half of a seal that can be used to activate a ninjutsu but also generalized a single word instead of factually proving it was a Rinnegan Jutsu. The technique itself cannot be used outside of susano'o as not only was Nagato a rinnegan user unable to perform the technique but Madara had to activate His susano'o and cast these seals for the Meteorites to actually appear. There is also other canonical evidence pointing towards it being a technique Madara wielded prior to activating the rinnegan being:

The name of the technique (though unofficial) is inline with the other God Realm powers of the Rinnegan. More importantly, the conversation between Kabuto and Madara at the time implicitly confirmed it to be a Rinnegan level ability. After witnessing the destruction, Kabuto marveled at the power of the Six Paths.

-> Shikaku having no knowledge that madara possessed the rinnegan immediately and without second thought, attributed the "Doton like" technique as Madara's jutsu only implying that He has conducted research/come across such a jutsu that may have been used in the past by madara. His credibility is one of the best in the series [ ]

Of course he did, who else could have done it?

Muu?


-> Madara's recollection that the sight of his two meteors as "A view he hasn't enjoyed in a long time" implying that he has used the jutsu prior to Awakening the Rinengan as we have been told exactly what events occurred after the doujutsu's birth in his old age [ ]

It's a view he hasn't seen since the days long ago when he would reshape the landscape with the power of his Perfect Susanoo. One swing of his sword could destroy all creation.

Again, within that same panel, Kabuto claimed it was an ability of the Sage of the Six Paths.

A Similar misconception was made when majority held the belief that Perfect Susano'o was a Rinnegan based technique due to it being prominent at the point of activation. The evidence is clearly against your theory. Following up on events when Madara used the jutsu:

That majority was always off base. Madara said that only Hashirama could stop him, and clashes between the two would reshape the landscape, but now that Hashirama is no longer around, the maps wouldn't change so much.

Madara's ability to reshape the landscape was thanks to the Perfect Susanoo; he hadn't yet obtained the Rinnegan back then.

-> He activated the Rinnegan to absorb naruto Rasen-Shuriken
-> He activated Susano'o
-> Weaved handseals along with Susano'o

Then the appearance of the two meteorites occurred.

Indeed. A Rinnegan ability that is used in conjunction with Susanoo - what's the big deal? We're not dealing with separate ocular powers here. The Rinnegan is the final stage or stop for the Sharingan; the Rinnegan is not an alternative path. We're building on old powers as new powers are obtained.

The Mangekyou Sharingan's Susanoo becomes Perfect Susanoo with the EMS; Susanoo can now pull meteorites from the atmosphere once the Rinnegan is achieved. Through obtaining Hashirama's power, Madara now wields a fraction of the Sage's power, thanks to the doujutsu he was able to obtain.

Combination of "text and imagery" push the reader to credit the Rinnegan as the required ocular power needed to utilize this power.
 
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