The barrier is a barrier thing means that what it can actually do. We know what a barrier can do. That is only to settle Ispeaks case that Minato's barrier is only good at the front. Any anime's i've seen, there's no such thing as a barrier protecting only a certain part like the front.
Lmao, so because it only protects the front of Minato it can't be considered a barrier jutsu? I guess Kamui cant be a barrier jutsu either because it only works for what is in front of him. Please, do you even know what a barrier jutsu is?
The barrier is a barrier thing means that what it can actually do. We know what a barrier can do. That is only to settle Ispeaks case that Minato's barrier is only good at the front. Any anime's i've seen, there's no such thing as a barrier protecting only a certain part like the front. Only you guys are assuming that it can only protect Minato from a certain part just to undermine it's capability. That's purely assumption because there's no way you can back it up but me can use the barrier thing of what it can really do.
By the way, About being stationary, Kushina made the barrier before Minato told her his plan of using 8 trigrams proven here:
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that's page 13 of chapter 503 and finally revealing his plans here:
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chapter 503 p.17.
Now, is it really needed for the target to be stationary? OR it's just you assuming that? Manga scans tells nothing about being stationary to be able to seal a target.
So do you think that 8 trigram can just seal away the chakra of anyone you ask at any time? You keep trying to somehow disprove the manga evidence I'm giving you yet you don't have any manga proof at all of your own. Kushina chaining him down first doesn't mean that the 8 trigram would work without him being pinned. If the nine tails were free to move don't you think he would've ran to keep his chakra from being sealed? Which goes back to my first question do you HONESTLY think the 8 trigram can just magically seal the chakra of anyone whether they are on the battlefield, off the battlefield, stationary or not? Minato wasn't the only one that could do 8 trigram by the way. Jiraiya could do it too remember he put a new and improved on Naruto once his weakened too much. Why didn't Jiraiya just pull up the throne and trap oro's chakra or pein's chakra if you could do it without keeping your opponent contained huh?
The manga shows that the nine tails was pinned down when the seals were placed. That's a FACT. Everything you are saying is just an opinion and assumption. You are purposely going against the manga and that's crazy.
As far as the barrier is concerned, the manga shows that Minato's barrier stems from the KUNAI. The incoming attack has to be directed at the KUNAI to be sucked in. It's as clear as day. You saying it doesn't is your baseless opinion which is going against the manga dude. I don't know about attacking him from behind to avoid STB, but I do know that he has only been shown to perform STB through that kunai and he had to hold the kunai the enitre time until the attack was completely absorbed. So as far as you and I are concerned, that's the ONLY wa it works until proven otherwise, and you have NO proof that it works any other way because it's only been shown to work this way. Since that's the case, he can't hold up his barrier and corner his opponent to do 8 trigram on them. Even if his barrier stayed up on it's own, it can't just move on it's own, meaning it would be useless if it could only stay in one spot. All you would have to do is NOT ATTACK THAT SPOT.
Now, that's coming from you that you are only assuming based on what you have seen. Can you solve cases by just your eyes alone? By just of what you've seen alone? Sometimes, we need to use our brain to analyze things. In here, you are arguing me because you ASSUMEthat Minato's barrier can only protect him at the front because that's what you saw.
You conclude based on one example only? We'll if I ask you if you can show me a scan that Minato can't defend an attack coming from his back, can you actually provide it?
One question, what difference can it make if Minato holds his kunai with both hands or with one hand? Can you answer this one? Can he not activate the barrier if he is holding with only one hand. If indeed he can activate it with one hand, can't he use the other hand to summon? Does the throne needs hand seals to be summoned?
But you haven't given any proof that it CAN protect him from behind... I am going by what the Manga hints (since it hasn't been directly stated) and from looking at the scans I and evidently many others believe he needs to keep his Kunai up to position the barrier. Like I said before, why would Minato randomly stand up holding his kunai if he doesn't need to? Obiously it is for his space time barrier... I don't see why this is so hard for you to understand yet easy for others.
So like I said, you created the thread so you have to prove or give enough evidence to show exactly how Minato's S/T barrier works, which you have not done.
Like I said, a simply clone from behind would force Minato to fight back and put down the barrier. Not hard. Plus you forgot to mention that the Four and Eight Trigrams Seal are short ranged.
IDK about if it's Itachi fighting but another ninja could use earth style jutsu to go underground and avoid his chakra being sealed and maybe go under the s/t barrier.
Dude can you answer me this? So Minato activates the Space-Time Barrier on the nine tails right? You claim that once the barrier is up it's automatically up, but it also is mobie and Minato doesn't have to hold up his kunai to keep it active. You also said that it could handle more than one attack at a time. Well answer me this. Once Minato activated it here:
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Why didn't it stay up and suck in Obito here:
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Obito was clearly moving in to attack Minat and got close enough to touch him. If the barrier were still up didn't rely on the kunai to stay active as you said, shouldn't the barrier have tried to suck in Obito? We never saw him deactivate it after all. And dont say it's because Obito has S/T jutsu. He can teleport out of the other dimension, but he can also be teleported into it as well. He was also clearly not transparent either, as he was trying to grab Minato, and he has to solidify in order to touch people.
Also, why didn't the barrier suck in the nine tails here:
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The nine tails should've never been able to attack him from behind if the "barrier" worked as you said. And again, when did he deactivate the seal?
Like how can you honestly call out iSpeak for using "one" manga example and drawing his conclusion when you aren't using any at all?
But you haven't given any proof that it CAN protect him from behind... I am going by what the Manga hints (since it hasn't been directly stated) and from looking at the scans I and evidently many others believe he needs to keep his Kunai up to position the barrier. Like I said before, why would Minato randomly stand up holding his kunai if he doesn't need to? Obiously it is for his space time barrier... I don't see why this is so hard for you to understand yet easy for others.
So like I said, you created the thread so you have to prove or give enough evidence to show exactly how Minato's S/T barrier works, which you have not done.
Like I said, a simply clone from behind would force Minato to fight back and put down the barrier. Not hard. Plus you forgot to mention that the Four and Eight Trigrams Seal is short ranged.
Dude. Based on one example only, you concluded that his barrier is limited to protecting him from the front only. You said I did not give any prrof..read well dude. I'm arguing about what a barrier is and what it can do like Konoha's barrier protecting Konoha, Kushina's barrier protecting an area covering front, back and sides. Those are barriers. Different name but their purpose and what it can do are the same. That's 2 example right? Do i need to include different anime's or movies just to show you of what a barrier can really do?
Dude can you answer me this? So Minato activates the Space-Time Barrier on the nine tails right? You claim that once the barrier is up it's automatically up, but it also is mobie and Minato doesn't have to hold up his kunai to keep it active. You also said that it could handle more than one attack at a time. Well answer me this. Once Minato activated it here:
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Why didn't it stay up and suck in Obito here:
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Obito was clearly moving in to attack Minat and got close enough to touch him. If the barrier were still up didn't rely on the kunai to stay active as you said, shouldn't the barrier have tried to suck in Obito? We never saw him deactivate it after all. And dont say it's because Obito has S/T jutsu. He can teleport out of the other dimension, but he can also be teleported into it as well. He was also clearly not transparent either, as he was trying to grab Minato, and he has to solidify in order to touch people.
Also, why didn't the barrier suck in the nine tails here:
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The nine tails should've never been able to attack him from behind if the "barrier" worked as you said. And again, when did he deactivate the seal?
Like how can you honestly call out iSpeak for using "one" manga example and drawing his conclusion when you aren't using any at all?
Wow. I did not given any? ahahah..please read and understand what i'm trying to point out. Even you as a fellow manga reader and anime lover knows what a barrier can do and I can give as many as I want of what a barrier can do. Konoha's barrier, Kushina's barrier..now you can now look at how their barrier works. You can also refer any other movies of how a barrier works.
With regards to your question about Obito, He can get in and out of a barrier as being said by Minato that only Madara can get past Konoha's barrier. What made you think that Obito can be sucked by the barrier? Maybe you have forgotten that Obito has S/T techs. By the way, I have already explained in my previous posts that it's up to the caster to dispel the barrier or not. Saying that after he put down his kunai will dispel the barrier makes no sense at all.
Your question about why didn't the barrier suck in the nine tails is absurd. Why? Because that barrier you are referring to was Kushina's barrier and it is not known to suck things or redirect attacks..LOL
We are discussing about space time barrier. Asking this questions proves that you are not paying attention to what the discussion is all about.
What do you mean? It's not as if a throne is a jutsu he needs to maintan. It's like every summoning jutsu. All he needs is to summon it, after that, he doesn't need to care about it. All he needs is to redirect something/someone inside the throne(probably marked)
Dude. Based on one example only, you concluded that his barrier is limited to protecting him from the front only. You said I did not give any prrof..read well dude. I'm arguing about what a barrier is and what it can do like Konoha's barrier protecting Konoha, Kushina's barrier protecting an area covering front, back and sides. Those are barriers. Different name but their purpose and what it can do are the same. That's 2 example right? Do i need to include different anime's or movies just to show you of what a barrier can really do?
And I gave you an example of a barrier which doesn't protect behind which you obviously ignored (Kamui). But I don't even see why I needed to give an example, whether it protects all around or just in front doesn't stop it from being a barrier jutsu. Do you actually know what a barrier jutsu is? It doesn't say anywhere that all barrier jutsu's protect all around... don't know where you got that idea from. You can bring up a trillon examples of barriers that protect all around if you want, it doesn't contradict my point...
What do you mean? It's not as if a throne is a jutsu he needs to maintan. It's like every summoning jutsu. All he needs is to summon it, after that, he doesn't need to care about it. All he needs is to redirect something/someone inside the throne(probably marked)
And I gave you an example of a barrier which doesn't protect behind which you obviously ignored (Kamui). But I don't even see why I needed to give an example, whether it protects all around or just in front doesn't stop it from being a barrier jutsu. Do you actually know what a barrier jutsu is? It doesn't say anywhere that all barrier jutsu's protect all around... don't know where you got that idea from.
I throw that back at you? where did you get the idea that the space time barrier only limited to protecting the front part only? Based on one example only? LOL
All the barriers we have seen so far have an area to protect but not limited to the front part only. An area consisting of front, back, and sides.
And I gave you an example of a barrier which doesn't protect behind which you obviously ignored (Kamui)
Kamui is a barrier? Really?? This is great. I'll explain what a barrier is in layman's term..A barrier is something that blocks passage. All our examples shows that it can block an attack. Perfectly fit the definition. Now, why consider kamui a barrier..hahahaha
I throw that back at you? where did you get the idea that the space time barrier only limited to protecting the front part only? Based on one example only? LOL
Kamui is a barrier? Really?? This is great. I'll explain what a barrier is in layman's term..A barrier is something that blocks passage. All our examples shows that it can block an attack. Perfectly fit the definition. Now, why consider kamui a barrier..hahahaha
Please point out where I said all S/T barriers only protect the front... I never said that.
Yes Kamui is a barrier technique... it seems you don't even understand what a barrier technique is for lmao. You honestly should have done more research before making this thread.
Kamui shields you from incoming attacks, therefore its a barrier technique. Its very similar to Minato's technique. Its not that hard to understand.
Minato is seen holding his kunai up and the barrier is infront of the kunai, correct? Then obviously I and many other with sense would assume he needs to have his kunai in place to position and redirect the attacks... you haven't even tried to counter it and explain why in the world Minato would have his kunai raised for no reason.
You say he needs to have his kunai in place? What if he uses multiple kunais then? What if he puts them in place around him and erect barrier thru these kunais?
Wow. I did not given any? ahahah..please read and understand what i'm trying to point out. Even you as a fellow manga reader and anime lover knows what a barrier can do and I can give as many as I want of what a barrier can do. Konoha's barrier, Kushina's barrier..now you can now look at how their barrier works. You can also refer any other movies of how a barrier works.
With regards to your question about Obito, He can get in and out of a barrier as being said by Minato that only Madara can get past Konoha's barrier. What made you think that Obito can be sucked by the barrier? Maybe you have forgotten that Obito has S/T techs. By the way, I have already explained in my previous posts that it's up to the caster to dispel the barrier or not. Saying that after he put down his kunai will dispel the barrier makes no sense at all.
Your question about why didn't the barrier suck in the nine tails is absurd. Why? Because that barrier you are referring to was Kushina's barrier and it is not known to suck things or redirect attacks..LOL
We are discussing about space time barrier. Asking this questions proves that you are not paying attention to what the discussion is all about.
You are purposely playing dumb at this point. I was not talking about Kushina's barrier. I asked you why did the nine tails not get sucked in Minato's STB that he had activated earlier to suck in the nine tails's TBB. It was the same question I asked in regard to Obito, which you answered only because you used the fact that he has S/T jutsu as an excuse. Why did you try and change my question to make it seem as if I were asking about Kushina?
Face it you have no answer for my last question. It was YOU who said that the Space Time Barrier doesn't need the Kunai to be active. It was YOU who said it that once it was activated it would automatically stay active like a regular barrier. It was YOU who said it could protect him from behind. Yet the nine tails was able to attack Minato from behind and hit him even though Minato had activated his Space Time Barrier earlier. Why wasn't the nine tails attack blocked/absorbed by the barrier that should've still been up and running according to your definition of a barrier?
Can you explain this? If not then stop wasting time with this silly argument and /thread
Minato's barrier doesn't work like a normal barrier because it can send attacks in and out of the other dimension. So you trying to apply basic barrier knowledge to it is stupid. It's clearly not a basic barrier and doesn't operate under the same rules. You can't show me a single page where the barrier works as you say yet we've shown you pages where it's working EXACTLY as we've said. Obito wasn't absorbed by the Space Time Barrier because it wasn't active anymore since the Kunai wasn't being held up. The Space Time Barrier simply sends the attack to the other dimension. Obito isn't immune from being sent to the other dimension. He may have the power to get out of it but he can still be sucked into it. Yet we never saw the Space Time Barrier try to suck him in nor did we see him escaping from the other dimension so that means that after the TBB Minato's Space Time Barrier wasn't active anymore. And we never saw him deactivate it. Later on the nine tails was able to attack him from behind and pierce through him. The nine tails should've been absorbed like the TBB if the barrier worked as you claim but he wasn't which is proof that THE SPACE TIME BARRIER DOESN'T WORK LIKE YOU THINK
Please point out where I said all S/T barriers only protect the front... I never said that.
Yes Kamui is a barrier technique... it seems you don't even understand what a barrier technique is for lmao. You honestly should have done more research before making this thread.
Kamui shields you from incoming attacks, therefore its a barrier technique. Honestly, its not that hard to understand.
Wow. kamui is a barrier..OK...You know english is not my first language but as far as I'm concerned a shield is something that intercept attacks by stopping it like an armor of some sort. I checked Kamui and all I can find is that it is a space time tech which have these two functions, teleportation and intangibility. I can't find exactly where it was stated that Kamui is a barrier. Aren't you the one who said that it only need a clone to appear at the back of Minato?
No... from what I can tell Minato needs his Kunai (with the FTG marking) to place the barrier and teleport the attacks to another location... its not done automatically. Plus, the barrier is only formed where his Kunai is. All it takes is a clone or something to attack from behind... this is so easy to counter lol.
You say he needs to have his kunai in place? What if he uses multiple kunais then? What if he puts them in place around him and erect barrier thru these kunais?
Wow. kamui is a barrier..OK...You know english is not my first language but as far as I'm concerned a shield is something that intercept attacks by stopping it like an armor of some sort. I checked Kamui and all I can find is that it is a space time tech which have these two functions, teleportation and intangibility. I can't find exactly where it was stated that Kamui is a barrier. Aren't you the one who said that it only need a clone to appear at the back of Minato?
Well I am telling you now, Kamui is a barrier technique simply because it defends against incoming attacks. Thats what a barrier does. Anyone who knows what a barrier is would tell you the same.
And yes I said that work agains Minato's barrier, not every single barrier...
You are purposely playing dumb at this point. I was not talking about Kushina's barrier. I asked you why did the nine tails not get sucked in Minato's STB that he had activated earlier to suck in the nine tails's TBB. It was the same question I asked in regard to Obito, which you answered only because you used the fact that he has S/T jutsu as an excuse. Why did you try and change my question to make it seem as if I were asking about Kushina?
Face it you have no answer for my last question. It was YOU who said that the Space Time Barrier doesn't need the Kunai to be active. It was YOU who said it that once it was activated it would automatically stay active like a regular barrier. It was YOU who said it could protect him from behind. Yet the nine tails was able to attack Minato from behind and hit him even though Minato had activated his Space Time Barrier earlier. Why wasn't the nine tails attack blocked/absorbed by the barrier that should've still been up and running according to your definition of a barrier?
Can you explain this? If not then stop wasting time with this silly argument and /thread
Minato's barrier doesn't work like a normal barrier because it can send attacks in and out of the other dimension. So you trying to apply basic barrier knowledge to it is stupid. It's clearly not a basic barrier and doesn't operate under the same rules. You can't show me a single page where the barrier works as you say yet we've shown you pages where it's working EXACTLY as we've said. Obito wasn't absorbed by the Space Time Barrier because it wasn't active anymore since the Kunai wasn't being held up. The Space Time Barrier simply sends the attack to the other dimension. Obito isn't immune from being sent to the other dimension. He may have the power to get out of it but he can still be sucked into it. Yet we never saw the Space Time Barrier try to suck him in nor did we see him escaping from the other dimension so that means that after the TBB Minato's Space Time Barrier wasn't active anymore. And we never saw him deactivate it. Later on the nine tails was able to attack him from behind and pierce through him. The nine tails should've been absorbed like the TBB if the barrier worked as you claim but he wasn't which is proof that THE SPACE TIME BARRIER DOESN'T WORK LIKE YOU THINK
Wow boy. Your scan proves it all. Check your previous post. Where did it states the STB sucks everything? It can redirect attacks once in CONTACTwith the barrier not to suck something in front of it..reread the manga.
Debating with a kid is such a pain. A barrier, any kind of it, has the same purpose. You don't know?? Minato's barrier can redirect attacks once in contact with the barrier. It's up for Minato where to send it. Where did you get the idea that it will suck something not in contact with it?
He still needs to hold the kunai to redirect the attacks.
Well I am telling you now, Kamui is a barrier technique simply because it defends against incoming attacks. Thats what a barrier does. Anyone who knows what a barrier is would tell you the same.
Well I am telling you now, Kamui is a barrier technique simply because it defends against incoming attacks
hahaha...you are telling me now even though it is still not considered a barrier. well, who knows..Kishi might consider Kamui a barrier because of your brilliant idea.
Nice arguing with you and troyg39. got to go..one tip b4 i go..Kamui is not a barrier. believe me. You can create a poll so we'll know if you are right.
Oh really? And your proof of it is? Because you see him holding a kunai? If you failed to notice it's because
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needed to redirect the attack. That doesn't mean he needs to hold it. It's only that for that situation he needed a kunai to redirect immediately, so summoned/created it
Wow boy. Your scan proves it all. Check your previous post. Where did it states the STB sucks everything? It can redirect attacks once in CONTACTwith the barrier not to suck something in front of it..reread the manga.
Dude are you SERIOUS? The space time barrier doesn't redirect attacks on it's own. It literally warps the incoming attack you can clearly see the TBB being sucked into the barrier! Once sucked in, Minato has to physically carry the attack somewhere else. I already showed you the proof of this.
What are you even reading. Where did I say it sucks in any attack WITHOUT COMING INTO CONTACT WITH IT? Where? I never said that you are purposely trying to change my words to avoid answering my questions.
And AGAIN. Shouldn't the nine tails claw have been "redirected" as you put it when he attacked Minato? If the barrier can cover more than the front as you claim, how did the nine tails manage to avoid the space time barrier that minato activated earlier? Answer the question dude stop avoiding it. If you have no answer admit you are wrong like a man stop acting like a child.
Oh really? And your proof of it is? Because you see him holding a kunai? If you failed to notice it's because
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from the start when you see him composing the handseals. So basically i suppose the handseals where used to
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needed to redirect the attack. That doesn't mean he needs to hold it. It's only that for that situation he needed a kunai to redirect immediately, so summoned/created it
What are you even saying? If he didn't need the Kunai why use it in the first place if he could just put up the barrier without it? The point is that the Kunai was needed for the barrier and you can clearly see the kunai is where the barrier was focused from. The argument is whether or not the Kunai is needed for the barrier to work and you didn't say anything to support the idea that he doesn't need the kunai. If you have nothing better than that to add please don't throw any more confusion in the mix it's enough coming from the thread maker.
Oh really? And your proof of it is? Because you see him holding a kunai? If you failed to notice it's because
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from the start when you see him composing the handseals. So basically i suppose the handseals where used to
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needed to redirect the attack. That doesn't mean he needs to hold it. It's only that for that situation he needed a kunai to redirect immediately, so summoned/created it
What? No, the hand seals weren't to summon the kunai... they were to create the barrier. He then needs the kunai to place the barrier and redirect the attacks (thats what I gathered from the panels anyway).
But even if he doesn't, the barrier still doesn't protect him from an arial.
