Can someone beat this?

[Bogard]

What are you even saying? If he didn't need the Kunai why use it in the first place if he could just put up the barrier without it? The point is that the Kunai was needed for the barrier and you can clearly see the kunai is where the barrier was focused from. The argument is whether or not the Kunai is needed for the barrier to work and you didn't say anything to support the idea that he doesn't need the kunai. If you have nothing better than that to add please don't throw any more confusion in the mix it's enough coming from the thread maker.

I'm not saying he doesn't need kunai. I'm saying he doesn't need to hold it

 

[ajpn920]

Dude are you SERIOUS? The space time barrier doesn't redirect attacks on it's own. It literally warps the incoming attack you can clearly see the TBB being sucked into the barrier! Once sucked in, Minato has to physically carry the attack somewhere else. I already showed you the proof of this.

What are you even reading. Where did I say it sucks in any attack WITHOUT COMING INTO CONTACT WITH IT? Where? I never said that you are purposely trying to change my words to avoid answering my questions.

And AGAIN. Shouldn't the nine tails claw have been "redirected" as you put it when he attacked Minato? If the barrier can cover more than the front as you claim, how did the nine tails manage to avoid the space time barrier that minato activated earlier? Answer the question dude stop avoiding it. If you have no answer admit you are wrong like a man stop acting like a child.

And AGAIN. Shouldn't the nine tails claw have been "redirected" as you put it when he attacked Minato? If the barrier can cover more than the front as you claim, how did the nine tails manage to avoid the space time barrier that minato activated earlier? Answer the question dude stop avoiding it. If you have no answer admit you are wrong like a man stop acting like a child

what is this? let's clarify this..what do you mean by this one? show scan please. we are not on the same page..

The space time barrier doesn't redirect attacks on it's own. It literally warps the incoming attack you can clearly see the TBB being sucked into the barrier! Once sucked in, Minato has to physically carry the attack somewhere else. I already showed you the proof of this.

I can't remember arguing you with this. what you argued was why kurama was not SUCKED by the STB and i explained that the space time barrier redirects attacks once contacted with the barrier. Of course it's up for Minato where to send it.

 

[iSpeak]

hahaha...you are telling me now even though it is still not considered a barrier. well, who knows..Kishi might consider Kamui a barrier because of your brilliant idea.

Nice arguing with you and troyg39. got to go..one tip b4 i go..Kamui is not a barrier. believe me. You can create a poll so we'll know if you are right.

You can quote me as your signature I really don't care... doesn't stop me from being right. Kamui is a barrier technique.

 

[Troyg39]

I'm not saying he doesn't need kunai. I'm saying he doesn't need to hold it

And I'm saying that you came in on the argument late. The entire basis of this arugment is whether or not Minato can use his space time barrier to avoid attacks while using his 8 trigram to seal his opponents chakra.

Even if it worked as you say, and he could just put up mutliple barriers and throw his kunai around, all the oponent would have to do is not attack his kunai. And I don't know what you believe, but the thread maker also believes that you can seal a persons chakra with 8 trigram as soon as you summon the throne without even first capturing the opponent, which is basically like saying you can seal someone's chakra who isn't even on the battlefield or on the same area.

I get what you are saying and that could be a possibility. It just doesn't do anything to help the current argument

 

[Bogard]

What? No, the hand seals weren't to summon the kunai... they were to create the barrier. He then needs the kunai to place the barrier and redirect the attacks (thats what I gathered from the panels anyway).
But even if he doesn't, the barrier still doesn't protect him from an arial.

So you are basically saying that Minato we see on the first panel with no kunais in the hand at all, made the handseals, then took a kunai out of nowhere(in his jacket? In his pants?) then put back his arms in place of the handseals he already executed purposely and erected the barrier? Seems legit...

I don't think so. Like i've said, we see him with no kunais at all from the start. Where do you think the kunai suddenly came from to erect the barrier? Also, the barrier seems to be huge,

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itself(which is comparable to a Bijuu in size), so do you really think that a barrier that huge can't protect Minato who is unmeasurably smaller?

Furthermore, what if Minato puts the kunai above him while others surrounds him? Doesn't it cover from arial attacks as well?

 

[Troyg39]

what is this? let's clarify this..what do you mean by this one? show scan please. we are not on the same page..

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See the claw penetrating Minato? This was AFTER he had activated his space time barrier earlier. If it had remained active, the nine tails INCOMING ATTACK should've been "REDIRECTED" right? the nine tails should've come in contact with the space time barrier if the space time barrier works like a normal barrier. In this case Minato should've been protected from all angles, including the front back?

Barriers usually protect from all angles right? That's typically what a barrier does correct? Yet CLEARLY an incoming attack hit Minato AFTER his barrier was activated earlier. This means that his space time barrier doesn't work like a regular one. It doesn't stay up automatically, otherwise the nine tails claw would've been "redirected" and never hit Minato.

Stop avoiding this for the last time. I've shown you this page more than once.

The only reasonable defense you have left other than admitting I'm right is saying that the space time barrier doesn't protect against physical attacks but only chakra based. Ofcorse, that would go against what we know a typical barrier can do, which still hurts your entire argument until this point, and provides a clear means which someone could avoid the space time barrier

 

[Troyg39]

So you are basically saying that Minato we see on the first panel with no kunais in the hand at all, made the handseals, then took a kunai out of nowhere(in his jacket? In his pants?) then put back his arms in place of the handseals he already executed purposely and erected the barrier? Seems legit...

I don't think so. Like i've said, we see him with no kunais at all from the start. Where do you think the kunai suddenly came from to erect the barrier? Also, the barrier seems to be huge,

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itself(which is comparable to a Bijuu in size), so do you really think that a barrier that huge can't protect Minato who is unmeasurably smaller?

Furthermore, what if Minato puts the kunai above him while others surrounds him? Doesn't it cover from arial attacks as well?

This isn't as impossble as you make it sound. He can places his FTG seals on his kunai you knnow. Plus have you ever seen a summoning jutsu? Usually it takes two hands to do the seal, but when have you ever seen a ninja put the seal on the ground with both hands? They usually only need one hand to apply the seal, they just need two to perform the signs.

Minato could've used two hands to perform the signs, taken out his Kunai from wherever he normally keeps them with one hand, and used the other to put the seal on the kunai. He then proceeded to hold the Kunai in place until the TBB was absorbed.

What you need to be asking yourself is when has Minato ever had to summon a kunai? He keeps mutliple on him. You act like him pulling one out his jacket or his ninja gear is impossible

 

[iSpeak]

So you are basically saying that Minato we see on the first panel with no kunais in the hand at all, made the handseals, then took a kunai out of nowhere(in his jacket? In his pants?) then put back his arms in place of the handseals he already executed purposely and erected the barrier? Seems legit...

I don't think so. Like i've said, we see him with no kunais at all from the start. Where do you think the kunai suddenly came from to erect the barrier? Also, the barrier seems to be huge,

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itself(which is comparable to a Bijuu in size), so do you really think that a barrier that huge can't protect Minato who is unmeasurably smaller?

Furthermore, what if Minato puts the kunai above him while others surrounds him? Doesn't it cover from arial attacks as well?

Erm... you do know Minato keeps kunai's on him in his pouch right? And yes, why wouldn't he be able to do that?
I don't see how big the barrier being has anything to do with what I am saying... and like I said before, he still needs to hold the kunai to redirect the attack from what I can see.

 

[PabloEscobar]

Mighty Guy Stop's this. he don't need CHAKRA.

 

[ajpn920]

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See the claw penetrating Minato? This was AFTER he had activated his space time barrier earlier. If it had remained active, the nine tails INCOMING ATTACK should've been "REDIRECTED" right? the nine tails should've come in contact with the space time barrier if the space time barrier works like a normal barrier. In this case Minato should've been protected from all angles, including the front back?

Barriers usually protect from all angles right? That's typically what a barrier does correct? Yet CLEARLY an incoming attack hit Minato AFTER his barrier was activated earlier. This means that his space time barrier doesn't work like a regular one. It doesn't stay up automatically, otherwise the nine tails claw would've been "redirected" and never hit Minato.

Stop avoiding this for the last time. I've shown you this page more than once.

The only reasonable defense you have left other than admitting I'm right is saying that the space time barrier doesn't protect against physical attacks but only chakra based. Ofcorse, that would go against what we know a typical barrier can do, which still hurts your entire argument until this point, and provides a clear means which someone could avoid the space time barrier

See the claw penetrating Minato? This was AFTER he had activated his space time barrier earlier. If it had remained active, the nine tails INCOMING ATTACK should've been "REDIRECTED" right? the nine tails should've come in contact with the space time barrier if the space time barrier works like a normal barrier. In this case Minato should've been protected from all angles, including the front back?

Oh, I see. You're saying you are right? let's see..1st, if you can remember, he activated his S/T barrier here:

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and that panel with Kurama's claw is not on that same place.

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So, what now? are you still going to argue with that? Besides, I did say that it depends on Minato if he wants to dispel the barrier or not. Stop looking for excuses. With just one look, you know that they are not on the same place.

 

[NarutoKage2]

But you haven't given any proof that it CAN protect him from behind... I am going by what the Manga hints (since it hasn't been directly stated) and from looking at the scans I and evidently many others believe he needs to keep his Kunai up to position the barrier. Like I said before, why would Minato randomly stand up holding his kunai if he doesn't need to? Obiously it is for his space time barrier... I don't see why this is so hard for you to understand yet easy for others.
So like I said, you created the thread so you have to prove or give enough evidence to show exactly how Minato's S/T barrier works, which you have not done.
Like I said, a simply clone from behind would force Minato to fight back and put down the barrier. Not hard. Plus you forgot to mention that the Four and Eight Trigrams Seal is short ranged.

There's obviously more than one kind of s/t barrier and its obvious that you fail to see the distinction. The barrier that stopped Hiruzen from reaching the kyuubi was protected on ALL sides(otherwise you think he'd have stopped, knowing him), while its unknown if the barrier that dealt with the bijuu dama was or not. There is a shortage of info which probably will get addressed soon now but meanwhile you can't say that it may not be protected from all sides either.

OT: minato gets underrated mostly and has caused like a billion flame wars on NB in these retarded versus type threads, so while i agree that its possible to infer these abilities making such threads usually end up with a negative result.

 

[Minator93]

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We see that he teleported Kurama w/out touchingU_U

This is one powerful combo AJ first summon the altar and then use the barrier!!

 

[NarutoKage2]

What are you even saying? If he didn't need the Kunai why use it in the first place if he could just put up the barrier without it? The point is that the Kunai was needed for the barrier and you can clearly see the kunai is where the barrier was focused from. The argument is whether or not the Kunai is needed for the barrier to work and you didn't say anything to support the idea that he doesn't need the kunai. If you have nothing better than that to add please don't throw any more confusion in the mix it's enough coming from the thread maker.

Are you really that dumb? He just gave you obvious proof that minato did'nt need to hold onto the kunai for the s/t jutsu seals to be performed as you had foolishly claimed throughout this thread. Honestly it was a very good point that even i had overlooked as its easy to miss. Stop obsessing with that one pic where he has the kunai in his hand, for all we know the kunai might just be used to re enforce the tech as it was a bijuu dama there, we know thanks to bogard's post it is'nt a necessary item in that jutsu.

 

[Minator93]

Actually I think Minato does need a Kunai for the S/T barrier, I had overlooked this fact but after observing the following scan I think he needs the Kunai

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The upper right panel, he's holding a Kunai in his right hand.

 

[iSpeak]

There's obviously more than one kind of s/t barrier and its obvious that you fail to see the distinction. The barrier that stopped Hiruzen from reaching the kyuubi was protected on ALL sides(otherwise you think he'd have stopped, knowing him), while its unknown if the barrier that dealt with the bijuu dama was or not. There is a shortage of info which probably will get addressed soon now but meanwhile you can't say that it may not be protected from all sides either.

OT: minato gets underrated mostly and has caused like a billion flame wars on NB in these retarded versus type threads, so while i agree that its possible to infer these abilities making such threads usually end up with a negative result.

Please read all of my comments before you try and reply to me. Did I say there is only one type of s/t barrier? No. Did I say all s/t barriers only protect from the front? No. Or was I just talking about the barrier that Minato used against the tbb? Yes. I don't know why you are bringing up the barrier that stopped Hiruzen, I never mentioned that once. ajp is the one who thinks all barriers protect from all sides.
And like I said before and you have just said now, there is not enough evidence of how Minato's jutsu work so this thread was pointless. And though there is not enough evidence, from what I can tell from the panels the manga disagrees anyway.

 

[Troyg39]

Oh, I see. You're saying you are right? let's see..1st, if you can remember, he activated his S/T barrier here:

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and that panel with Kurama's claw is not on that same place.

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So, what now? are you still going to argue with that? Besides, I did say that it depends on Minato if he wants to dispel the barrier or not. Stop looking for excuses. With just one look, you know that they are not on the same place.

Were you not arguing with iSpeak that the barrier could defend from behind too? did you not also say that the space time barrier could be mobile when I tried to tell you that it wasn't? Remember when he said that a clone could attack him from behind and easily counter space timebarrier? You said that this wasn't true because a barrier defends more than just the front. Yet the nine tails was able to attack from behind!

You also said that once the barrier was up it would stay up. Now you are trying to tell me that a smart ninja like Minato dispelled the barrier in the heat of battle? Do you really believe Minato would deactivate a protective barrier when he was still in battle? That makes absolutely no sense.

Bottom line, the kunai that Minato used for the space time barrier (whether he needed it or not in case you start with that again) was still on him, so the barrier should've still be protecting him.

But since you JUST said that the barrier isn't mobile by saying that it didnt protect minato from the nine tails claw because it was in a different location goes all the way back to my first point: Since the space time barrier isn't mobile and stays in one spot all Minato's opponent has to do to avoid STB is NOT ATTACK THE BARRIER!!! Are you still going to argue me even though YOU just said the barrier stays in one place and doesn't follow Minato?

 

[Troyg39]

Are you really that dumb? He just gave you obvious proof that minato did'nt need to hold onto the kunai for the s/t jutsu seals to be performed as you had foolishly claimed throughout this thread. Honestly it was a very good point that even i had overlooked as its easy to miss. Stop obsessing with that one pic where he has the kunai in his hand, for all we know the kunai might just be used to re enforce the tech as it was a bijuu dama there, we know thanks to bogard's post it is'nt a necessary item in that jutsu.

Dude, go away and stay away. When have you EVER seen Minato place any seal of any kind in thin air? He ALWAYS puts his seals on his kunai or some physical object. Ofcorse he doesn't need the kunai to make the hand signs. But ask yourself this, if didn't need the kunai why use it at all?

What do you mean the kunai was to reinforce against the nine tails attack? The Space Time Barrier warps an incoming attack immediatel upon contact. You don't need reinforcement. And if he did need the kunai for reinforement, don't you think his first priority would've been to pull the kunai out FIRST?

But he didn't do that did he? Why? Because his barrier works just like a summoning jutsu. You can perfom the hand signs for summoning jutsu with two hands, but have you EVER seen someone apply the actual seal with two hands? NO. They only use one hand to apply the seal to the ground. This is the same case. Minato didn't pull out the kunai first because he needed two hands to perform the hand signs for the space time barrier. He then used one hand to pull out one of his kunai, and the other hand to apply the seal.

I'm getting really annoyed with you guys ignoring what's obvious on the manga page. Until you show me a scan where Minato is applys the space time barrier seal in thin air and not on a physical object direct no more comments my way

 

[NarutoKage2]

Please read all of my comments before you try and reply to me. Did I there is only one type of s/t barrier? No. Did I say all s/t barriers only protect from the front? No. Or was I just talking about the barrier that Minato used against the tbb? Yes. I don't know why you are bringing up the barrier that stopped Hiruzen, I never mentioned that once.
And like I said before and you have just said now, there is not enough evidence of how Minato's jutsu work so this thread was pointless. And though there is not enough evidence, from what I can tell from the panels the manga disagrees anyway.

You accused the Op that there was'nt enough proof that the barrier can protect him from behind, don't make me re quote you. So yes you were saying that the s/t barrier which teleported the TBB ONLY stopped attacks from the front. I did read the previous posts, it was stated that Obito came behind minato, to which the OP said that that was due to his own s/t jutsu, which is possible actually. Learn to read. I was simply stating that if the barrier that stopped hiruzen could be protected from all sides, well then so could the one that teleported the TBB.

 

[Troyg39]

You accused the Op that there was'nt enough proof that the barrier can protect him from behind, don't make me re quote you. So yes you were saying that the s/t barrier which teleported the TBB ONLY stopped attacks from the front. I did read the previous posts, it was stated that Obito came behind minato, to which the OP said that that was due to his own s/t jutsu, which is possible actually. Learn to read. I was simply stating that if the barrier that stopped hiruzen could be protected from all sides, well then so could the one that teleported the TBB.

What on earth makes you think that the barrier Minato put up that stopped Hiruzen was a Space Time Barrier? Are you insane? The Spae Time Barrier warps anything that comes into contact with it. Hiruzen would've been warped away if that were a space time barrier.

You are trying to apply the same logic for two different barriers. Just because Hiruzen got stopped by that one barrier doesn't mean that Minato's SPACE TIME barrier can defend from all fronts. They are two different barriers clearly since the space time barrier warps things that come in contact and Hiruzen wasn't warped when he touched the second barrier

 

[iSpeak]

You accused the Op that there was'nt enough proof that the barrier can protect him from behind, don't make me re quote you. So yes you were saying that the s/t barrier which teleported the TBB ONLY stopped attacks from the front. I did read the previous posts, it was stated that Obito came behind minato, to which the OP said that that was due to his own s/t jutsu, which is possible actually. Learn to read. I was simply stating that if the barrier that stopped hiruzen could be protected from all sides, well then so could the one that teleported the TBB.

Wtf are you talking about? We. are. talking. about. the. barrier. that. stopped. the. tailed. beast. bomb. not. the. one. that. stopped. hiruzen. Just becuase the barrier kushina used covers all sides, doesn't mean Minato's s/t barrier does aswell...

You said "There's obviously more than one kind of s/t barrier and its obvious that you fail to see the distinction."

Like I said, when did I say there is only one kind of barrier jutsu?

Then you said "The barrier that stopped Hiruzen from reaching the kyuubi was protected on ALL sides(otherwise you think he'd have stopped, knowing him), while its unknown if the barrier that dealt with the bijuu dama was or not."

The barrier that stopped the tbb was only shown to protect in front, there is no evidence that it protects behind aswell. That is my whole point.