MS Itachi vs MS Madara

[SharinganWarrior]

who would win? (Note, I'm talking about Madara with ms, NOT ems)

I think Itachi because Itachi is so much more skilled than madara ever since childhood. Itachi mastered his sharingan with 3 tamoes around age 7 or 8 while madara just awakened 1 tamoe at age 8. Itachi became anbu member and awakened MS around age 1 I believe.

-The only feat that madara beats itachi with is that he probly has more raw power (stamina and chakra reserves), but thats about it.

*Itachi has more powerful offenses and defenses & genjutsu(even stronger than madara)
-Itachi is superior to madara in term of genjutsu for sure. (his tsukyomi is badass!)
-Madara lacks ult ataks technigues. (No amaterasu)
-itachi is superior to madara in term of ultimate atks (amaterasu & Totsuka sword)
-Itachi can seal things with totsuka, madara have no sealing skills (At least hasnt't shown any yet)
-Madara has susanoo, but Itachi has susanoo PLUS Yata mirror that deflects anything. (Stronger defense than MAdara susanoo which lacks a shield).
-Itachi is a lot more intelligent, clever, analytical, and knows how to use his oponent's weakness & manipulate them.
-itachi is a lot faster, and can form hand seals at tremendous speed.
-Itachi is a lot calmer and in control of the battle while madara loses to his emotion and jeopardize his success
-Itachi knows how to make short work of his opponents (he uses his chakra efficiently without wasting it)
-Itachi never underestimate his opponents.


Soo... Imagine if Itachi has EMS...Oh god, he's likely to be way more powerful than EMS madara.

 

[Eternal Sage]

Madara has better ninjutsu and taijutsu, where did u come to the conclusion that itachi is faster.
Itachi wins extremely high diff because of yata mirror, unless Madara can outlast him

 

[AlphaScythian]

Most likely itachi wins. We havent seen anything of MS madara, and susanoo along madara can be sealed in totsuka, also amaterasu tsukyomi

 

[believe7]

Madara based on experience and reputation

 

[SharinganWarrior]

Most likely itachi wins. We havent seen anything of MS madara, and susanoo along madara can be sealed in totsuka, also amaterasu tsukyomi

THIS!!!!^^

 

[XtreMage]

itachi is vulnerable against another uchiha, genjutsu won t work since madara have more powerful eyes,chakra and strength.

 

[madvictory]

Itachi seals Madara with his Totsuka Blade.

 

[Dãrth1]

Itachi wins low diff at max

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

Itachi is the 2nd strongest MS user there is. He wins.

 

[NSUNSR]

who would win? (Note, I'm talking about Madara with ms, NOT ems)

I think Itachi because Itachi is so much more skilled than madara ever since childhood. Itachi mastered his sharingan with 3 tamoes around age 7 or 8 while madara just awakened 1 tamoe at age 8. Itachi became anbu member and awakened MS around age 1 I believe.

-The only feat that madara beats itachi with is that he probly has more raw power (stamina and chakra reserves), but thats about it.

*Itachi has more powerful offenses and defenses & genjutsu(even stronger than madara)
-Itachi is superior to madara in term of genjutsu for sure. (his tsukyomi is badass!)Doesn't matter since it won't affect Madara.
-Madara lacks ult ataks technigues. (No amaterasu)Doesn't matter.
-itachi is superior to madara in term of ultimate atks (amaterasu & Totsuka sword)Madara only doesn't have PS with MS. His Susanoo is on par with Itachi's, but Madara's can be mobile, and he can maintain for a lot longer time.
-Itachi can seal things with totsuka, madara have no sealing skills (At least hasnt't shown any yet)So?
-Madara has susanoo, but Itachi has susanoo PLUS Yata mirror that deflects anything. (Stronger defense than MAdara susanoo which lacks a shield).Yata Mirror is featless.
-Itachi is a lot more intelligent, clever, analytical, and knows how to use his oponent's weakness & manipulate them.How did you get to this conclusion. Madara is a lot smarter.
-itachi is a lot faster, and can form hand seals at tremendous speed.Blind Madara kept with EMS Sasuke, and Madara also blitsed SM Naruto, he is faster than Itachi.
-Itachi is a lot calmer and in control of the battle while madara loses to his emotion and jeopardize his success
-Itachi knows how to make short work of his opponents (he uses his chakra efficiently without wasting it)Against Madara Itachi will be constantly using MS. After a few minutes he won't be able to fight anymore.
-Itachi never underestimate his opponents.

Soo... Imagine if Itachi has EMS...Oh god, he's likely to be way more powerful than EMS madara.

Lol. If he tries using PS he's going to die 10 seconds later.

Bold is what i say. Madara mid diff. at most.

 

[KidGamer65]

As long as Madara has at least a V3 Susanoo, he should be able to outlast Itachi. Anything lower and Itachi will break through and kill him.

Though I don't think that he would have lower, so Madara wins mid diff.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

As long as Madara has at least a V3 Susanoo, he should be able to outlast Itachi. Anything lower and Itachi will break through and kill him.

Though I don't think that he would have lower, so Madara wins mid diff.

Itachi Susanoo w/Sage weapons> MS Madara's Susanoo.

Totsuka cuts through it no dif.

 

[KidGamer65]

Itachi Susanoo w/Sage weapons> MS Madara's Susanoo.

Totsuka cuts through it no dif.

1. Where is this Sage weapons stuff coming from? I've seen so many people claim that they are Sage weapons yet no proof has ever followed.

2. There is pretty much no feat you can give me that will lead me to believe Totsuka can and will cut through an Armored Susanoo with "no diff"

 

[Brother Numpsay]

1. Where is this Sage weapons stuff coming from? I've seen so many people claim that they are Sage weapons yet no proof has ever followed.

Idk, I just called it that because its a weapon you have to find, legendary, (more famous then the 7 mist swords I think?) And the fact that its spiritual item.

2. There is pretty much no feat you can give me that will lead me to believe Totsuka can and will cut through an Armored Susanoo with "no diff"

Well it succeed and cutting everything in its paths so far: Flesh (hydra) and super bones via Kimmiaro KKG (although it doesn't show what weapon he used but reasonably it is).

The manga and databook made it clear on one thing. Thats it has spiritual and ethereal prioritizes, on top of cutting abilities that rivals Kusanagi (databook states).

Susanoo hasn't shown to block ethereal, so it will just slide through its chakra [

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[Rιver]

1. Where is this Sage weapons stuff coming from? I've seen so many people claim that they are Sage weapons yet no proof has ever followed.

2. There is pretty much no feat you can give me that will lead me to believe Totsuka can and will cut through an Armored Susanoo with "no diff"

Totsuka no Tsurugi is an ethereal weapon, it's a spiritual sword, hence why it's stated to have 'no real physical form'. It doesn't need to use physical force to bypass Susano'O when spiritual tools go through.

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[LuckyMan]

Idk, I just called it that because its a weapon you have to find, legendary, (more famous then the 7 mist swords I think?) And the fact that its spiritual item.



Well it succeed and cutting everything in its paths so far: Flesh (hydra) and super bones via Kimmiaro KKG (although it doesn't show what weapon he used but reasonably it is).

The manga and databook made it clear on one thing. Thats it has spiritual and ethereal prioritizes, on top of cutting abilities that rivals Kusanagi (databook states).

Susanoo hasn't shown to block ethereal, so it will just slide through its chakra [

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] while cutting like Kusanagi.

The no limits fallacy is what your posting. Because there was never a limit established to what it can cut through does not mean it can cut through anything.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

The no limits fallacy is what your posting. Because there was never a limit established to what it can cut through does not mean it can cut through anything.

What limits do spiritual have compare to the physical? How is comparing the blade to Suanoo a no limit fallacy?

 

[Gold Lightning]

If Itachi had the same reserves as Madara, I'd say Itachi comfortably. But because Itachis can't even use his MS all that long, then Madara probably wins.

Itachi definitely has all the tools, abilities and skill to beat Madara ie Yata Mirror & Amaterasu. But he'll just pass out before the fight even gets started.

Also it's hard to assume what the Totsuka blade can do to Susanoo's. Can it pierce it or not? If so then yeah I'd say itachi, but I'm not gonna make an assumption like that.

 

[KidGamer65]

Idk, I just called it that because its a weapon you have to find, legendary, (more famous then the 7 mist swords I think?) And the fact that its spiritual item.

Oh, lol.

Well it succeed and cutting everything in its paths so far: Flesh (hydra) and super bones via Kimmiaro KKG (although it doesn't show what weapon he used but reasonably it is).

Cutting flesh and bones doesn't mean that he can cut through an armored Susanoo.

The manga and databook made it clear on one thing. Thats it has spiritual and ethereal prioritizes, on top of cutting abilities that rivals Kusanagi (databook states).

Kusanagi couldn't even get past KN4 Naruto's cloak, so if it really does rival that sword, then its not scratching Susanoo.

Susanoo hasn't shown to block ethereal, so it will just slide through its chakra [

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1. Ethereal doesn't necessarily mean "intangible". So it being an ethereal sword doesn't mean that it'll phase through.

2. It being a blade with no real physical form doesn't mean that it doesn't have a physical form, it just doesn't have a set one, and it doesn't mean that it'll phase through Susanoo either.

Totsuka no Tsurugi is an ethereal weapon, it's a spiritual sword, hence why it's stated to have 'no real physical form'. It doesn't need to use physical force to bypass Susano'O when spiritual tools go through.

Read above. No real physical form means that it has no set physical form, it still has a physical form since it physically cut through the tools.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Cutting flesh and bones doesn't mean that he can cut through an armored Susanoo.

Using those as example. If he can cut to whatever it faced, why stop there?

Kusanagi couldn't even get past KN4 Naruto's cloak, so if it really does rival that sword, then its not scratching Susanoo.

The difference here is that its supported with its spirit priority

1. Ethereal doesn't necessarily mean "intangible". So it being an ethereal sword doesn't mean that it'll phase through.

And what about the term spiritual? Wouldn't that support its matter?

2. It being a blade with no real physical form doesn't mean that it doesn't have a physical form, it just doesn't have a set one, and it doesn't mean that it'll phase through Susanoo either.

Why doesn't because having no real physical form mean that it can't phase through Susanoo? When we have seen visual examples of ethereal jutsu and spiritual jutsu capability? Which makes it as valid?