[Discussion] Flying Thunder God

[chopstickchakra]

This is more of a question that hopefully some of you can help me understand.

Originally we were told that Minato created the FTG, I believe with some help from Kushina and her seal knowledge.
So my question is, if it was said before that Minato created it, are we getting another retconn? Are we going to learn Minato modified Tobiramas FTG but if so and he kept the name why was he given credit for creating it. Or do you think Kishi actually forgot about some of his continuity(Now this option I hate to present because it's Kishi's book and what he says goes, but this is another crazy morphing of an established idea. Kind of like Kekki Genkei turning from bloodline traits like Sharingan/Byagukagan and Bone release kimimaru had, into Chakra Nature combinations like Mei's Lava release or Oonoki's Dust release, hell some don't even show village loyalty as memebrs of several villages and clans have lava release.)

 

[Umari Senju]

I think Tobirama's was translated as Thunder God. Maybe Minato used this as a catylist to create the Flying Thunder God by incorperating Kushina's Uzumaki seal techs. They look kind of different as Tobirama's created an after image of himself. This doesn't happen with Minato's version. Kind of like Minato creating the Rasengan and Naruto turning it into the Rasen Shuriken. Though, i don't recall Flying Thunder God being said to be created by Minato, just that he taught it to his bodyguards.

 

[Zee Seh]

i think tobirama actually created a s/t tech without the use of sealing formula... and maybe minato modified the tech. a bit and took all the credit...XD

 

[staticdash22]

Tobirama looks like he was the original user of the Flying Thunder God. The difference is that it's not on the scale of Minato's. Tobirama probably could transport himself across short to medium ranged distances without having to use seals. Minato used it as a catalyst for his own version, which he could travel "FAR" distances WITH the use of seals techs. Their techs are pretty much similar, but minato improved it but he probably couldn't use it to the skill that Tobirama could. That reason could be that Tobirama of curse was a senju and his massive chakra reserves let him master it. Minato isn't a senju so he might have needed seal techs.

 

[Kurama2012]

im not sure if it was ever stated minato created ftg but minato was famed for this tech so by that tobirama probably never used it as a main attack as they may be risks for it back then as it was shown he never used marks which makes me believe he could only travel in a linear fashion and with out the marks as a guide line he could never blitz people like minato could

 

[DrehVerWortEr]

i think to remember that in the fight between minato und tobi/obito, minato said obito's jutsu is more powerful than his and even better than Tobirama's.
So i think it is Kamui (obito's)> Tobimarama's > FTG
And then there is Shisui, A, Naruto etc..not in that order

 

[AllseeingSharingan]

Same tech minato.modified it cuz he is a genius.

 

[chopstickchakra]

i think to remember that in the fight between minato und tobi/obito, minato said obito's jutsu is more powerful than his and even better than Tobirama's.
So i think it is Kamui (obito's)> Tobimarama's > FTG
And then there is Shisui, A, Naruto etc..not in that order

I do remember him saying that about Tobirama, but he never really implied Tobiramas was FTG and seeing as Obito wasn't using FTG it would be stretching it to assume Minato was talking about the 2nd having FTG.

im not sure if it was ever stated minato created ftg but minato was famed for this tech so by that tobirama probably never used it as a main attack as they may be risks for it back then as it was shown he never used marks which makes me believe he could only travel in a linear fashion and with out the marks as a guide line he could never blitz people like minato could

If you check Narutopedia(not wikipedia) the FTG page credits Minato as creating it and that sites pretty legit. it's narutowikia(dot)com. Also if you go back a couple of years in forums when people asked if Naruto would get FTG, everyone responded with "No, Minato made it and didn't teach it to anyone"

Tobirama looks like he was the original user of the Flying Thunder God. The difference is that it's not on the scale of Minato's. Tobirama probably could transport himself across short to medium ranged distances without having to use seals. Minato used it as a catalyst for his own version, which he could travel "FAR" distances WITH the use of seals techs. Their techs are pretty much similar, but minato improved it but he probably couldn't use it to the skill that Tobirama could. That reason could be that Tobirama of curse was a senju and his massive chakra reserves let him master it. Minato isn't a senju so he might have needed seal techs.

The site naruto.wikia.com lists Minato as the creator and this is a pretty reliable site, also threads about Naruto getting FTG from a year or so ago will show many people saying Minato created FTG.

i think tobirama actually created a s/t tech without the use of sealing formula... and maybe minato modified the tech. a bit and took all the credit...XD

Again, Minato is listed as the creator of the jutsu along with Rasengan in various sources across the internet. Also Tobirama isn't shown transporting as Minato was when using FTG it shows more like a charge motion than a s/t movement, we have body lines flying back simulating motion where Minato pops up in place.

I think Tobirama's was translated as Thunder God. Maybe Minato used this as a catylist to create the Flying Thunder God by incorperating Kushina's Uzumaki seal techs. They look kind of different as Tobirama's created an after image of himself. This doesn't happen with Minato's version. Kind of like Minato creating the Rasengan and Naruto turning it into the Rasen Shuriken. Though, i don't recall Flying Thunder God being said to be created by Minato, just that he taught it to his bodyguards.

If you read the *********** version, like someone told me to do, it says literally Flying Thunder God. Now I don't know what HiraiShingiri means so I can't say what the literal translation would be.

 

[Yellow Spark]

I think tobi was fast. Thats why he calls himself thunder god. But minato made ftg which was super duper puper fast.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

All we saw was Tobirama slash Izuna, and say "Hiraishingin", and people are suddenly saying it's better than Minato's. Guess what, Minato's version is the modified version, meaning he must of improved it. It wasn't really clear.

 

[Saiyansnake]

I think Tobirama used a short range version that does not require placing a seal mark to move to.

 

[Yuffosan]

I made a thread about this earlier. I think Minato and Tobirama have the same technique but Minato's is just more or less an improvise of Tobirama's original technique because the one flaw of Minato's technique is that he can't do it without sealing formulas.

 

[Narutohokage7]

As others have said I believe Minato might of improved or tweaked it a bit and used it as his main form of fighting. Tobimara seemed to use his sword thrust as a boost type thing to go in linear movements (I assume, need proof) Minato changed it to a Kunai he could throw or mark placements for transporting himself.

We need more of Tobirama to see what his move is exactly to say that one is better than the other.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

All we say was him say FTG slash, it's teleporting, but to what extent?

We know Minato can teleport any and all ranges
Minato applied the formula to his kunai, teleporting to them no matter the distance
Minato could tag ANYTHING he touches

He definitely improved it, but Tobirama may have been the founder of it.

 

[wildstorm]

Guys please !!
Tobirama also had S/T techs, & he used a S/T tech,then doesnt mean its FTG !!
Its a S/T tech ofc, but not FTG !!

 

[kunlebade]

This is more of a question that hopefully some of you can help me understand.

Originally we were told that Minato created the FTG, I believe with some help from Kushina and her seal knowledge.
So my question is, if it was said before that Minato created it, are we getting another retconn? Are we going to learn Minato modified Tobiramas FTG but if so and he kept the name why was he given credit for creating it. Or do you think Kishi actually forgot about some of his continuity(Now this option I hate to present because it's Kishi's book and what he says goes, but this is another crazy morphing of an established idea. Kind of like Kekki Genkei turning from bloodline traits like Sharingan/Byagukagan and Bone release kimimaru had, into Chakra Nature combinations like Mei's Lava release or Oonoki's Dust release, hell some don't even show village loyalty as memebrs of several villages and clans have lava release.)

Thing you should consider is which Shinobi said that Minato 'created' the Flying god thunder jutsu? Was it someone like knowledgeable Jiraya or one of Minato's former body guards. At least Kishi. had hinted during the Tobi-Minato fight that Minato was not the only FTG user when he said that Tobi's space time justu was better than either his or Nidaime's.