[Theory] Itachi was not conceived as a good character

[sindi1997]

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[Neon Indian]

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Exactly this.

 

[Metronomy]

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people are so stupid to have not understood this by now.

keep wanking jiraya he neve even though he lost against oro, 4 tials naruto and pain.
while itachi has won every fight he's been in.

People who know what they're talking about ^

 

[Orochimaruofthesound]

just dont question kishi

 

[Courtship dating]

:| ... couldnt think of anything to counter his arguments so you go straight for the insult... sounds about right from an itachi fanboy -.-

I wouldn't even go there mate.

This thread was proven wrong pretty easily. The OP and you just lack reading skills.

 

[Kinimaster]

People seem to be bringing the fact that Itachi didn't want to fight Jiraiya because he didn't want to cripple Konoha. I disagree. I think Kishimoto pulled the good guy card out late into the series' development.


What did Itachi actually do to help Konoha?

He did not stop Pain.

He did not kill Orochimaru.

He distracted Jiraiya to get to Naruto.

People say his statement about Jiraiya is false because he did not want to hurt him. Okay?

Why did he use Tsukuyomi on Kakashi then? Kisame was surprised Kakashi was still alive. Without Tsunade healing him he might not be anymore. If Itachi was a good guy, why did he maim Kakashi like that? He had -NO- way of knowing Tsunade can heal him.

So he does not want to fight Jiraiya 'cuz he loves dat Leaf, but he mind rapes Kakashi? Doesn't make sense to me.

Also, if Itachi was so certain that he can fight Jiraiya, why did he use Amaterasu to get out of the toad's esoph agus? Clearly if he was stronger he wouldn't need to damage his eyesight and his health to escape. He had Kisame, too.

Sigh, i think all your post is biased and not conclusive, mainly because is what "you think" what goes against manga cannon. Im just going to point out the biggest mistake on your part, Why he did own Kakashi and not Jiraiya? the answer is simply, Naruto, if he would have defeated Jiraiya then what would be the excuse he would tell Kisame for not taking Naruto?? i mean without Jiraiya the kid was alone. But Kisame knew Itachi was way more powerfull than the Jonins so thats why Itachi had to fight, otherwise he would look suspicious.

Really hope you understand, is not that complicated if you take away your mindset about Itachi for just a second.

 

[Moe22]

I'am actaully shocked by the stupidity

I wanted proof, is all. I never said you were wrong, but you act as if calling others stupid will make you smarter. Just grow up and explain things the way you should.

 

[Courtship dating]

I wanted proof, is all. I never said you were wrong, but you act as if calling others stupid will make you smarter. Just grow up and explain things the way you should.

I'm sorry but everything about this thread is retarded.

proof isn't really needed to If the OP had the ability to read the manga maybe he would think twice before making such a thread.

 

[Courtship dating]

also this is a bashing thread.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

also this is a bashing thread.

so why don't you get out and stop spamming it?

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After Itachi used it on Kakashi in Part I, Kisame was surprised that Kakashi's mind was still intact. Only Tsunade has been shown capable of curing this psychological damage.[3]

I'm going to throw you this bone. He didn't need to kill Kakashi, nor did he want to. The more he uses the MS the faster his health is going down and his eyesight with it. Even Kisame said it.

He had -NO IDEA WHATSOEVER- of knowing Tsunade can heal the damage. He simply didn't kill Kakashi because that would be an extra strain on his eyesight and because Kakashi was not a major threat.

 

[Courtship dating]

so why don't you get out and stop spamming it?

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I'm going to throw you this bone. He didn't need to kill Kakashi, nor did he want to. The more he uses the MS the faster his health is going down and his eyesight with it. Even Kisame said it.

He had -NO IDEA WHATSOEVER- of knowing Tsunade can heal the damage. He simply didn't kill Kakashi because that would be an extra strain on his eyesight and because Kakashi was not a major threat.

Actually he didn't kill kakashi because he was good and he knew tsukuyomi could be healed. He would never have had used it on sasuke.

 

[Badapdos]

Yes This is very pointless past the fact of your horrible theory.
Itachi is a powerful Genjutsu user, That being said He knows How To handle his own Jutsu & even in my opinion he could have solo Every.
Resolution Tsukuyomi , & Solo every plain & simple it's not fan-boyism.
Itachi Is One of many powerful Ninjas.
So don't take that lightly.
If he could Handle orchimaru, Then most likely He can stand against Jiraiya .
He is a descendent Of SO6P.

 

[Itachi Edo]

Exactly my point. There were quite a few times in that fight Itachi could have ended the battle. The only purpose was to remind Danzo not to touch Sasuke. Hiruzen was dead and Danzo would have been likely to try something.

Exactly this.

 

[L Lawliet]

First, I lol'd at the Itachi not being good. Then, I was surprised by the stupidity of some insulting comments. And then back to lolling. Basically, like this:

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[pateuvasiliu]

First, I lol'd at the Itachi not being good.

Never said that. I said Kishi did not start Itachi as a secretly good character.

 

[BigBlade Master]

Well, I disagree, he didn't do all that because he could not.


He did a lot for Konoha.

 

[spike2068]

Exactly my point. There were quite a few times in that fight Itachi could have ended the battle. The only purpose was to remind Danzo not to touch Sasuke. Hiruzen was dead and Danzo would have been likely to try something.

That may be the explanation NOW but back when the scene was written kishi hadnt planned on him being good yet. Anything short of kishi coming out and stating that he had the entire story completely planned is not good enough. Therefore at the time in the story we can only conclude that itachi really didnt want to fight jiraiya. You simply have no proof that he had it all planned out.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

that may be the explanation now but back when the scene was written kishi hadnt planned on him being good yet. Anything short of kishi coming out and stating that he had the entire story completely planned is not good enough. Therefore at the time in the story we can only conclude that itachi really didnt want to fight jiraiya. You simply have no proof that he had it all planned out.

thank you.

He did a lot for Konoha.

Like what. Not killing Oro so that he could escape and kill Hiruzen, plunging Konoha into chaos and corrupting his brother?

 

[Melanee]

Kishimoto is famous for leaving very subtle hints that tell us of his true intentions with the plot and characters. The only way to solve this debate is to look back and seek out the hints.

Did he constantly have people question why Itachi was not killing anyone? Did people constantly comment on how he did kill people? Were there scenes where the character Itachi was fighting was surprised he was letting him win, or were they fighting for their life and he was set on killing them and it was stated?

If there were more hints that Itachi was holding back and using excuses for not killing, chances are he was a good guy to Kishimoto from the beginning. If not then he changed his mind as the story progressed.

 

[AGoodBoy]

People seem to be bringing the fact that Itachi didn't want to fight Jiraiya because he didn't want to cripple Konoha. I disagree. I think Kishimoto pulled the good guy card out late into the series' development.


What did Itachi actually do to help Konoha?

He did not stop Pain.

He did not kill Orochimaru.

He distracted Jiraiya to get to Naruto.

People say his statement about Jiraiya is false because he did not want to hurt him. Okay?

Why did he use Tsukuyomi on Kakashi then? Kisame was surprised Kakashi was still alive. Without Tsunade healing him he might not be anymore. If Itachi was a good guy, why did he maim Kakashi like that? He had -NO- way of knowing Tsunade can heal him.

So he does not want to fight Jiraiya 'cuz he loves dat Leaf, but he mind rapes Kakashi? Doesn't make sense to me.

Also, if Itachi was so certain that he can fight Jiraiya, why did he use Amaterasu to get out of the toad's esoph agus? Clearly if he was stronger he wouldn't need to damage his eyesight and his health to escape. He had Kisame, too.

You can make the same statement that kishi didn't plan itachi to be so op. It was just later development when he gave him all sort of bullshit OP upgrades. Everyone in the start of the show is fodder compared to them now.