Hinata is a Cookie Cutter Character

[AzureCicada]

Background character isn't development? Really? Do you realize how arrogant that sounds? "There is no such thing as a small character, only a small actor." - Constantin Stanislavski. That quote branches to all forms of media, not just movies and plays. She has shown clear development. Look at Hinata when she was in the academy compared to her during the war and you won't see the same character.

And yes it is character bashing. Just because you give reasons doesn't validate it or make it ok. He isn't saying why he hates Hinata, he's saying why Hinata is a bad character. That's character bashing. If it was just an 'I don't like this character and this is why' thread it'd be more acceptable. You can debate with that person and understand them. But to say a character is a cutout or call them worthless? THAT'S character bashing. I think Tenten's pathetic, but I haven't made a thread about it. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

I didn't call Hinata worthless, and i believe i'm free to say i think Hinata is genric- I'm even opened for discussion and i even took back saying she's the worst.
You think Tenten is pathetic-/- I think Hinata has no growth as a Character: Huge difference.
I can't call out Hinata's character but everyone else can make threads about Itachi not being so great of a hero..etc...etc..
But as soon as i call Hinata out its a problem?
What!
And i did say i think Hinata has no character development/genric and WHY i think so

 

[bigfatloser]

Background character isn't development? Really? Do you realize how arrogant that sounds? "There is no such thing as a small character, only a small actor." - Constantin Stanislavski. That quote branches to all forms of media, not just movies and plays. She has shown clear development. Look at Hinata when she was in the academy compared to her during the war and you won't see the same character.

And yes it is character bashing. Just because you give reasons doesn't validate it or make it ok. He isn't saying why he hates Hinata, he's saying why Hinata is a bad character. That's character bashing. If it was just an 'I don't like this character and this is why' thread it'd be more acceptable. You can debate with that person and understand them. But to say a character is a cutout or call them worthless? THAT'S character bashing. I think Tenten's pathetic, but I haven't made a thread about it. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

you seriously need to relax, no one here is acting even half as self righteous and arrogant as you are. This is a perfectly acceptable discussion and if you disagree feel free to either read the rules or PM a mod because venting about it here is going to get you nowhere.

 

[l Forgotten l]

The conflict between sakura and hinata is simply because it will be naruhina vs narusaku until one of them is cannon. Even if its a thread that isnt about parings hinata fans for the most part will dislike sakura and vica versa.

Actually before i even knew about those pairings, i disliked sakura. Its not because of hinata, i just dont like sakuras actions and personality.
Didnt even like hinatas that much until after chunnin exams, sakura has always been on my badside.

 

[l Forgotten l]

Noone likes sakura the END.XD

 

[Silverforsakenhamster]

I'll do it for her. We know nothing about Sakura before the series of Naruto started. At least, have never seen it anyway. Hinata has been given more backstory and flashbacks in that regard than anyone of the K11 that isn't Naruto. Sakura hasn't evolved much as a character, only matured, in that she's still after Sasuke despite how many crimes he's committed and making an attempt on her life. She's still punching Naruto in the head and berating him over stupid things. Naruto saves Konoha and defeats Pain and what does she do? Punch him in the head and call him a fool, for NO reason.

Hinata has begun as a shy girl who ordinarily wouldn't speak or voice her opinion, but now she's become strong, confident, and believes in herself and others more than ever. That is character development and character progression. The key ingredients to any good story.

Uhh this what annoys me.
No one knew anything about Naruto because IT WAS THE Beginning of the series. That's why we didn't know Sakura. And so what if Hinata has more than Sakura. The reason because you all like her is because she's a Hyuuga. I actually like Sakura because she's unique. And so what if Sakura has to punch Naruto. So why aren't we bringing up that Hinata still has a crush on Naruto? And Sakura isn't just after Sasuke. She's also after strength. She wants to be stronger than Sasuke and Naruto that whats she's been striving for all along.

And this is why I hate Hinata. You are so block-headed it's not even funny. You look up to Hinata because she's shy. But she only acts on her love for Naruto and you all still call her a hero for that. Have you realized that Sakura cares so much about her village she would try to kill Sasuke. I never seen Hinata standing up for Naruto in the past, so why? Why don't you look into the light and actually see that Hinata isn't anything to compare to Sakura with.

 

[Erin]

Correction. There will be conflict even after one of them is canon, with the losing side arguing how their pairing made way more sense and how Kishi did a total asspull.

-_- true, for all NB topics in general as well...

 

[Baguette]

Actually before i even knew about those pairings, i disliked sakura. Its not because of hinata, i just dont like sakuras actions and personality.
Didnt even like hinatas that much until after chunnin exams, sakura has always been on my badside.

Same here. Sakura was always on the lower end of my list throughout Part I, whereas Hinata made it straight to the top at her introduction. Part II changed that for me, though.

-_- true, for all NB topics in general as well...

Seriously. If I could ask Kishi one question it would be
"Who would win in a fight- Minato or Itachi?"
That would settle half the threads being made on this forum, but even then people would argue about it.

 

[Silverforsakenhamster]

Background character isn't development? Really? Do you realize how arrogant that sounds? "There is no such thing as a small character, only a small actor." - Constantin Stanislavski. That quote branches to all forms of media, not just movies and plays. She has shown clear development. Look at Hinata when she was in the academy compared to her during the war and you won't see the same character.

And yes it is character bashing. Just because you give reasons doesn't validate it or make it ok. He isn't saying why he hates Hinata, he's saying why Hinata is a bad character. That's character bashing. If it was just an 'I don't like this character and this is why' thread it'd be more acceptable. You can debate with that person and understand them. But to say a character is a cutout or call them worthless? THAT'S character bashing. I think Tenten's pathetic, but I haven't made a thread about it. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

just because you write this doesn't mean i'll agree with you. Btw you aren't the police so don't act like it's your duty to make others follow the rules *puts arms behind head*

 

[~Uzumaki~]

Hinata barely has a personality but Sakura is worse since she has a HORRiBLE personality U_U

 

[MainBranchsNinjaWolf]

I really hate it when people here in the west don't understand the concept of a tsundere. Sakura is obligated through her character-archetype to hit the main protagonist even in the most serious of situations :|

Ok, I'm just going to admit I'm not in my right mindset after reading this, so I'm going to apologize for what I've said in above comments that might've offended you or anyone else.

But the point I was trying to make is that Sakura hasn't developed or evolved passed that character trait. She's been trained by Tsunade and has become vastly strong because of it. So for her to punch Naruto in the head like that risks injury, concussion, or worse, especially after a prolonged fight with Pain. She should have something she does to congratulate him that's not the same as when he does something stupid or wrong. I mean I know she hugs him afterward and thanks him, but it doesn't excuse the punch. I was attempting to draw a comparison and illustrate a point, so if I misrepresented, offended, or hurt my cause with what I said then I apologize.

 

[Erin]

Uhh this what annoys me.
No one knew anything about Naruto because IT WAS THE Beginning of the series. That's why we didn't know Sakura. And so what if Hinata has more than Sakura. The reason because you all like her is because she's a Hyuuga.


I actually like Sakura because she's unique. And so what if Sakura has to punch Naruto. So why aren't we bringing up that Hinata still has a crush on Naruto? And Sakura isn't just after Sasuke. She's also after strength. She wants to be stronger than Sasuke and Naruto that whats she's been striving for all along.

And this is why I hate Hinata. You are so block-headed it's not even funny. You look up to Hinata because she's shy. But she only acts on her love for Naruto and you all still call her a hero for that. Have you realized that Sakura cares so much about her village she would try to kill Sasuke.

I never seen Hinata standing up for Naruto in the past, so why? Why don't you look into the light and actually see that Hinata isn't anything to compare to Sakura with.

1. Your Kidding.
2. Basic Tsundere (bipolar pretty much)
3. A large amount of people are shy, and cannot live up to basic things like self introduction, low self esteme is a problem with many people.
4. She didnt care about her village more than sasuke, if we are going to use past events like you have been, then she offered to become a criminal just for him. She didnt try to kill sasuke, she didnt attempt before she herself was attacked. her love was based on looks anyway.
5. She cheered him on in the back ground, she was too shy to voice her opinions, if she stood up for naruto she would have finished her development before it started.

BTW this is completely of topic, this thread is about hinata's development, not why you dislike her.

 

[Baguette]

Ok, I'm just going to admit I'm not in my right mindset after reading this, so I'm going to apologize for what I've said in above comments that might've offended you or anyone else.

But the point I was trying to make is that Sakura hasn't developed or evolved passed that character trait. She's been trained by Tsunade and has become vastly strong because of it. So for her to punch Naruto in the head like that risks injury, concussion, or worse, especially after a prolonged fight with Pain. She should have something she does to congratulate him that's not the same as when he does something stupid or wrong. I mean I know she hugs him afterward and thanks him, but it doesn't excuse the punch. I was attempting to draw a comparison and illustrate a point, so if I misrepresented, offended, or hurt my cause with what I said then I apologize.

It's ok. *_*
The problem that remains with your reasoning, however, is that Naruto is not grounded in reality. In any typical manga/anime, a tsundere can beat the main character into a bloody pulp, and he will still be fine once the next action sequence comes up. It's meant for humor's sake, even though westerners don't seem to find it that funny.

Sidenote: Can we all stop with arguments between Sakura/Hinata and just get along?
Ah, who am I kidding... U_U

 

[Silverforsakenhamster]

Ok, I'm just going to admit I'm not in my right mindset after reading this, so I'm going to apologize for what I've said in above comments that might've offended you or anyone else.

But the point I was trying to make is that Sakura hasn't developed or evolved passed that character trait. She's been trained by Tsunade and has become vastly strong because of it. So for her to punch Naruto in the head like that risks injury, concussion, or worse, especially after a prolonged fight with Pain. She should have something she does to congratulate him that's not the same as when he does something stupid or wrong. I mean I know she hugs him afterward and thanks him, but it doesn't excuse the punch. I was attempting to draw a comparison and illustrate a point, so if I misrepresented, offended, or hurt my cause with what I said then I apologize.

I don't see the problem with Sakura punching Naruto. What's the big deal with that. Of course she never did to Sasuke but that doesn't mean she does it to others. I guess to me when Sakura punches Naruto it's like self defense. Which I wish everyone could do sometimes. But tbh, i think Sakura's like a huskie.

 

[MainBranchsNinjaWolf]

Uhh this what annoys me.
No one knew anything about Naruto because IT WAS THE Beginning of the series. That's why we didn't know Sakura. And so what if Hinata has more than Sakura. The reason because you all like her is because she's a Hyuuga. I actually like Sakura because she's unique. And so what if Sakura has to punch Naruto. So why aren't we bringing up that Hinata still has a crush on Naruto? And Sakura isn't just after Sasuke. She's also after strength. She wants to be stronger than Sasuke and Naruto that whats she's been striving for all along.

And this is why I hate Hinata. You are so block-headed it's not even funny. You look up to Hinata because she's shy. But she only acts on her love for Naruto and you all still call her a hero for that. Have you realized that Sakura cares so much about her village she would try to kill Sasuke. I never seen Hinata standing up for Naruto in the past, so why? Why don't you look into the light and actually see that Hinata isn't anything to compare to Sakura with.

You're growing more arrogant with each response you know that? I don't just like Hinata because she's a Hyuuga. I don't just look up to Hinata because she's shy and acts on love. I care about Hinata as a character because I relate with her. I'm a shy person in real life just like her, and at this point it's far worse than how she is. Hinata's a role model for me because I want to aspire to conquer my shyness like she has done. And this is just the main reason I care for and like Hinata. The list goes on. So don't you try and tell me why I like a character.

 

[AzureCicada]

My whole thing i think Sakura has had better character development than Hinata
Granted, her flaws are much bigger than her good points, i'm not trying to praise her beyond belief. Sakura has tripped up majorly since Sasuke gotten involved and its hard to like her personality- but she still does show a more realistic human side.
My issue with Hinata is that she isn't fleshed out, Shyness shouldn't be a character's only personality. And seeing she overpassed her shyness-

Whats more to her then?

 

[Silverforsakenhamster]

1. Your Kidding.
2. Basic Tsundere (bipolar pretty much)
3. A large amount of people are shy, and cannot live up to basic things like self introduction, low self esteme is a problem with many people.
4. She didnt care about her village more than sasuke, if we are going to use past events like you have been, then she offered to become a criminal just for him. She didnt try to kill sasuke, she didnt attempt before she herself was attacked. her love was based on looks anyway.
5. She cheered him on in the back ground, she was too shy to voice her opinions, if she stood up for naruto she would have finished her development before it started.

BTW this is completely of topic, this thread is about hinata's development, not why you dislike her.

*facepalms* *facepalms* *facepalms*
if i was off topic tell that to the other person. I was just pointing out the things of why I hate her. So calm down.

 

[l Forgotten l]

*facepalms* *facepalms* *facepalms*
if i was off topic tell that to the other person. I was just pointing out the things of why I hate her. So calm down.

HOW ABOUT THIS! ALL THE FEMALE CHARACTERS IN NARUTO ARE SH*t! EXCEPT FOR KUSHINA!

 

[Baguette]

Lemme just voice myself.
You cant defend sakura. You just cant. i mean she is sakura. Why? I dont like her, but im not a some huge hinata fan, i dont dislike hinata or like her. But hinata is better than sakura. . She is. Ever since the pein arc, hinata has shitting all over sakura's character.

Now this is real bashing right here...
Peace out, I'd rather not be a part of this discussion anymore.

 

[Silverforsakenhamster]

Lemme just voice myself.
You cant defend sakura. You just cant. i mean she is sakura. Why? I dont like her, but im not a some huge hinata fan, i dont dislike hinata or like her. But hinata is better than sakura. . She is. Ever since the pein arc, hinata has shitting all over sakura's character.

I'll defend whatever I want. It's your opinion of course. But my standing up for Sakura is a fair thing.

 

[MainBranchsNinjaWolf]

It's ok. *_*
The problem that remains with your reasoning, however, is that Naruto is not grounded in reality. In any typical manga/anime, a tsundere can beat the main character into a bloody pulp, and he will still be fine once the next action sequence comes up. It's meant for humor's sake, even though westerners don't seem to find it that funny.

Well I am a Westerner, and I did not know what a tsundere was until you explained, so thank you for that. But I see what you mean now. I should probably stop trying to inject/compare fiction with reality standards. But it's time and place with the tsundere character. I'm sure when I first saw/read what Sakura did I chuckled, but right now I'm using it for a debate, so I'm not really in the right environment to find it funny