Can we establish Tsunade > Hiruzen on feats?

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Title says it all! Based on feats, can Tsunade beat Hiruzen? I've seen a lot of Kage ranking threads and on all of them Tsunade is last. This is my list based on feats only (no hype):

1. Hashirama
2. Minato
3. Tsunade
4. Hiruzen
5. Tobirama

Do you agree?
 

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Going by feats, I'd still put Hiruzen above Tsunade. Just my opinion.
 

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Based on the feats; Konohamaru>Sandaime Mizukage; since the mizukage did not show any feats and Konohamaru pulled out a rasengan; we can not determine who is stronger just based on their screentime.
 

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I would put hiruzen at 3, tobi at 4th and tsunade at5 because without naruto like 80% of the village would be dead
 

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Title says it all! Based on feats, can Tsunade beat Hiruzen? I've seen a lot of Kage ranking threads and on all of them Tsunade is last. This is my list based on feats only (no hype):

1. Hashirama
2. Minato
3. Tsunade
4. Hiruzen
5. Tobirama

Do you agree?

agreed. Don't remember seeing Hiruzen riddled with susano'o swords, or split in half and still alive.
 

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Doesn't matter, Tobirama, Minato and Hashirama are above both of them...
 

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Yeah, I'm being unbiased right now. Without hype, I agree. Although with hype, Hiruzen> all :scorps:
 

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I honestly believe tobirama shouldn't be included in the feats lists. We have almost nothing of him except like 1 water tech that a weak form of himself performed. I hope kishi shows us his S/T tech and his powerful water techs.
 

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well, she keeps saving lives:)gorgeous babes wow
 

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Tsunade beats Hiruzen in terms of feats

No it's the other way around
 

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Going by feats Hiruzen is largely above tsunade

Tsunade couldnt even kill an armless Orochimaru whereas Hiruzen soloed Edo Hashi/Edo Tobirama and RDS'd Oro
 
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Yeah, I'm being unbiased right now. Without hype, I agree. Although with hype, Hiruzen> all :scorps:

With hype I'd put him under Hashi
 

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TSUNADE>>>>>>>.HIRUZEN SARUTOBI, This thread needs to be incinerated, Tsunade every other Hokage except Hashirama,
water styles and 1 imperfect weak edo tensei is no match for her, SPEED ISN'T EVERYTHING, my gosh I'm out of here.
WAIT? before i leave can some genius tell me how any of the other hokage gets pass byakugou, katsuyu, deadly kicks and raiton disturbance jutsu
 

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Some of this might not be true, but we've only seens Hiruzen as a 70 year old, We can't really say anything cause theres no proof, we just see what other people say
 

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Tsunade >>> hiruzen
She has better feats
But still hiruzen is awesome
 

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Hiruzen beat Edo tensei Hokages.

Tsunade cannot.

That simple.
 

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During obito's attack on konoha hiruzen pretty much single handedly pushed the 9 tails out of konoha while minato 1v1'd nobito. Took over as Hokage while he was Naruto's age in pt.2 and managed to remain the hokage the longest out of all the other hokage who dead prematurely, "God of Shinobi", pretty much raised naruto, Hiruzen beat the edo tensie of the 1st and 2nd and after wards defeated orochimaru.

Let me elaborate:

Hiruzen is faster than Tsunade although she is stronger.
Hiruzen has more chakra reserve and ALOT more jutsu than Tsunade who we havent seen use 1 jutsu to date
Hiruzen has King Emma, Tsunade has slugs that arent offensive

The ONLY way people can even say she comes close to beating Hiruzen is because this say she has Byakuya < ik i spelled it wrong, while missunderstanding what the ability does. Her fight with Orochimaru points out the fatal flaw of it which is that she still needs to breathe, any poisening or smoke clouds and just suffocating her would take her out, this added to the fact that she has no long distance jutsu but is strickly a taijutsu brawler means that she will be at a huge disadvantage since getting into range to attack means getting into range to be poisened, etc...

Secondly people are comparing Hiruzen at AGE FREAKING 70 TO TSUNADE?? REALLY SHE IS HALF HIS AGE, Im surprised Hiruzen could even walk and yet he is taking on 2 edo's and oro at the same time AND WINNING??? Let me end it with this, Hiruzen in his prime was the strongest hokage ever, meaning he was stronger than hashirama, madara already showed tsunade was no where near as strong as hashirama by the fact that her + 4 other kages couldnt even make him sweat.

Come on people.... Lets be serious, barely and I mean BARELY beat orochimaru when he had no arms and it was her and jiraiya and naruto vs him and kabuto, Hiruzen took on Orochimaru with jutsu and 2 other edos and still managed to win, the only reason orochimaru survived was because hiruzen didnt want to kill his own student.
 
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