Itachi vs. 2nd hokage

[RicardoA]

1-Creating a Jutsu
2-Skilled user of Space–Time Ninjutsu, only 2 other have accomplished that feat are Minato Namikaze and Obito Uchiha.
3-Taijutsu (That is if you remember, in the Manga he cracked a wall with one hand)
4-Sensor ninja (Detect Madara's chakra from a distance, and detect the number of enemies in the Kinkaku Force before his death)
5-Strongest Water-release Ninja in the **************, he could perform water techniques in places with no water and even perform some of the most powerful water techniques with one hand, the technique the took Zabuza to perform for like an hour.

These things are enough for him to destroy Itachi, and not to forget he already knows some of the Uchiha techniques including the Mangekyo Sharingan and its powers. After a month there won't be 5 reason it would be 7 or 8.
Itachi's dojustsu is already canceled. He has speed and taijutsu and some good ninjutsu but he is facing a water type, so has to use some of his water techniques which I highly doubt will work on a Tobirama.

1 - Edo Tensei i know, but he never mastered it and Orochimaru was able to perfect it so the jutsu was left incomplete by him.
2 - We have no idea what his Space–Time Ninjutsu does.
3 - The wall was already a bit cracked from Hashi raising his chakra, also, nothing tells that was his physical strenght, possibly he was also raising his chakra or was using jutsu to get out.
4 - 100% right, although i don't see how will that help much against Itachi.
5 - Kisame and Mei can and also perform huge water techniques without a water source, and they both showed better use of those techniques, i'm sure Tobirama isn't hyped for nothing but he's yet to show anything better than these two shinobi with actual feats.
I acknowledge his hype but he never had one fight and was never seen in action so we can only speculate about his battle prowess. The chapter i see him in the battlefield doing OP stuff that could possibly take Itachi down then i'll say Tobirama, but for now Itachi takes this. U_U

 

[MohamedSenju]

:stfu:
You people on these forums really do underestimate itachi heavily. It's even worse than minato and orochimaru. It really is sickening.. The way people on these forums talk it makes it sound like itachi is a ****ing jounin.. He's a god damn S-Rank shinobi. That's ****ing Kage level. He's one of the strongest people in the akatsuki. He beat deidara in .5 seconds, and deidara can beat kages. He has respect from the entire ****ing akatsuki and they can all kill kages. Even obito respects him.


Seriously, get your head out your ass with the 'itachi's dojutsu is canceled'. Because sasuke pulled it off on a sickly itachi doesn't mean anyone else will. Itachi's known for being one of the best genjutsu users. Unless you're better at genjutsu than him (aka reverse his genjuts), you're ****ed. You're not breaking out of his genjutsu easily, and you're not breaking out of tsukuyomi unless your name is swagsuke. Because you know of someone's jutsu or how it works doesn't mean you're beating them. Please stop posting nonsense...

Once again, with your 1 hand water thing. Itachi doesn't even use hands sometimes.. So tobirama's 1 hand looks like chump change. Stop underestimating itachi he'd put up a good fight.

Even if he loses, and that's not to say he will ( we still don't know who would win), tobirama isn't walking away in a healthy condition swinging his arms..

"Because you know of someone's jutsu or how it works doesn't mean you're beating them" That is unnless you know the weakness of it, that was my point, someone of Tobirama's caliber knows Uchiha's weakness. He was trained with his brother who already faced the greatest Uchiha. Itachi need an eye-contact and Tobirama ain't gonna give it to him like that, so what is the benefit of the genjutsu. Tobriama was respect WORLDWIDE in the whole universe as a powerful shinobi. You are overrating Itachi so much like if he can beat Tobirama with what NO HANDS???? You mean that Crow Clon move that won't work on Tobirama, all Itachi moves need some hand moves except the Sharingan. I don't see Itachi winning at all, all I see is him getting b**** slapped so hard. He created a jutsu that was forbidden, what you think he has no intelligence.

 

[MohamedSenju]

1 - Edo Tensei i know, but he never mastered it and Orochimaru was able to perfect it so the jutsu was left incomplete by him.
2 - We have no idea what his Space–Time Ninjutsu does.
3 - The wall was already a bit cracked from Hashi raising his chakra, also, nothing tells that was his physical strenght, possibly he was also raising his chakra or was using jutsu to get out.
4 - 100% right, although i don't see how will that help much against Itachi.
5 - Kisame and Mei can and also perform huge water techniques without a water source, and they both showed better use of those techniques, i'm sure Tobirama isn't hyped for nothing but he's yet to show anything better than these two shinobi with actual feats.
I acknowledge his hype but he never had one fight and was never seen in action so we can only speculate about his battle prowess. The chapter i see him in the battlefield doing OP stuff that could possibly take Itachi down then i'll say Tobirama, but for now Itachi takes this. U_U

1-Orochimaru MODIFIED it, Kabuto made it more POWERFUL.
2-It has to be GREAT it has to be, if it wasn't FTG wouldn't exist
3-Not sure
4-It is gonna help him detect Itachi which mean the whole Crow thingy won't work, and probably the genjutsu won't work.
5-I think the hype still lives to its expectation there is no way in the world that Mei and Kisame could perform his techniques with one single hand technique.
I'm basing my info on the hype other than that we have to wait for Kishimoto.
QUESTION: How come Itachi never get the Eternal M.S. there was an M.S. next to him all day and it was Shisui's left eye.

 

[Uchihahahahaa]

Are you stupid, he is already a kage and was known as one of the strongest Shinobi at that time.

you are the one who is stupid, tobirama was never known as the strongest shinobi

 

[RicardoA]

1-Orochimaru MODIFIED it, Kabuto made it more POWERFUL.
2-It has to be GREAT it has to be, if it wasn't FTG wouldn't exist
3-Not sure
4-It is gonna help him detect Itachi which mean the whole Crow thingy won't work, and probably the genjutsu won't work.
5-I think the hype still lives to its expectation there is no way in the world that Mei and Kisame could perform his techniques with one single hand technique.
I'm basing my info on the hype other than that we have to wait for Kishimoto.
QUESTION: How come Itachi never get the Eternal M.S. there was an M.S. next to him all day and it was Shisui's left eye.

Do you know what Itachi did with the eye? Do you remember how he regained control over his edo body? o.o
The eye was implanted by Itachi into one of his crows:

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1 - Only proves how his use of edo is worse than those two; how imperfect the jutsu was.
2 - Again, no idea what it does, can't debate about it.
3 - Me neither XD but it would be strange that only by pressing his palm the wall cracked, Tsunade is suppose to be the strongest, that's her trademark ability in taijutsu, Tobirama never received hype for his strenght.
4 - Itachi doesn't need to hide, Susanoo does the trick.
5 - Don't know/remember about Kisame, but Mei:

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she actually used two massive suiton techniques one right after the other, the first without a water source, this at the same time as Madara used his katon. Notice how he didn't even showed the use of hand signs, yet she kept up.
I'm sure he's very strong, but he's yet to be seen in battle, until then he should be left out of vs threads, especially against such strong foes like Itachi.

 

[Edo Odin]

QUESTION: How come Itachi never get the Eternal M.S. there was an M.S. next to him all day and it was Shisui's left eye.

Uhm, because Shisui is not related to him, and because Itachi always intended to give Sasuke his eyes :|

 

[MohamedSenju]

Uhm, because Shisui is not related to him, and because Itachi always intended to give Sasuke his eyes :|

You are right but the rules says if the donor and the receiver are blood related the more it is compatible, Itachi could have risked his left eye and get a somewhat weak E.M.S. which is a lot better than a blurry M.S. I would have done that if I was Itachi because I know Itachi (and me) would never take his/my brothers eye. I mean dude come on the M.S. affected his body he was behind his prime and still kicked some a**.

 

[Saucegay]

I'm not an Itachi fan/fanboy but Tobirama is featless unless this is a hypematch he gets raped

 

[MohamedSenju]

I'm not an Itachi fan/fanboy but Tobirama is featless unless this is a hypematch he gets raped

Raped by Itachi, Hashirama lived up to his hype I think Tobirama would live up to his hype too.

 

[Uchihahahahaa]

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[lanakui8]

right now, all we can go by is hype since Tobirama is all hype.

And by hype, Tobirama mops the floor with Itachi. He made Taka crap their pants by merely raising a finger, doesn't think he needs the other hokages help to fight Madara, and is so powerful he still hasn't been revived at full power.

 

[Targaryen]

I would say Tobirama myself. He's a Kage. He's Hashi's brother. We know he is powerful, and he could exceed what we know.

But of course, that is presumption. So in a technical aspect, I'll have to say Itachi at this time.

 

[MohamedSenju]

I would say Tobirama myself. He's a Kage. He's Hashi's brother. We know he is powerful, and he could exceed what we know.

But of course, that is presumption. So in a technical aspect, I'll have to say Itachi at this time.

Don't forget that Hashirama survived and gets to see Uchiha's potential like the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan and its powers, I think because of that Tobirama might deduce the weakness of the Uchiha. Hashirama lived up to his expectation and I think Tobirama will.

 

[Shinobi2000]

Itachi takes this,
I've been wondering abt that for a moment but after all itachi was shown in the manga and stated on a whole other level to others. Tobirama's strong but he would get caught into genjutsu. In real fight Itachi always sends his clones at first hiding in an unknown spot. He managed to catch Orochimaru easly into genjutsu. He did the same with Deidara and eventually with Kabuto at the end.

 

[P3ĮÑ]

Itachi is mad he wins

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[MohamedSenju]

Dude you got it wrong, if Itachi was lucky with Orochimaru because Orochimaru underestimated him, he thinks of Itachi as a kid playing with his Sharingan that joined the Akatsuki, and he got B!tc# slapped. The other one that is a smart move which he used Shisui's Mangekyo Sharingan which he implanted in the crow's left eye, the technique is called Kotoamatsukami which the ultimate genjutsu, that is the only way he might win is use that technique.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Second Hokage by a bit. FIRE vs WATER

amaterasu > any suiton

. Tobirama can do the Water Dragon Bullet Technique with one hand seal AMAZING he is the greatest Water release user of all time.

mei did the same exact thing. and no he isnt. kisame or mei is

In my opinion Itachi should get the Eternal M.S. through Shisui's left eye but I guess he would rather die in his brothers hand.

and why would that give him EMS

he won't let a genjutsu touch him.

how would he know itachi can cast genjutsu from his finger?

4-It is gonna help him detect Itachi which mean the whole Crow thingy won't work, and probably the genjutsu won't work

hes not trying to dodge just visual genjutsu though. if he fights blind he gets amaterasu'd

someone of Tobirama's caliber knows Uchiha's weakness.

so would itachi who augmented his physical capabilities and speed as a result

Itachi need an eye-contact

nope. just a finger/eye contact

Creating a Jutsu

his ET is incomplete. and itachi created space time manipulation perception

2-Skilled user of Space–Time Ninjutsu, only 2 other have accomplished that feat are Minato Namikaze and Obito Uchiha

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did it save them? did it save tobirama from kin and gin? how embarassing it is to be the only one with this power and still get his shit wrecked

Not to forget he has already heard about the Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu

so madara had itachis versions of those two things? exact copies?

Tobimara was known for being the strongest water user ever

no he wasnt. nothing even implies this. you literally just made that up

Sensor ninja (Detect Madara's chakra from a distance, and detect the number of enemies in the Kinkaku Force before his death)

didnt much help him as hes lost every fight hes ever been in besides izuna

Tobriama was respect WORLDWIDE in the whole universe as a powerful shinobi.

kakashi called facing itachi "worst possible situation". multiple top tiers including obito respected and feared itachis prowess. kabuto called him unique even among uchihas in terms of perception and sensing

Strongest Water-release Ninja

no that is kisame. theres no evidence using water dragon without a source makes you the best. not when kisame is making lakes out of nowhere

even perform some of the most powerful water techniques with one hand, the technique the took Zabuza to perform for like an hour.

which is stated immediately afterwards as something expected of a kage level. thats the true gap of a jounin and a kage. also zabuzas stuck in ealry part 1. he used hidden mist where there was no water in the war arc.

These things are enough for him to destroy Itachi, and not to forget he already knows some of the Uchiha techniques including the Mangekyo Sharingan and its powers. After a month there won't be 5 reason it would be 7 or 8.

things he has no idea is possible
1. time manipulating genjutsu
2. totsuka
3. yata
4. black undying flame
5. possibly kot amatsukami

 

[Lilt]

Tobirama canonically looked at the Mangekyō.

That's an instant loss against Itachi.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

And by hype, Tobirama mops the floor with Itachi. He made Taka crap their pants by merely raising a finger, doesn't think he needs the other hokages help to fight Madara, and is so powerful he still hasn't been revived at full power.

taka merely got ready for a fight. HASHIRAMA made everyone crap their pants and gave hiruzen a heart attack. also him not being revived at full power and kin and gin actually being so and kin and gin > tobirama only proves orchimarus edo tensei still sucks. tobriamas an arrogant jerk so of course he thinks he can solo EMS madara.

 

[Minator93]

Tobirama's 1 finger is enough U_U