Itachi vs. 2nd hokage

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The VS thread section wins.

But in all seriousness, the Second Hokage hasn't shown anything pointing to him being able to counter the Amaterasu or the Tsukuyomi, or get through the Susanoo.
 

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uchihahhhahahahahahahah words speak almost truth:)
it would be either one of them, but i say either , lean towards itachi.....
with what weve seen from Tobirama i bet he is pretty great, but i love itachi
 

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Second Hokage by a bit. FIRE vs WATER, I can see Itachi using his fire techniques and Tobirama his water techniques. Tobirama knows the Uhciha's power and he won't let a genjutsu touch him. Tobirama can do the Water Dragon Bullet Technique with one hand seal AMAZING he is the greatest Water release user of all time. And don't forget that Itachi can't hide, Tobirama has good tracking skills. Maybe if Itachi gets near Tobirama in a hand-to-hand combat he will loose. I will consider Itachi at his prime with his Mangekyo Sharingan working full speed. In my opinion Itachi should get the Eternal M.S. through Shisui's left eye but I guess he would rather die in his brothers hand.
 

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Second Hokage by a bit. FIRE vs WATER, I can see Itachi using his fire techniques and Tobirama his water techniques. Tobirama knows the Uhciha's power and he won't let a genjutsu touch him. Tobirama can do the Water Dragon Bullet Technique with one hand seal AMAZING he is the greatest Water release user of all time. And don't forget that Itachi can't hide, Tobirama has good tracking skills. Maybe if Itachi gets near Tobirama in a hand-to-hand combat he will loose. I will consider Itachi at his prime with his Mangekyo Sharingan working full speed. In my opinion Itachi should get the Eternal M.S. through Shisui's left eye but I guess he would rather die in his brothers hand.

He won't let a genjutsu touch him? What?Are you retarded? I'm serious, are you? It's highly doubtful tobirama's seen genjutsu on itachi's level. The only person i can think of with better genjutsu than itachi (not even counting tsukuyomi yet) is shishui...
You do realise itachi knows water jutsu right? And he does jutsu without seals. He's done exploding water clone, shadow clone and some others without using hand seal.
How does Itachi get EMS from shishui? W.T.F? He already unlocked his MS from shishui, and last time i checked, shishui wasn't his brother.

As far as you know, tobirama is no longer the best suiton user. Kisame is really powerful and wasn't around during tobirama's time, so it's likely he's maybe surpassed tobirama in water jutsu. The guy does have some powerful water jutsu, so that's speculation until proven..

P.S None of this was meant to say itachi would win. Tobirama probably will. Just some points on these logical flaws...

OT: Who the hell knows? We haven't even seen tobirama fight before.
 

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I think itachi................................
 

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You must be joking, He has seen or heard of Madara's technique, you don't think he will retaliate or something. I'm not talking about specific Genjutsu I'm talking about Genjutsu as in general. Not to forget he has already heard about the Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu and even the Susanoo after his brother's fight. He got all the info he needs.
 

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Until Tobirama shows something to make him atleast kage level Itachi wins.
 

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Are you stupid, he is already a kage and was known as one of the strongest Shinobi at that time.

Before calling stupid read like someone who is not. I was talking about feats not hype or titles, did he showed anything that can beat Itachi?
 

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Before calling stupid read like someone who is not. I was talking about feats not hype or titles, did he showed anything that can beat Itachi?

1-Creating a Jutsu
2-Skilled user of Space–Time Ninjutsu, only 2 other have accomplished that feat are Minato Namikaze and Obito Uchiha.
3-Taijutsu (That is if you remember, in the Manga he cracked a wall with one hand)
4-Sensor ninja (Detect Madara's chakra from a distance, and detect the number of enemies in the Kinkaku Force before his death)
5-Strongest Water-release Ninja in the **************, he could perform water techniques in places with no water and even perform some of the most powerful water techniques with one hand, the technique the took Zabuza to perform for like an hour.

These things are enough for him to destroy Itachi, and not to forget he already knows some of the Uchiha techniques including the Mangekyo Sharingan and its powers. After a month there won't be 5 reason it would be 7 or 8.
Itachi's dojustsu is already canceled. He has speed and taijutsu and some good ninjutsu but he is facing a water type, so has to use some of his water techniques which I highly doubt will work on a Tobirama.
 

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1-Creating a Jutsu
2-Skilled user of Space–Time Ninjutsu, only 2 other have accomplished that feat are Minato Namikaze and Obito Uchiha.
3-Taijutsu (That is if you remember, in the Manga he cracked a wall with one hand)
4-Sensor ninja (Detect Madara's chakra from a distance, and detect the number of enemies in the Kinkaku Force before his death)
5-Strongest Water-release Ninja in the **************, he could perform water techniques in places with no water and even perform some of the most powerful water techniques with one hand, the technique the took Zabuza to perform for like an hour.

These things are enough for him to destroy Itachi, and not to forget he already knows some of the Uchiha techniques including the Mangekyo Sharingan and its powers. After a month there won't be 5 reason it would be 7 or 8.
Itachi's dojustsu is already canceled. He has speed and taijutsu and some good ninjutsu but he is facing a water type, so has to use some of his water techniques which I highly doubt will work on a Tobirama.

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You people on these forums really do underestimate itachi heavily. It's even worse than minato and orochimaru. It really is sickening.. The way people on these forums talk it makes it sound like itachi is a ****ing jounin.. He's a god damn S-Rank shinobi. That's ****ing Kage level. He's one of the strongest people in the akatsuki. He beat deidara in .5 seconds, and deidara can beat kages. He has respect from the entire ****ing akatsuki and they can all kill kages. Even obito respects him.


Seriously, get your head out your ass with the 'itachi's dojutsu is canceled'. Because sasuke pulled it off on a sickly itachi doesn't mean anyone else will. Itachi's known for being one of the best genjutsu users. Unless you're better at genjutsu than him (aka reverse his genjuts), you're ****ed. You're not breaking out of his genjutsu easily, and you're not breaking out of tsukuyomi unless your name is swagsuke. Because you know of someone's jutsu or how it works doesn't mean you're beating them. Please stop posting nonsense...

Once again, with your 1 hand water thing. Itachi doesn't even use hands sometimes.. So tobirama's 1 hand looks like chump change. Stop underestimating itachi he'd put up a good fight.

Even if he loses, and that's not to say he will ( we still don't know who would win), tobirama isn't walking away in a healthy condition swinging his arms..
 

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Second Hokage by a bit. FIRE vs WATER, I can see Itachi using his fire techniques and Tobirama his water techniques. Tobirama knows the Uhciha's power and he won't let a genjutsu touch him. Tobirama can do the Water Dragon Bullet Technique with one hand seal AMAZING he is the greatest Water release user of all time. And don't forget that Itachi can't hide, Tobirama has good tracking skills. Maybe if Itachi gets near Tobirama in a hand-to-hand combat he will loose. I will consider Itachi at his prime with his Mangekyo Sharingan working full speed. In my opinion Itachi should get the Eternal M.S. through Shisui's left eye but I guess he would rather die in his brothers hand.

Itachi was also shown to be able to B-A ranking water tech but Tobimara was known for being the strongest water user ever I think Itachi might take the Genjutsu route or his skills in Shuriken
 

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1-Creating a Jutsu
2-Skilled user of Space–Time Ninjutsu, only 2 other have accomplished that feat are Minato Namikaze and Obito Uchiha.
3-Taijutsu (That is if you remember, in the Manga he cracked a wall with one hand)
4-Sensor ninja (Detect Madara's chakra from a distance, and detect the number of enemies in the Kinkaku Force before his death)
5-Strongest Water-release Ninja in the **************, he could perform water techniques in places with no water and even perform some of the most powerful water techniques with one hand, the technique the took Zabuza to perform for like an hour.

These things are enough for him to destroy Itachi, and not to forget he already knows some of the Uchiha techniques including the Mangekyo Sharingan and its powers. After a month there won't be 5 reason it would be 7 or 8.
Itachi's dojustsu is already canceled. He has speed and taijutsu and some good ninjutsu but he is facing a water type, so has to use some of his water techniques which I highly doubt will work on a Tobirama.

What happened to Shisui of the body flicker tech?
 

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This is a hard question because the 2nd hasn't show his
power in the anime/manga but he is probably stronger as a hokage
plus the fact that he uses water jutsu's and itachi fire jutsu's
 
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