[Theory] The Case Of Rikudou Sennin Being An Uzumaki [Full Version]
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The only thing i dont agree is on the first picture. there is no scroll on his back, its actually his arms extended and is you notice to the right of the picture he is holding his staff.
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The hand is extending from the robe, not the horizontal object on his back, that object couldn't be his arms because it's clearly above the shoulders:
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Observe the part of the image that is encircled with the color blue, the hands are protruding from the robes.
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I think this was so well thought out, and brilliantly put together. I just have 1 thing to add; Nagato is a Uzumaki like u mentioned briefly. He had the rinnegan which required both senju and uchiha DNA to use. I would like to know what your thoughts about that are.
GREAT THEORY!
it is my exact hypothesis and beliefs regarding uzumaki and the so6p
ONLY THING you left out is the CONNECTION WITH HYUGA CLAN
this plays a vital role in the history of shinobi and the so6p saying that the sharingan is believed to have mutated from the byuakugan(sorry bout spelling)
Please share your thoughts on the connection of the hyuga clan in this equation
it is my exact hypothesis and beliefs regarding uzumaki and the so6p
ONLY THING you left out is the CONNECTION WITH HYUGA CLAN
this plays a vital role in the history of shinobi and the so6p saying that the sharingan is believed to have mutated from the byuakugan(sorry bout spelling)
Please share your thoughts on the connection of the hyuga clan in this equation
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Since the original bloodline of the Sage is Uzumaki, then Nagato, in virtue of common ancestry with Rikudou, has both Senju and Uchiha DNA in him as well.
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I'm currently in the process of constructing a theory on the possible relationship of the Hyuuga Clan with Rikudou Sennin
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isn't it also true that all uzumaki have red hair? so, does the sage of 6 paths also have red hair?
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man people really need to stop saying the sage of six paths is an uzumaki.... Uzumakis,ninja clans, and ninja didn't even exist back then. Yes i think everyone knows that uzumaki's are related to the sage. But i hate when people say the sage is an uzumaki cause he is not. I really dont understand why people are making this long theories
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respect. lots of time spent creating the theory. but to me uzumaki would rather be senju than uchiha. those two clans have always fought against each other. sasuke represents uchiha, naruto should represent senju.
this makes more sence to me
this makes more sence to me
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This thread is hands down one of the best threads i have seen so far. u connected a lot of dots, not only about rikudou but lot of other stuffs man. and again dont limit urself with this single thread
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Yeah man I get what you are saying the thing is that im not saying the Uzumaki are desendant from the senju but that both came from the younger son......Close relatives are brothers what is called distant relatives are cousin in the japanese culture because they only share 25% of genes lol.....So im not trying to ruin the whole thead thats the only mistake i see everything else is cool just that a cousin could be in different degrees....1st,2nd and 3rd....So if Kushina said they are distant relative she may have meant 3rd degree cousin too but saying that the sage was Uzumaki just for the symbols is the same as saying that Kabuto and Orochimaru are brothers just bacause they have the same eye marks in sage mode......or that Naruto is brother or desendant of the guys from the cloud that also have the nine tails chakra just for their face marks....."It could also be that the Sage of Six Paths had those symbols and the Uzumaki copied them as a tribute to him since their blood linage come from him..." any ways you did a lot of research lol thats impressive
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1) The Scroll of Sealing, Naruto and Rikudou Sennin
Calling it the "scroll of sealing" is a stretch, given the translation we have. It seems to be more of a scroll of forbidden jutsu as opposed to a scroll of sealing jutsu. This interpretation is strengthened by the fact that it starts with shadow clone jutsu which is forbidden (because it uses so much chakra and is so dangerous) but is not an uzumaki-style sealing Jutsu. I think you're looking at the wrong thing here.
2) The Relationship of the Uchiha and Senju Ancestors to the Uzumaki Bloodline
Senju are related to Uzumaki, Senju are related to Uchiha, therefore Uzumaki is related to Uchiha. Given the fact that the Uzumaki have strong physical power like the Senju and the fact that they do not have special eyes in any way, it would seem that the Senju and uzumaki split apart from each other AFTER the death of the great sage. Saying the sage is an Uzumaki is like saying that I am my own son. Statistically there's some truth there, but it's not an accurate statement overall.
3) The Gold and Silver Brothers and their Relationship with Rikudou Sennin and the Uzumakis
We don't know where the gold and silver bros got their magical treasures, and we don't know for sure why they were able to survive eating the meat of the fox. We have only two data points: (a) that these brothers were able to do it and (b) that one other guy in the cloud village tried and died. Is that because the Kin-Gin brothers are special, or is it because that one cloud ninja was specially weak or sickly? We don't know. What we do know is that the Raikage guesses they must have been related to the So6P. But then again, All the Senju and all the Uchiha would also have been related to the So6P, so could any of them have eaten the fox meat and survived? And if the Uzumaki had split from the Senju after the death of the sage, does that mean any Uzumaki could have eaten that meat and survived?
Were there other clans besides Senju, Uchiha and Uzumaki who descend from the great sage too? Were the Hyuuga related to the Uchiha before or after the sage? Were other clans descended from them as well? How many people in the world can eat fox meat and survive? It may turn out that more people can do it than those who can't.
4) Regarding Kushina's Statements And The Uzumaki Relationship With Rikudou Sennin
Your reasoning here is based on a bad translation and equating things that aren't equal. Tobi said that the So6P developed the technique of sealing a bijuu into himself. However, the Uzumaki developed the particular 8-trigrams seal that Minato used. There's no evidence that the Uzumaki also developed the Iron Armor Seal that Killer B uses. There's also no evidence that Gaara used either of these seals, or that whatever seal Gaara did use was developed by the Uzumaki (the argument can be made that Gaara's seal was particularly low-quality because the 1-tail was able to interact with him so much and prevent him from sleeping, problems that Naruto never had and Bee has never mentioned).
I think the evidence here is that the So6P developed the concept of becoming a jinchuuriki, but various clans (including the Uzumaki) developed particular seals to do the job.
5) Rikudou Sennin and the Elder Toad Sage
This is all speculation. There's no evidence that the Elder Toad Sage ever knew the So6P, and this part of the theory really makes no sense. Because of the way Nagato and Tobi were able to use it, the better theory is that the Gedo Mazo became the So6Ps contract summon, not some toad.
6) Uzumaki Fuinjutsu and Rikudou Sennin
The moon itself is not a seal. It's just a big rock. Madara suggested that there was a seal holding the Gedo Mazo inside the moon, but that may have been a bad translation. The fact that he was able to summon the Gedo Mazo after unlocking his rinnegan only means that he gained the Gedo as his contract summon, not that there was any particular sealing jutsu to overcome.
7) Concerning the Destruction of the Uzumaki Village
This is the only valid-looking hypothesis of the entire post. Chances are very good that Madara had something to do with the destruction of the Uzumaki clan. If he needed an Uzumaki to host the Rinnegan, he would have needed to create an orphan without any friends or family, and corrupt that orphan to follow his same bleak world view. It does make good sense that Madara planned this.
8) The Relationship of the Reaper Death Unseal, the Uchiha Tablet and Rikudou Sennin
There's no evidence in the manga so far that the Uchiha tablet or anything inside the Naka shrine in general had anything to do with the reaper unseal technique. Sasuke wants answers to some very interesting questions, and the tablet certainly contains some of them. The hidden room is also a private place where they can talk to the Hokage without being disturbed by anybody else.
9) Rikudou Sennin and the Uzumaki Altar of Sealing
Most candles look alike. They're wax, they're tall and they're candles. You're reading too much into this.
10) The Uzumaki Priestly Heritage and Rikudou Sennin
You're making the argument that because in one picture the Uzumaki were holding their hands like Japanese monks do, and in one translation the So6P was referred to as a monk, that therefore he is a member of that clan? That's a BIG stretch.
11) Rikudou Sennin and Juubi Chart
So far the only relationship we've ever seen between the eyes of a bijuu and a human is that when a sharingan or rinnegan user controls a bijuu or other summon creature the creature's eyes change to look like the human's eyes. We've never seen a case where the eyes of the human change to look like the eyes of the creature.
Actually, we sort of have seen that with Naruto. When he uses fox power his eyes look like fox eyes. However, Naruto also gains other traits of the fox in those modes: fangs, pronounced whiskers, tails, claws, etc. Those traits almost always go away after Naruto releases the fox chakra (even though the chakra is still inside him). I don't think this is evidence either way.
You're suggesting that not only did the Sage gain his Rinnegan from the Juubi, but that the Juubi changed the sage's DNA in a fundamental way so that the sage eldest son inherited that eye as well? If that's the case, what powers did the Sage use to capture and seal the Juubi in the first place, if not a Rinnegan? Rinnegan/Sharingan are so far the most effective tools we've ever seen for controlling a Bijuu except MAYBE wood release, and there's never been any suggestion that the So6P or ANYBODY else has ever had wood release, including the sage.
Calling it the "scroll of sealing" is a stretch, given the translation we have. It seems to be more of a scroll of forbidden jutsu as opposed to a scroll of sealing jutsu. This interpretation is strengthened by the fact that it starts with shadow clone jutsu which is forbidden (because it uses so much chakra and is so dangerous) but is not an uzumaki-style sealing Jutsu. I think you're looking at the wrong thing here.
2) The Relationship of the Uchiha and Senju Ancestors to the Uzumaki Bloodline
Senju are related to Uzumaki, Senju are related to Uchiha, therefore Uzumaki is related to Uchiha. Given the fact that the Uzumaki have strong physical power like the Senju and the fact that they do not have special eyes in any way, it would seem that the Senju and uzumaki split apart from each other AFTER the death of the great sage. Saying the sage is an Uzumaki is like saying that I am my own son. Statistically there's some truth there, but it's not an accurate statement overall.
3) The Gold and Silver Brothers and their Relationship with Rikudou Sennin and the Uzumakis
We don't know where the gold and silver bros got their magical treasures, and we don't know for sure why they were able to survive eating the meat of the fox. We have only two data points: (a) that these brothers were able to do it and (b) that one other guy in the cloud village tried and died. Is that because the Kin-Gin brothers are special, or is it because that one cloud ninja was specially weak or sickly? We don't know. What we do know is that the Raikage guesses they must have been related to the So6P. But then again, All the Senju and all the Uchiha would also have been related to the So6P, so could any of them have eaten the fox meat and survived? And if the Uzumaki had split from the Senju after the death of the sage, does that mean any Uzumaki could have eaten that meat and survived?
Were there other clans besides Senju, Uchiha and Uzumaki who descend from the great sage too? Were the Hyuuga related to the Uchiha before or after the sage? Were other clans descended from them as well? How many people in the world can eat fox meat and survive? It may turn out that more people can do it than those who can't.
4) Regarding Kushina's Statements And The Uzumaki Relationship With Rikudou Sennin
Your reasoning here is based on a bad translation and equating things that aren't equal. Tobi said that the So6P developed the technique of sealing a bijuu into himself. However, the Uzumaki developed the particular 8-trigrams seal that Minato used. There's no evidence that the Uzumaki also developed the Iron Armor Seal that Killer B uses. There's also no evidence that Gaara used either of these seals, or that whatever seal Gaara did use was developed by the Uzumaki (the argument can be made that Gaara's seal was particularly low-quality because the 1-tail was able to interact with him so much and prevent him from sleeping, problems that Naruto never had and Bee has never mentioned).
I think the evidence here is that the So6P developed the concept of becoming a jinchuuriki, but various clans (including the Uzumaki) developed particular seals to do the job.
5) Rikudou Sennin and the Elder Toad Sage
This is all speculation. There's no evidence that the Elder Toad Sage ever knew the So6P, and this part of the theory really makes no sense. Because of the way Nagato and Tobi were able to use it, the better theory is that the Gedo Mazo became the So6Ps contract summon, not some toad.
6) Uzumaki Fuinjutsu and Rikudou Sennin
The moon itself is not a seal. It's just a big rock. Madara suggested that there was a seal holding the Gedo Mazo inside the moon, but that may have been a bad translation. The fact that he was able to summon the Gedo Mazo after unlocking his rinnegan only means that he gained the Gedo as his contract summon, not that there was any particular sealing jutsu to overcome.
7) Concerning the Destruction of the Uzumaki Village
This is the only valid-looking hypothesis of the entire post. Chances are very good that Madara had something to do with the destruction of the Uzumaki clan. If he needed an Uzumaki to host the Rinnegan, he would have needed to create an orphan without any friends or family, and corrupt that orphan to follow his same bleak world view. It does make good sense that Madara planned this.
8) The Relationship of the Reaper Death Unseal, the Uchiha Tablet and Rikudou Sennin
There's no evidence in the manga so far that the Uchiha tablet or anything inside the Naka shrine in general had anything to do with the reaper unseal technique. Sasuke wants answers to some very interesting questions, and the tablet certainly contains some of them. The hidden room is also a private place where they can talk to the Hokage without being disturbed by anybody else.
9) Rikudou Sennin and the Uzumaki Altar of Sealing
Most candles look alike. They're wax, they're tall and they're candles. You're reading too much into this.
10) The Uzumaki Priestly Heritage and Rikudou Sennin
You're making the argument that because in one picture the Uzumaki were holding their hands like Japanese monks do, and in one translation the So6P was referred to as a monk, that therefore he is a member of that clan? That's a BIG stretch.
11) Rikudou Sennin and Juubi Chart
So far the only relationship we've ever seen between the eyes of a bijuu and a human is that when a sharingan or rinnegan user controls a bijuu or other summon creature the creature's eyes change to look like the human's eyes. We've never seen a case where the eyes of the human change to look like the eyes of the creature.
Actually, we sort of have seen that with Naruto. When he uses fox power his eyes look like fox eyes. However, Naruto also gains other traits of the fox in those modes: fangs, pronounced whiskers, tails, claws, etc. Those traits almost always go away after Naruto releases the fox chakra (even though the chakra is still inside him). I don't think this is evidence either way.
You're suggesting that not only did the Sage gain his Rinnegan from the Juubi, but that the Juubi changed the sage's DNA in a fundamental way so that the sage eldest son inherited that eye as well? If that's the case, what powers did the Sage use to capture and seal the Juubi in the first place, if not a Rinnegan? Rinnegan/Sharingan are so far the most effective tools we've ever seen for controlling a Bijuu except MAYBE wood release, and there's never been any suggestion that the So6P or ANYBODY else has ever had wood release, including the sage.
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