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It differs from place to place, here are a couple:

Nevada:
New York: http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/LAWSSEAF.cgi?QUERYTYPE=LAWS+&[email protected]+&LIST=LAW
Washington:


And whether or not its causing physical harm isn't the issue. Why should that matter? Deceased people still have rights. There are plenty of other laws for things that don't cause harm to anyone else.
Don't see how something or someone that isn't alive having rights it might sound inhumane but it sounds just as dumb as PETA. Now not in anyway am I encouraging necrophillia, I was just giving an example.

I find it funny how subjective and flaky America can be with its laws. Prime example, "gun laws" It's in the constitution that we have rights to bear arms but now they are trying to strip us of this right.
 
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Don't see how something or someone that isn't alive having rights it might sound inhumane but it sounds just as dumb as PETA. Now not in anyway am I encouraging necrophillia, I was just giving an example.

I find it funny how subjective and flaky America can be with its laws. Prime example, "gun laws" It's in the constitution that we have rights to bear arms but now they are trying to strip us of this right.
Well, I suppose that's just the way you feel. Personally I'd prefer for my body not to be used as a *** toy after I die, but I guess to each his own.

The constitution also allowed slavery at some point. Its not a perfect document, nor did its creators try to present it as one. That's why they gave the ability to alter it, because they knew what was true for their time might not be true in the future. When the amendment was ratified people were running around with muskets. The weapons available today are much more deadly and much easier to operate. Would the people who wrote that amendment have the same feelings if they were alive today? Who knows.

As for the second amendment, here's what it says:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Not exactly the most elegantly written right. People tend to leave out the beginning when they talk about it, which is kind of important. It can certainly be argued that the right to keep and bear arms is only supposed to be applied to well regulated militia, or as many people do it can be argued its meant for everyone. I'm not saying either way of thinking is right or wrong, just saying its open to interpretation.
 

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Well, I suppose that's just the way you feel. Personally I'd prefer for my body not to be used as a *** toy after I die, but I guess to each his own.

The constitution also allowed slavery at some point. Its not a perfect document, nor did its creators try to present it as one. That's why they gave the ability to alter it, because they knew what was true for their time might not be true in the future. When the amendment was ratified people were running around with muskets. The weapons available today are much more deadly and much easier to operate. Would the people who wrote that amendment have the same feelings if they were alive today? Who knows.

As for the second amendment, here's what it says:



Not exactly the most elegantly written right. People tend to leave out the beginning when they talk about it, which is kind of important. It can certainly be argued that the right to keep and bear arms is only supposed to be applied to well regulated militia, or as many people do it can be argued its meant for everyone. I'm not saying either way of thinking is right or wrong, just saying its open to interpretation.
Not saying I would want my body to be a blow up *** toy either I was just using an example
 

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i think its wrong not trying to bash anybody but look at the human genitals you have 1. a Penis and 2. a Vagina so they tow were made to go in each other its like a key to a lock only the key can enter the lock thus opening the door to a new life but if you have 2 keys where is the lock to open and if you have tow locks what are you gonna do without a key to unlock it . Understand my reasoning ?
1 key + 1 lock = open the door key= Penis lock= Vagina
1 key + 1 key = no lock to open
1 lock + 1 lock= no key to open door
This people, it's simple math.
 
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1) It's not a choice. I believe, if I remember right, there was recent scientific proof that certain genes make it more likely for someone to be homosexual.

2) The Bible. Where do I start?

The bible was something made (let's not get into it's authenticity) some 2000 years ago. The teachings (most if not all) are outdated, and ridiculous.

Tell me; do you also believe that if a woman is not a virgin at marriage she should be executed? That's a teaching in the bible written by your all loving God, you know.

Tell me; do you also believe that if you were born outside of marriage you disgrace your entire family and make them impure for 10 generations to come? [I remember the quote for this one; "A bitched shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord." (Deuteronomy 23:2)]


If you follow all the Bibles teachings, it's not worth talking to you. If you pick and choose which ones you like, you're saying you know better than your own God. Which is it?

So, what else makes you think homosexuality is wrong?
You need to be careful about what u say cause u fail to realise that man in general are born in sin and iniquity. You see we do not chose our sinful desires nor do we choose our weaknesses. Sin is what our body desires and craves for and each human being has there own earthly and sinful desire whether it is anger,homosexuality,lust,greed etc. Keyblade gay people dont choose to be gay thats there natural sinful desire whether u like it or not. The correct term Christians are supposed to use is that we choose to act on our sinful desire. Gay people has the desires to the same *** but if someone wants to follow Godly concepts based on Christianity they need to deny themselves meaning every sinful makeup. Please dont read the bible out of context cause u coming across in a very judgmental way
There are plenty of scientific backed experiments that proved same *** love has to do with hormones and such.
But you won't see these thing out in the open, since homosexuality is a good phenomenon to indulge hate and separation between the people. The more we categorize each other, the easier chaos can survive in our society..all so that we are too busy looking at our differences whilest we are being misled by the rulers. Organized religion is the number 1 tool to stupify the masses and bring disharmony.

Your religious backed moral standards are outdated and delusional.
Want me to explain 'Jesus Christ' to you? the right way?


If homosexuality is or was a choice, why does it being a choice come as being a bad thing to you? It's like you're saying " oh if you're born homosexual it is what it is, but if you later on down the road CHOOSE to be homosexual then nope, that's not right, not possible " I'm pretty sure we're all conscious of our actions, don't make the excuse of "oh they were born that way, they can't help it." They chose to, simple as that.
 

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being gay isn't a choice, honestly thats a stupid fcking argument. Go ahead choose to be gay, switch the straight/gay switch in your brain and become attracted to the same *** then switch back. Maybe you can teach all those kids that got the stuffing kicked out of them in school for being different how to do it so they can "stop being perverts and sinners"

which on a side note reminds me those "pray the gay away" camps got their tax-exempt statue revoked recently, probably because their a load of bull.

Not trying to be offensive about it but ignorance and hate regardless if you mean for it to come off like that shouldn't be tolerated, let people be who and what they are and if you really are concerned because of your religion then remember you are supposed to be judged on yourself not others around you, the guy next door being gay isn't going to affect your chances of your afterlife going the way you want just be nice to each other (love thy neighbor sound familiar?)
 
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I go for 3 days and there are 105 posts lol :p.

Anyway, those of you still viewing or reading this thread, let me give you my opinion on homosexuality. This way, you will know why I view this subject the way I do. Plus, hopefully this will be the last post.

1. For those admitting that the bible is real, that it was made 2000 years ago, yes, yes it was. It was because it was made by the servants of God and Jesus who told the 12 apostles to share the word of God. Now than, about homosexuality. In the bible it states in the book of Leviticus that homosexuality is considered to be an abomination. People who have different views about it who are not gay say that it is okay, however, it is only because it has become so big and most people would want peace. If I'm wrong that no one wants equality with others please let me know so I can add you to the book. The book of morons. lol. Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that back in the past, if one was considered gay they would be killed or exiled. To be gay is a choice. Simple as that. Look up this supposed gay gene and you will find a gene that is said to be the cause of one being gay. However, what most people will not tell you or will not care to bother reading is that this gene is just a more feminine or male phenotype that was created when they were created inside a womb. For those that don't know a phenotype is basically what determines whether you are a boy or a girl. The scientists have stated that it does not determine whether you like boys or girls. It simply means that you will have more traits. I ask simply what are traits but what we humans have determined is "normal" for a boy or girl. So all of you claiming that homosexuality is ok because they were born with a certain gene, No, no they were not, they made the choice themselves.

2. If you choose to be a homosexual than fine. You have chosen to go against God's plan and nature itself. Most want the rules to change because they feel like they are treated unequally or that they should be able to marry because a man and a woman can get married. I tell you all who think this way to literally slap yourselves for you are an idiot and need some sense beaten out of you. You claim that America was not founded by Christian values, those that think this failed History and don't know squat. You can tell me all day what you believe but facts are facts. When it comes down to it, those that are stubborn will turn a deaf ear to it. But those that will think and actually try to make some sense of what they are thinking is right or wrong, homosexuality in all shapes and form is wrong. If man and a man and a woman and a woman could be together than naturally they should be able to create life. THEY CANNOT. Yes they can adopt, have kids already by some one else, or be impregnated if your a woman, but they cannot create a living breathing miracle.

3. America as a nation is falling. We are quickly being divided among our fellow peers and soon we as a nation will fall. I myself am a pacifist but at times you must learn where to draw the line. That line has been passed so far that it is too late to reverse the mistakes of the past. If you are a homosexual and you do not approve the way you are treated here in America. Get out. Leave. Go somewhere else. At the beginning this line was made and so many others as well. As times changed, and more cried, and begged, and played the sympathy card, we have given in already so much. Now more than ever if we are to survive we must draw that line again we must stand together to defend it. Our forefathers, ancestors, brothers, nephews, sisters, comrades all fought and died to make this country free. They fought and died for YOUR FREEDOM. No one can take that away. The government is changing and we must take a stand before it is to late. Do not misinterpret what I am saying. This started out about homosexuality and has become a political thread.... (probably I and others have helped with this in some ways :p) What I am saying is, keep your opinions and lock them up so that no one will be able to change them; however, do not lock them up so tight that you do not hear others opinions for they might share some wisdom that would change yours and vice versa. We must strive to become at peace with one another although it is impossible to achieve total peace. It cannot happen. But if we all take a stand and draw the line, defend it any costs, than we can at least stop this nonsense of change. The world does not need change because we are the example of the outcome. We have fallen from being the best country, yet we are still the most powerful. A house divided will not stand - Abraham Lincoln. We cannot let personal views of others stop us. Now that I have said this I address all of you who believe in homosexuality. If you are one or believe it is ok, than fine, so be it. But do not think we should change our views and opinions because we don't care for them. Go somewhere else if you do not like them. If you can live with the rules though and still want to be a homosexual than live your life to the fullest and I pray that God will have mercy on your soul.

It's a long post but if you read it all than good for you, if you did not, than don't bother posting because your just wasting your time, my time, and you could really just go outside and live life you bums. :)
 

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I hope you realize homosexuality is genetics.....it's as hard for a gay guy to love a woman as it is for you to love the same gender

You can't just force someone to change....it doesn't work that way

and yes there are people who "choose" but it's usually girls who just want attention and not actually homosexual

therefore homosexuality is not wrong

in Ancient Greece and Rome, etc....homosexuality was common

Alexander the Great was a homosexual
 

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I hope you realize homosexuality is genetics.....it's as hard for a gay guy to love a woman as it is for you to love the same gender

You can't just force someone to change....it doesn't work that way

and yes there are people who "choose" but it's usually girls who just want attention and not actually homosexual

therefore homosexuality is not wrong

in Ancient Greece and Rome, etc....homosexuality was common

Alexander the Great was a homosexual

Its not genetic, there is no gay gene
 

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Its not genetic, there is no gay gene
you again, and you once again prove yourself to be an imbecile

oh that article....let me guess, you googled it and it was the 3rd thing that popped up and you immediately believe what it said without doing thorough research.....typical

it's funny because all the article says is that being gay isn't passed down from generation but is still in within your genes/biological for different reasons

MEGA FAIL


see this is why you don't know what you're talking about....you proved yourself wrong HAHAHAHAHAHA
 

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you again, and you once again prove yourself to be an imbecile

oh that article....let me guess, you googled it and it was the 3rd thing that popped up and you immediately believe what it said without doing thorough research.....typical

it's funny because all the article says is that being gay isn't passed down from generation but is still in within your genes/biological for different reasons

MEGA FAIL


see this is why you don't know what you're talking about....you proved yourself wrong HAHAHAHAHAHA
Me again? Lol you have still failed to refute or back up any claims you made in our last debate silly goose :x3:

"Epigenetic markers are “an added layer of information that clings to our DNA,” and regulate the expression of genes according to an external trigger"

Honestly, I didn't even read it, there is another article that says there in no gay gene due to a test done on twins and they both not being 100% gay. External forces alter the genes which is called epigenetics which occurs outside the genes

epi = outer
genetic = self explanatory
 
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"Epigenetic markers are “an added layer of information that clings to our DNA,” and regulate the expression of genes according to an external trigger"

Honestly, I didn't even read it, there is another article that says there in no gay gene due to a test done on twins and they both not being 100% gay. External forces alter the genes which is called epigenetics which occurs outside the genes

epi = outer
genetic = self explanatory
ok first of all, you still have no idea what you're talking about and quoting certain lines like a pro doesn't mean you understand any of it.

It's all still genetic

and here we go....FINALLY you admit to not reading a source.....you just saw the title and thought it was a good reliable article with information that supports your argument and then it turned out that it wasn't

this is why your argument for the previous topic was laughable because you just believe anything

and now you're going to give me another article that you probably just googled 10min ago.....great I'm sure it has tons of information and examples that you have no idea on how they got and what sort of tests they did
 

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ok first of all, you still have no idea what you're talking about and quoting certain lines like a pro doesn't mean you understand any of it.

It's all still genetic

and here we go....FINALLY you admit to not reading a source.....you just saw the title and thought it was a good reliable article with information that supports your argument and then it turned out that it wasn't

this is why your argument for the previous topic was laughable because you just believe anything

and now you're going to give me another article that you probably just googled 10min ago.....great I'm sure it has tons of information and examples that you have no idea on how they got and what sort of tests they did
Show me an article supporting that there is a gay gene
 

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Show me an article supporting that there is a gay gene
I don't have to, you already lost the argument with your ignorance

not only that but my best friend is gay so I know how it works and I knew him for 11 years

Why would someone choose to be a minority that's looked down upon society and has many disadvantages?

and showing you an article is pointless if you don't understand the reasoning behind it. I could easily google you 30 articles that are complete BS.

Why do you think professors or teachers tell you to use actual resources that are not from the internet?
 

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I don't have to, you already lost the argument with your ignorance

not only that but my best friend is gay so I know how it works and I knew him for 11 years

Why would someone choose to be a minority that's looked down upon society and has many disadvantages?

and showing you an article is pointless if you don't understand the reasoning behind it. I could easily google you 30 articles that are complete BS.

Why do you think professors or teachers tell you to use actual resources that are not from the internet?
You don't have too? You made a claim so you have to support it. Homosexuality is altered by external forces hence the word epigenetic. Without the outside forces, there would be no homosexuality. If you can find 50 BS articles, then do it. You talking without proof, yet again doesn't back up any claims
 

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You don't have too? You made a claim so you have to support it. Homosexuality is altered by external forces hence the word epigenetic. Without the outside forces, there would be no homosexuality. If you can find 50 BS articles, then do it. You talking without proof, yet again doesn't back up any claims
you're embarrassing yourself....epigenetic is not an external force like me punching someone in the face and them getting a nose bleed

it's still within your genes, changes within the DNA, etc....hence the suffix "genetics"





Source from Harvard....and actual legit source

you fail

all you are is a pseudo intellectual who wants to act like he's the shit

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