Why Rikudou Sennin is not an Uzumaki.

[alexu9696]

The Uchiha did end up being fulll of hate and for the most part, Senju did concentrate on love, just because Butsuma acted like he did, doesn't mean we can judge the whole clan to be the same. Besides, they were living in a time torn up by war and the Hashirama, Tobirama and Itama all adopted a more anti-violent sentiment.



Master of sealing? Never stated.
It never is, people nearly always adopt 50% of each parent.

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What would you call this ?

Should i put the page whew Orochimaru said that the death god jutsu is from the uzumaki clan ?

They are masters of sealing jutsu , even Kushina taught Minato sealing jutsu

So the sage adopted a son then how the hell did that kid got the eye powers of the sage ?

 

[BlacLord™]

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special chackra comes out from their brains....wonder what chackra that is???hint hint (jubbi)

You're telling me the Uchiha possess Juubi chakra?

Tell me how Senju DNA + Uchiha DNA = Rinnegan, yet Senju were the only ones to be stated to be distantly related? It would mean Senju and Uchiha genes make up to Uzumaki genes, which in turn would mean they should possess all the abilites of the clans combined, which in turns mean they would have the same chakra and eyes, none of which have been shown.

 

[BlacLord™]

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What would you call this ?

Should i put the page whew Orochimaru said that the death god jutsu is from the uzumaki clan ?

They are masters of sealing jutsu , even Kushina taught Minato sealing jutsu

So the sage adopted a son then how the hell did that kid got the eye powers of the sage ?

You said Rikudou, you were holding the assumption that he was an Uzumaki, not taking manga fact aboard.

I never said he adpoted a son, I said the son adpoted half of his genes.

 

[alexu9696]

You said Rikudou, you were holding the assumption that he was an Uzumaki, not taking manga fact aboard.

I never said he adpoted a son, I said the son adpoted half of his genes.

So i was right diluted bloodline is the the only answer this is how rikudou himself could be a uzumaki himself.... then the bloodline diluted more into senju and uchiha

its impossible that clans where in the era of rikudou but he was a priest its very possible that there where many priests back then some priets become the uzumaki clan later after seeing the teachings of rikudou himself who traveld the world

after all rikudou was part of a group in his life its not like he was the only priest in that era he was born alone and alone he got OP power and defeated the Juubi

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

You're telling me the Uchiha possess Juubi chakra?

Tell me how Senju DNA + Uchiha DNA = Rinnegan, yet Senju were the only ones to be stated to be distantly related? It would mean Senju and Uchiha genes make up to Uzumaki genes, which in turn would mean they should possess all the abilites of the clans combined, which in turns mean they would have the same chakra and eyes, none of which have been shown.

no because that is not my theory ....the hyugga are also connected with the sage.... the whole you need senju and uhicha dna to get rinni is pretty much half truth not 100 percent true...... senju DNA does nothing to you hashi DNA is a different story......also madara got hashi dna and didn't get rinni till at least 3 decades later on. so there's most definitely something extra needed to get the rinni.

you don't seem to get it So6P was not born with the rinni he got the rinni after sealing the jubbi in him so lets say he is a uzumaki why would any other uzumaki have rinni it's not in their blood he got it tru the jubbi. and have we seen any senju at all with rinni? no but we have seen an uzumaki host for the rinni. so who truly has the lifefore to handle it a senju or an uzumaki?

 

[BlacLord™]

So i was right diluted bloodline is the the only answer this is how rikudou himself could be a uzumaki himself.... then the bloodline diluted more into senju and uchiha

its impossible that clans where in the era of rikudou but he was a priest its very possible that there where many priests back then some priets become the uzumaki clan later after seeing the teachings of rikudou himself who traveld the world

after all rikudou was part of a group in his life its not he was the only priest in that era he was born alone and alone he got OP power and defeated the Juubi

A diluted bloodline is not the same as adopting genes.

A diluted bloodline means traits that carry through but are weaker, not that they are split and supposedly came to the same strength.

 

[BlacLord™]

no because that is not my theory ....the hyugga are also connected with the sage.... the whole you need senju and uhicha dna to get rinni is pretty much half truth not 100 percent true...... senju DNA does nothing to you hashi DNA is a different story......also madara got hashi dna and didn't get rinni till at least 3 decades later on. so there's most definitely something extra needed to get the rinni.

you don't seem to get it So6P was not born with the rinni he got the rinni after sealing the jubbi in him so lets say he is a uzumaki why would any other uzumaki have rinni it's not in their blood he got it tru the jubbi. and have we seen any senju at all with rinni? no but we have seen an uzumaki host for the rinni. so who truly has the lifefore to handle it a senju or an uzumaki?

That is just an assumption that has grown wildly out of control, there has never been one single suggestion in the manga of that being true. Yes, the Sharingan imposes itself differently in comparison to other Kekkei Genkai, but without a genetic factor, they cannot occur, hence Kekkei Genkai translating as "Bloodline Limit".

Genes can take a very long period of time to interweave, if at all.

 

[BigGuns Reloaded]

This thread is a fail.
The Sage's eyes came as a result of the sealing of the Juubi within himself, his powers became split in two (one brother with eyes another with body/soul and btw this also explains why the Senju's have power over body/soul because the Sage's clan was Uzumaki, who are known also for there strength in body/soul which is why they lived for so long and why the Senju's could age so amazingly); the Uzumaki's OWNED spiritual jutsus; fighting techniques(ninjutsu and so on) were developed by the Sage himself not the whole of the Uzumaki clan! and finally, the reason they are known as "distant" is because they're father (the Sage) was an Uzumaki not them, not anymore, not after they started fighting and hating each and so made clans own their own.

Where did u get that info from show me that panel or databook page
Your whole post is fanboyism to the max

The was blessed with the rinnegan in a time which the world was in despair
He traveled & taught the ninja way to people
The juubi ravishing the land fought the sage when he sealed it the people proclaimed him as a god

Uzimaki are DISTANT RELATIVES OF THE SENJU
The sage is SENJU & UCHIHA
Ask your self how can a son not be related to his father but his is? Makes no sense at all
Bottom line sage embodiment of BOTH senju & uchiha
Uzimaki is a branch of the SENJU
Making the sage not uzimaki but rather an ancestor of their father clan

Further more the only uzimaki with special eyes was given those eyes by an uchiha
On top of that the sand village is also great with sealing jutsu but I don't see anyone claiming that the sage is a sand ninja
The cloud ninja have the sages special sealing items & have sealed the hachibi for generations the sealed the two tails & would've done so to kurama making the uzimaki not the lone specialist in sealing

U people misconstrue so much
When tobi said the jutsu has been passed down he didn't mean specifically he just meant the sage was the 1st jinchuriki & now villages are still making new jinchuriki

 

[alexu9696]

A diluted bloodline is not the same as adopting genes.

A diluted bloodline means traits that carry through but are weaker, not that they are split and supposedly came to the same strength.

its almoust the same thing in the uzumaki case it could be both as rikudou himself had creation off all things so who knows how he got his sons

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

That is just an assumption that has grown wildly out of control, there has never been one single suggestion in the manga of that being true. Yes, the Sharingan imposes itself differently in comparison to other Kekkei Genkai, but without a genetic factor, they cannot occur, hence Kekkei Genkai translating as "Bloodline Limit".

Genes can take a very long period of time to interweave, if at all.

you my friend need to have more imagination, stop thinking so mechanically....has the manga given any actual panel of him with rinni before he sealed the jubbi?? no ...so one must question. his cloak in the panel of him confronting the jubbi has no design but after (and i know after because this is when he split the jubbi in nine) he has 2 symbols on his cloak one with 9 tomoes (the same ones you find in the sharingan and in the kyubbi and bjuu modes on naruto and another one with circles(rinni)hhhmmmmmm see the connection there ...out of all the jins naruto is the only one that has looks different in both modes pretty sure the SO6P was able to do the same thing since it's his seal that is used on naruto the 4 trigrams elemental seal ....that's the sage's seal (which was said by someone who knew the sage himself kurama) you can believe what you want (i'm not here to change your mind) i know 100 percent that the sage got rinni after he sealed the jubbi. because if the rinni was truly a keke genkai like (the sharingan or the byakugan)they would be more ppl with it

also since we are on the topic ...do you believe that the sage left a tablet for the son he didn't choose to be his successor. hmmm kinda goes against what the sage stood for. so who wrote the tablet?

 

[9tailsJinchuuriki]

Rikudo was one man (if he is an Uzumaki) who gave birth to two other clans. So to speak Rikudo's cousins are the Uzumaki.

That means that the Uzumaki are distantly related to the Senju and the Uchiha. Since the Senju formed an alliance with the Uzumaki, they are more close.

Since the Uchiha doesn't bother with such bonds, they don't have thos ties with the Uzumaki like the Senju have.

 

[Sot6p]

That is just an assumption that has grown wildly out of control, there has never been one single suggestion in the manga of that being true. Yes, the Sharingan imposes itself differently in comparison to other Kekkei Genkai, but without a genetic factor, they cannot occur, hence Kekkei Genkai translating as "Bloodline Limit".

Genes can take a very long period of time to interweave, if at all.

It has never been stated that the Sage is not Uzumaki either.
And yet you've made a theory(and you're calling it a fact).
Remember this is just a manga, science and logic are not always going to win. If Kishi wants to make him Uzumaki, then there's nothing we can do about it.

It has only been confirmed until now that there's a connection to the Senju. If there is a connection to the Uchiha, I'd actually believe that Uzumaki is Uchiha + Senju after the Sage.

Some random Uchiha had *** with a random Senju and had an Uzumaki. That's what I'll think IF it's confirmed that there's a connection at all.

 

[Nightjoker]

When it comes to plot no jutsu anything is possible.

 

[Micho22]

I completly agree with you the people who think that the rikudou sennin is an uzumaki they are completly false and all the teorys who the people start about him and his ,,,,, uzumaki relation are completly false !! ,,,
First of all in the manga it was said that the uzumaki are distantly related to the senjus but not uchihas
So than they must be also blood relatives to the uchihas but this was never stated
So the theory about rikudou and being a uzumaki is false

 

[Retsu]

I agree, saying the sage is an uzumaki just because he has similarities to uzumaki's is dumb, furthermore he was said to have created ninjutsu, so this means there were no uzumaki before the sage, he is their ancestor.

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This is why I say the sage is the grand pa to Uzumakis, just like senju and uchiha, and he himself infact is not specifically uzumaki. They came from him, not vice versa.

 

[Honord Sage]

Facts the Senju and Uchiha did not existed when the Sage was alive but generations later they began to call themselves Senju and Uchiha. Their were no Senju or Uchiha before accept it live it and love it it's a fact you can't change.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Obito = the moust lame ass character in the whole manga "RIN"

Izuna. That who you thought he was.

 

[BlacLord™]

Facts the Senju and Uchiha did not existed when the Sage was alive but generations later they began to call themselves Senju and Uchiha. Their were no Senju or Uchiha before accept it live it and love it it's a fact you can't change.

I don't think you're quite on the same page.

The Senju and the Uchiha are direct blood descendants, only two generations down the line.

I never said there were Senju or Uchiha, just that Rikudou was his own free man, not tied to clans.

 

[Honord Sage]

I don't think you're quite on the same page.

The Senju and the Uchiha are direct blood descendants, only two generations down the line.

I never said there were Senju or Uchiha, just that Rikudou was his own free man, not tied to clans.

He created Ninjutsu and the Clan system so it's logical that He had the First Clan and be the Clan leader and it was not Uchiha nor Senju.

 

[karay]

You're telling me the Uchiha possess Juubi chakra?

Tell me how Senju DNA + Uchiha DNA = Rinnegan, yet Senju were the only ones to be stated to be distantly related? It would mean Senju and Uchiha genes make up to Uzumaki genes, which in turn would mean they should possess all the abilites of the clans combined, which in turns mean they would have the same chakra and eyes, none of which have been shown.

- probably it's not that the SENJU WERE THE ONLY ONES TO BE DISTANTLY RELATED, it might be that so far, only the senju part was discussed in the manga, who knows, in the future chapters, the uchiha-being-related-to-the-uzumaki will be revealed? who knows...ugh, whatever.