Why Rikudou Sennin is not an Uzumaki.

[BlacLord™]

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For a start, we should highlight the fact that his bloodline was split and descended into two sons, the elder son, the ancestor of the Uchiha Clan, who gained his powerful eyes, spiritual abilites, and the younger son, ancestor of the Senju who gained his strength of will and physical abilities, that does not just include stamina, but also adeptness for ninjutsu, taijutsu and genjutsu, that is why they were renowned as the "Clan with a Thousand Skills".

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So here the first problem lies, the manga has already stated only two distinct bloodlines have split from Rikudou himself. The Uzumaki Clan have only been stated to have strong life-forces, never powerful eyes, strong spiritual abilites or mastery over the three main fighting arts - only good knowledge of seals. Their clan's symbol represents the typical Uzumaki sealing style:

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The only plausible way the Uzumaki connection would tie in so early is if the mother of the two sons was an Uzumaki but even then, why would the Uchiha not possess strong life forces?

The next problem with the idea is that if Rikudou Sennin was an Uzumaki that would mean the Senju and Uchiha would be close relations, not distant. It's more plausible than one, or a few members from each clan have intermingled, after all Hashirama did with Mito, and had a child.

 

[Waltz]

True. If the sage was an Uzumaki, then there's no way they could be distant blood relatives to the senju...they would be direct ancestors meaning, the manga wouldn't make any sense there.

They argue that the sage developed shiki fujin and passed it down, yet, Kushina stated that her clan developed the jutsu automatically making the sage an uzuamki. Kushina has little to no credibility on such events as she permanently left the village as a small child to become the kyuubi's host. The Uchiha stone tablet has documented facts on the sage and it clearly states that he developed and passed down the jutsu; being to the uzumaki clan as they were users of fuuinjutsu. As regards his origin, the only implication given was that he was a Priest as that office was prominent in those days.

 

[Ryuujinn]

Tobi is obito ...

Anything is possible in naruto so my ans is maybe

 

[alexu9696]

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For a start, we should highlight the fact that his bloodline was split and descended into two sons, the elder son, the ancestor of the Uchiha Clan, who gained his powerful eyes, spiritual abilites, and the younger son, ancestor of the Senju who gained his strength of will and physical abilities, that does not just include stamina, but also adeptness for ninjutsu, taijutsu and genjutsu, that is why they were renowned as the "Clan with a Thousand Skills".

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So here the first problem lies, the manga has already stated only two distinct bloodlines have split from Rikudou himself. The Uzumaki Clan have only been stated to have strong life-forces, never powerful eyes, strong spiritual abilites or mastery over the three main fighting arts - only good knowledge of seals. Their clan's symbol represents the typical Uzumaki sealing style:

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The only plausible way the Uzumaki connection would tie in so early is if the mother of the two sons was an Uzumaki but even then, why would the Uchiha not possess strong life forces?

The next problem with the idea is that if Rikudou Sennin was an Uzumaki that would mean the Senju and Uchiha would be close relations, not distant. It's more plausible than one, or a few members from each clan have intermingled, after all Hashirama did with Mito, and had a child.

What if the sage was a uzumaki and he left the clan and that is why uzumaki is distant relative with the senju .... his sons where uchiha and senju , senju takeing his true powers of the body and uchiha takeing the juubi power the sharingan

Remember the sage was a priest he teached ninshu to the world its possible that he left other priest's like him because he traveled the world and those priests become later the uzumaki clan....

 

[alexu9696]

Tobi is obito ...

Anything is possible in naruto so my ans is maybe

Obito = the moust lame ass character in the whole manga "RIN"

 

[Ryuujinn]

Obito = the moust lame ass character in the whole manga "RIN"

He was cool back then when he was Tobi but yeah kishi sensei killed everything

 

[BlacLord™]

What if the sage was a uzumaki and he left the clan and that is why uzumaki is distant relative with the senju .... his sons where uchiha and senju , senju taking his true powers of the body and uchiah takeing the juubi power

remember the sage was a priest he teached ninshu to the world its possible that he left other priest's like him because he traveled the world and those priests become later the uzumaki clan....

Even if he 'left' the clan, he would still carry the bloodline, and the Uzumaki were only known for their life-force and sealing styles.

 

[the last shinobi]

True. If the sage was an Uzumaki, then there's no way they could be distant blood relatives to the senju...they would be direct ancestors meaning, the manga wouldn't make any sense there.

They argue that the sage developed shiki fujin and passed it down, yet, Kushina stated that her clan developed the jutsu automatically making the sage an uzuamki. Kushina has little to no credibility on such events as she permanently left the village as a small child to become the kyuubi's host.

As i read the other thread this is what i was thinking that manga would not make sense that the uzumaki goes from distant relative to parent clan. That would make both of them direct decendants of Uzumaki although him being Uzumaki doesn't make them strongest clan of all time being that only three guys stand out in the whole history of the ninja world.

 

[the last shinobi]

What if the sage was a uzumaki and he left the clan and that is why uzumaki is distant relative with the senju .... his sons where uchiha and senju , senju takeing his true powers of the body and uchiha takeing the juubi power the sharingan

Remember the sage was a priest he teached ninshu to the world its possible that he left other priest's like him because he traveled the world and those priests become later the uzumaki clan....

I'm confused about something here how is it that a Uzumaki has two children and they are from a different clan than their father. I am not sure how it works over there but doesn't the father's surname not the mother's. I understand naruto situation being that they trying to protect him but the two sons confuse me a bit.

 

[BlacLord™]

Tobi is obito ...

Anything is possible in naruto so my ans is maybe

That was always a possibility though, we never saw him die, just dying.

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

i try and take anything that tobi said with a grain of salt tobi=the biggest troll NB ...

he's already lied or maniplated the truth to fit his agenda, so i dont see anything he says 100 percent true...

 

[alexu9696]

Even if he 'left' the clan, he would still carry the bloodline, and the Uzumaki were only known for their life-force and sealing styles.

Yes he still is carrying a diluted bloodline , you know when it was said that the senju got incorporated into other clans ? so its possible just like that....

Also Senju and uzumaki are both powers of the body of the sage..... who are distant related....

Tobi already said that the sealing jutsu used to create jinchuuriki from the sage got passed down into new generation's

Uzumaki clan was a clan who where the masters of sealing jutsu....

In the managa the uzumaki clan is still forced into the story , orochimaru saying the death god jutsu is uzumaki jutsu etc

I'm confused about something here how is it that a Uzumaki has two children and they are from a different clan than their father. I am not sure how it works over there but doesn't the father's surname not the mother's. I understand naruto situation being that they trying to protect him but the two sons confuse me a bit.

I dont know if this has a point with the OP but we dont know the true name of the sage , sage of the six paths is not a name is nick name.... also we dont know how he looks his face his hair and other stuff

 

[BlacLord™]

i try and take anything that tobi said with a grain of salt tobi=the biggest troll NB ...

he's already lied or maniplated the truth to fit his agenda, so i dont see anything he says 100 percent true...

This is something Obito never need lie about though, after all, what benefit would he gain?

Yes he still is carrying a diluted bloodline , you know when it was said that the senju got incorporated into other clans ?

Also Senju and uzmaki are both powers of the body of the sage..... who are distant related....

Tobi already said that the sealing jutsu used to create jinchuuriki from the sage got passed down into new generation's

Uzumaki clan was a clan who where the masters of sealing jutsu....

In the managa the uzumaki clan is still forced into the story , orochimaru saying the death god jutsu is uzumaki jutsu etc

It has not been stated that the Uzumaki share any part in Rikudou's direct bloodline, just distant relations, the tone of the manga at that point was dismissive and paid little focus, suggesting people from the Senju and reproduced with members of the Uzumaki earlier on in time.

The Uzumaki seemed to solely focus on Fuinjutsu, not general Genjutsu, Taijutsu and Ninjutsu and they haven't shown 'special' eyes.

 

[NagazuDead]

Obito = the moust lame ass character in the whole manga "RIN"

Yes epic.. revenge because of "Rin" XD EPIIIIIIIIIC -.-

 

[Nakamazi Itchigo]

This thread is a fail.
The Sage's eyes came as a result of the sealing of the Juubi within himself, his powers became split in two (one brother with eyes another with body/soul and btw this also explains why the Senju's have power over body/soul because the Sage's clan was Uzumaki, who are known also for there strength in body/soul which is why they lived for so long and why the Senju's could age so amazingly); the Uzumaki's OWNED spiritual jutsus; fighting techniques(ninjutsu and so on) were developed by the Sage himself not the whole of the Uzumaki clan! and finally, the reason they are known as "distant" is because they're father (the Sage) was an Uzumaki not them, not anymore, not after they started fighting and hating each and so made clans own their own.

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

This is something Obito never need lie about though, after all, what benefit would he gain?

he did gain something....more time.

tobi said that the uchiha are full of hate and senju full of love....that's total BS as seen in current chapter, both clans just wanna waste eachother... the kids are more mature than the parents, obviously he caused the attack of the nine tails, it was not a natural disaster.
what makes me believe tobi who was believable because everyone thought that was madara(turns out he was just a poser) and what makes you think obito doesn't have his own agenda.

 

[alexu9696]

This is something Obito never need lie about though, after all, what benefit would he gain?



It has not been stated that the Uzumaki share any part in Rikudou's direct bloodline, just distant relations, the tone of the manga at that point was dismissive and paid little focus, suggesting people from the Senju and reproduced with members of the Uzumaki earlier on in time.

The Uzumaki seemed to solely focus on Fuinjutsu, not general Genjutsu, Taijutsu and Ninjutsu and they haven't shown 'special' eyes.

That is your pure interpretation..... uzumaki clan being distant related with the senju means they also have a link with rikudou himself their like cousins with the senju

There is no need to compare senju with uzumaki , if you whant you can comapre rikudou with uzumaki because that is the case ( i already told you the manga already said the senju are incorporated in the clans of konoha and you cant compare the clans of konoha with the senju , but still this is a fact ! )

sage = great body , has sealing jutsu very powerful to defeat the juubi
rikudou = grat body with strong life force , masters of selaing jutsu

also what is it with special eyes ? you compare uzumaki with uchiha ? The eyes of the uchiha could be the manifestation of the juubi powers , juubi has a big ass sharingan , uchiha also have sharingan

Also a question if the bloodline is always keept why the hell did the sage powers split into body and eyes....

Diluted bloodline is the the only answer

 

[BlacLord™]

This thread is a fail.
The Sage's eyes came as a result of the sealing of the Juubi within himself, his powers became split in two (one brother with eyes another with body/soul and btw this also explains why the Senju's have power over body/soul because the Sage's clan was Uzumaki, who are known also for there strength in body/soul which is why they lived for so long and why the Senju's could age so amazingly); the Uzumaki's OWNED spiritual jutsus; fighting techniques(ninjutsu and so on) were developed by the Sage himself not the whole of the Uzumaki clan! and finally, the reason they are known as "distant" is because they're father (the Sage) was an Uzumaki not them, not anymore, not after they started fighting and hating each and so made clans own their own.

Hi Kishi, wanna give me the manga page?

1) The manga has never stated the Uzumaki excelled in anything other than Fuinjutsu.
2) Dojutsu occur as a result of genetic changes/differences, not through sticking a giant piece of chakra within one's self, although a person may adopt physical traits upon using the chakra of a beast, that's how all Dojutsu occur (a.k.a Kekkei Genkai)

People don't want to accept that Rikudou was a single, roaming monk unrestrained by clans and such.

 

[BlacLord™]

he did gain something....more time.

tobi said that the uchiha are full of hate and senju full of love....that's total BS as seen in current chapter, both clans just wanna waste eachother... the kids are more mature than the parents, obviously he caused the attack of the nine tails, it was not a natural disaster.
what makes me believe tobi who was believable because everyone thought that was madara(turns out he was just a poser) and what makes you think obito doesn't have his own agenda.

The Uchiha did end up being fulll of hate and for the most part, Senju did concentrate on love, just because Butsuma acted like he did, doesn't mean we can judge the whole clan to be the same. Besides, they were living in a time torn up by war and the Hashirama, Tobirama and Itama all adopted a more anti-violent sentiment.

That is your pure interpretation..... uzumaki clan being distant related with the senju means they also have a link with rikudou himself their like cousins....

There is no need to compare senju with uzumaki , if you whant you can comapre rikudou with uzumaki because that is the case ( i already told you the manga alreayd said the senju are incorporated in the clans of konoha ans you can compare the clans of konoha with the senju , but still this is a fact ! )

sage = great body , has sealing jutsu very powerful to defeat the juubi
rikudou = grat body with strong life force , masters of selaing jutsu

also what is it with special eyes ? you compare uzumaki with uchiha ? The eyes of the uchiha could be the manifestation of the juubi powers , juubi has a big ass sharingan , uchiha also have sharingan

Also a question if the bloodline is always keept why the hell did the sage powers split into body and eyes....

Diluted bloodline is the the only answer

Master of sealing? Never stated.
It never is, people nearly always adopt 50% of each parent.

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

Hi Kishi, wanna give me the manga page?

1) The manga has never stated the Uzumaki excelled in anything other than Fuinjutsu.
2) Dojutsu occur as a result of genetic changes/differences, not through sticking a giant piece of chakra within one's self, although a person may adopt physical traits upon using the chakra of a beast, that's how all Dojutsu occur (a.k.a Kekkei Genkai)

People don't want to accept that Rikudou was a single, roaming monk unrestrained by clans and such.

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special chackra comes out from their brains....wonder what chackra that is???hint hint (jubbi)

The Uchiha did end up being fulll of hate and for the most part, Senju did concentrate on love, just because Butsuma acted like he did, doesn't mean we can judge the whole clan to be the same. Besides, they were living in a time torn up by war and the Hashirama, Tobirama and Itama all adopted a more anti-violent sentiment.



Master of sealing? Never stated.
It never is, people nearly always adopt 50% of each parent.

like i said tobi made it seem as if the senju were peaceful....no as we see that madara is peacuful as well and no ITAMA was not anti violent which is why he got killed, itama was the one that wanted revenge and kill and look what happened he got killed. even tobirama said that uchiha love more than senju