[Discussion] Zangetsu is no Asauchi

[Summer]

Ichigo will have no bow trust me, quincies can use swords if they are able too or if they like its just that they stuck into using bows



Very true that he actually said that and you have manga proof, My argurment is that he only knows about it. The fact that he knows about it what made him think Ichigo can master the technique? Actually if you dont want to answer that dont. What I want you to answer is that if you know about something does that mean you have used it? No, Isshin is not confirmed to have actually used FGT

Explain why both kisuke and Ryoken both asked if his shinigami powers had returned because those were both stated in the manga as well meaning he did use fgt and with nlee's past proof and comments there is all the proof you need

 

[gazz uzumaki]

Explain why both kisuke and Ryoken both asked if his shinigami powers had returned because those were both stated in the manga as well meaning he did use fgt and with nlee's past proof and comments there is all the proof you need

The possobility of Isshin using the FGT, given the facts, is very likely.

But there is also a flaw in this logic. We have not seen an enemy yet (apart from Aizen) who would be strong enough to force Isshin to use it. (Please don't say Yhwach, because he would be dead if Isshin used it on him. Aizen himself only survived because of the hogyoku.)

 

[Hori]

The possobility of Isshin using the FGT, given the facts, is very likely.

But there is also a flaw in this logic. We have not seen an enemy yet (apart from Aizen) who would be strong enough to force Isshin to use it. (Please don't say Yhwach, because he would be dead if Isshin used it on him. Aizen himself only survived because of the hogyoku.)

Di you mean forced Ichigo to use it instead of Isshin? well no matter that Hollow he just met on the latest chapter might had made him use FGT, but I'm still not convinced that Isshin used FGT

 

[Ragnaroc]

ICHIGO WAS the only person capable of obtaining a zanpaktou without the need of artificial zanpaktou.

Ichigo used FGT.


A part of hes own soul was lost during this process.


As Zangetsu stated.


He was originally Ichigo himself - But a part of Ichigos soul divided and became Zangetsu.


@ the same time the hollow part manifested itself aswell.


Hollow was the negative energy produced @ the same time when Zangetsu came to be,


Practically Ichigos Hollow = Zangetsu

Hollow + Zangetsu - A part of Ichigos soul.


FGT - these parts where lost.

Ichigos soul became incomplete.

you do realize that Ichigo got his Zanpakutou BEFORE he became a visored? what you were saying is that when Zangetsu was brought out that shirosaki. if that was the case, why did it take Byakuya nearly killing him and Urahara cutting his soul chain for Shirosaki to manifest himself instead of doing it right away when Ichigo had no understanding of what a zanpakutou really is?

as it is stands now, Ichigo has no zanpakutou, isn't a visored and doesn't understand how to use his quincy powers if he has any. most likely you are not going to see ichigo starting using a bow like Ishida using but somehow combine both his shinigami abilities with any quincy powers he has.

i say that because most likely Isshin did use FGT when fighting that beta arrancar and lost, thusly becoming human and marrying Misaki (though why he took her name and not using the Shiba name is confusing) thusly creating three quincy/shinigami children. though i've always wondered why the three kurosaki children all have different hair color. its rather strange

the next question is why didn't Misaki use her quincy powers to defeat the grandfisher hollow. most likely it was because at some point she lost her quincy powers just like Ishida and than decided against regaining them or potentially couldn't regain them because the Ishida family cut her off when she married Isshin. That would be the most logical explaination as to why she jumped infront of Ichigo instead of pumping grandfisher full of arrows.

 

[Zanji]

i say that because most likely Isshin did use FGT when fighting that beta arrancar and lost, thusly becoming human and marrying Misaki (though why he took her name and not using the Shiba name is confusing) thusly creating three quincy/shinigami children. though i've always wondered why the three kurosaki children all have different hair color. its rather strange

the next question is why didn't Misaki use her quincy powers to defeat the grandfisher hollow. most likely it was because at some point she lost her quincy powers just like Ishida and than decided against regaining them or potentially couldn't regain them because the Ishida family cut her off when she married Isshin. That would be the most logical explaination as to why she jumped infront of Ichigo instead of pumping grandfisher full of arrows.

Yes I agree that Isshin has used the FGT in the past and quite possibly against that form of Shirosaki we had just encountered. But like RokuNR asked me via VM. How did Isshin regain so much power in the last 20 years that was enough to combat Aizen without the use of his Shikai. I have a feeling there is alot more to Mr. Shiba than what is being told. Damned Shiba's U_U always being badasses when they are Shinigami's lol.

As for Masaki, I think she used that glove to fight Shirosaki, either that or another Quincy method that would strip her of her Quincy powers, because when she first met Isshin she looked almost as drained as the piss pounded Isshin lying on the ground. Which would explain why she didn't kill Fisher. Either that or she didn't have time to manifest the bow and arrow and fire it off in-time to save Ichigo and went for the push out of the way method instead.

As for Zangetsu not being an Asauchi, that is extremely evident even by Mr. Hip-Hop Zero Division guy xd too tired to remember his name just woke up.......But the mind boggling thing about Zangetsu not being an Asauchi before hand, is that Ichigo was that strong without proper training and without having to have built a bond with it first, and was able to unlock his Shikai state, let alone Bankai and Mugetsu (Final Getsuga Tenshou blade). Too be completely honest xd if this leads to another power boost for Ichigo......what the **** xd I know its inevitable but still he also has to learn how to properly use that Blutz

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

i think that zangetsu is part of ichigo's soul which is different from all other shinigami in which their zanpaktou have their own souls. also maybe zangetsu is that hollow we saw last chapter??? who knows.

 

[Ragnaroc]

Yes I agree that Isshin has used the FGT in the past and quite possibly against that form of Shirosaki we had just encountered. But like RokuNR asked me via VM. How did Isshin regain so much power in the last 20 years that was enough to combat Aizen without the use of his Shikai. I have a feeling there is alot more to Mr. Shiba than what is being told. Damned Shiba's U_U always being badasses when they are Shinigami's lol.

As for Masaki, I think she used that glove to fight Shirosaki, either that or another Quincy method that would strip her of her Quincy powers, because when she first met Isshin she looked almost as drained as the piss pounded Isshin lying on the ground. Which would explain why she didn't kill Fisher. Either that or she didn't have time to manifest the bow and arrow and fire it off in-time to save Ichigo and went for the push out of the way method instead.

As for Zangetsu not being an Asauchi, that is extremely evident even by Mr. Hip-Hop Zero Division guy xd too tired to remember his name just woke up.......But the mind boggling thing about Zangetsu not being an Asauchi before hand, is that Ichigo was that strong without proper training and without having to have built a bond with it first, and was able to unlock his Shikai state, let alone Bankai and Mugetsu (Final Getsuga Tenshou blade). Too be completely honest xd if this leads to another power boost for Ichigo......what the **** xd I know its inevitable but still he also has to learn how to properly use that Blutz

but wouldn't it have taken longer for her to get to ichigo since he wasn't right beside her when grandfisher attacked but on the beach if i remember correctly chasing after the little girl lure. thats why i think that misaki used the glove and lost her abilities and thus couldn't fight properly. we've seen that quincies even without their powers can still see shinigami and hollows as ishida was able to interact with Renji and Rukia on several occasions before he got his bow back

i'm not totally sure what Zengatsu is at this point, most of the proof points to him being an zanpakutou but not one created by hip-hop which i why i think he was unable to forge him a new one. if i'm right, the reason why ichigo was able to manifest a zanpakutou was because he's part quincy and they are able to manifest their bows out of reishi so now we are seeing what happens when a shinigami and quincy reproduce. thats why i think once ichigo learns how to manifest his reishi/reiatsu he will be able to manifest zangetsu once again.

 

[Ragnaroc]

i think that zangetsu is part of ichigo's soul which is different from all other shinigami in which their zanpaktou have their own souls. also maybe zangetsu is that hollow we saw last chapter??? who knows.

all zanpakutous are created from the shinigamis soul through years of intense training and meditation eventually gaining the trust of the shinigami it allows the zanpakutou to release its power

 

[Hori]

all zanpakutous are created from the shinigamis soul through years of intense training and meditation eventually gaining the trust of the shinigami it allows the zanpakutou to release its power

But why That Zangestu just approached Ichigo and gave him Shikai?

but wouldn't it have taken longer for her to get to ichigo since he wasn't right beside her when grandfisher attacked but on the beach if i remember correctly chasing after the little girl lure. thats why i think that misaki used the glove and lost her abilities and thus couldn't fight properly. we've seen that quincies even without their powers can still see shinigami and hollows as ishida was able to interact with Renji and Rukia on several occasions before he got his bow back

i'm not totally sure what Zengatsu is at this point, most of the proof points to him being an zanpakutou but not one created by hip-hop which i why i think he was unable to forge him a new one. if i'm right, the reason why ichigo was able to manifest a zanpakutou was because he's part quincy and they are able to manifest their bows out of reishi so now we are seeing what happens when a shinigami and quincy reproduce. thats why i think once ichigo learns how to manifest his reishi/reiatsu he will be able to manifest zangetsu once again.

You are forgrting that Ichigo is the Renji type, he is useless when it comes to demon magic... he will have a hard time learning to control reishi

i think that zangetsu is part of ichigo's soul which is different from all other shinigami in which their zanpaktou have their own souls. also maybe zangetsu is that hollow we saw last chapter??? who knows.

I think Zangetsu is not that Hollow rather say its a part of Zangetsu which is that white Ichigo

Yes I agree that Isshin has used the FGT in the past and quite possibly against that form of Shirosaki we had just encountered. But like RokuNR asked me via VM. How did Isshin regain so much power in the last 20 years that was enough to combat Aizen without the use of his Shikai. I have a feeling there is alot more to Mr. Shiba than what is being told. Damned Shiba's U_U always being badasses when they are Shinigami's lol.

As for Masaki, I think she used that glove to fight Shirosaki, either that or another Quincy method that would strip her of her Quincy powers, because when she first met Isshin she looked almost as drained as the piss pounded Isshin lying on the ground. Which would explain why she didn't kill Fisher. Either that or she didn't have time to manifest the bow and arrow and fire it off in-time to save Ichigo and went for the push out of the way method instead.

As for Zangetsu not being an Asauchi, that is extremely evident even by Mr. Hip-Hop Zero Division guy xd too tired to remember his name just woke up.......But the mind boggling thing about Zangetsu not being an Asauchi before hand, is that Ichigo was that strong without proper training and without having to have built a bond with it first, and was able to unlock his Shikai state, let alone Bankai and Mugetsu (Final Getsuga Tenshou blade). Too be completely honest xd if this leads to another power boost for Ichigo......what the **** xd I know its inevitable but still he also has to learn how to properly use that Blutz

very true he needs to learn to control blut vene.. when he was fighting Juha he was only using it on instinct... well if he only combines it with haori then he will have ultimate defence

 

[Ragnaroc]

But why That Zangestu just approached Ichigo and gave him Shikai?



You are forgrting that Ichigo is the Renji type, he is useless when it comes to demon magic... he will have a hard time learning to control reishi



I think Zangetsu is not that Hollow rather say its a part of Zangetsu which is that white Ichigo



very true he needs to learn to control blut vene.. when he was fighting Juha he was only using it on instinct... well if he only combines it with haori then he will have ultimate defence

you can't say he's useless at kidou because he's never been taught it

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

all zanpakutous are created from the shinigamis soul through years of intense training and meditation eventually gaining the trust of the shinigami it allows the zanpakutou to release its power

"Zanpakuto are the trademark weapons of the Shinigami. Capable of cutting spiritual bodies, they are amongst the few weapons which can be used to combat Hollows. Each Shinigami carries a Zanpakutō, and each Zanpakutō is unique: as the swords are both reflections of a Shinigami's soul and power, and sentient beings unto themselves.

The Zanpakutos name is also the name of the living spirit that empowers the sword and lends its strength to the Shinigami who wields it. These beings can vary greatly in appearance and have their own distinct personalities which match their owner's.[/B]

i guess we are both right/ what i was tryna say is that all shinigami use asochi and what not but not ichigo because his zankpaktos name is that of ichigo's soul while all other shinigami use the asochi there in creating a relationship but the name of the sword for example kaseshini resides in the zankpaktou not in the shiniigami while zangetsu resides in ichigo soul not his zankpaktou so that hip hop suad zero dude can't fix it.

 

[Strata Uchiha]

Because he will learn that he was not supposed to fight with a zanpakouto but rather a bow thats why he must learn his roots

^ Please...I hope this is not the case!

Maybe Urahara can fix Zangetsu for Ichigo. I'm hopeful!

 

[Hori]

you can't say he's useless at kidou because he's never been taught it

well they did try and teach him when he was supposed to make that spherical ball inorder to enter court of pure souls.... so he sucks

"Zanpakuto are the trademark weapons of the Shinigami. Capable of cutting spiritual bodies, they are amongst the few weapons which can be used to combat Hollows. Each Shinigami carries a Zanpakutō, and each Zanpakutō is unique: as the swords are both reflections of a Shinigami's soul and power, and sentient beings unto themselves.

The Zanpakutos name is also the name of the living spirit that empowers the sword and lends its strength to the Shinigami who wields it. These beings can vary greatly in appearance and have their own distinct personalities which match their owner's.[/B]

i guess we are both right/ what i was tryna say is that all shinigami use asochi and what not but not ichigo because his zankpaktos name is that of ichigo's soul while all other shinigami use the asochi there in creating a relationship but the name of the sword for example kaseshini resides in the zankpaktou not in the shiniigami while zangetsu resides in ichigo soul not his zankpaktou so that hip hop suad zero dude can't fix it.

70% of that was copied from wiki.... actually what do you mean Zangetsu is inside Ichigo while other shiningami's zanpakto are in their swords.. for example.. Rukia's sode no shirayuki is not inside her soul? thats totally wrong man.. very wrong

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

well they did try and teach him when he was supposed to make that spherical ball inorder to enter court of pure souls.... so he sucks



70% of that was copied from wiki.... actually what do you mean Zangetsu is inside Ichigo while other shiningami's zanpakto are in their swords.. for example.. Rukia's sode no shirayuki is not inside her soul? thats totally wrong man.. very wrong

woah woah hold on sista i did not say that. it's a fact that all soulslayers have their own spirit ... this spirit calls out to the shinigami to lend them their power. where do you think that spirit comes from??? asochi only after the spirit in the zanpaktou has formed a bond with the shinigami it is when that spirit takes shape based upon the Essene of the soul of the shinigami therefore making it unique to each shinigami.

however ichigo never had a asochi to begin with but was still able to hear a spirit from his zanpaktou ...zangetsu that's why i say that ichigo zankpaktou is just 100 percent from his soul unlike all other shinigami.

 

[Hori]

woah woah hold on sista i did not say that. it's a fact that all soulslayers have their own spirit ... this spirit calls out to the shinigami to lend them their power. where do you think that spirit comes from??? asochi only after the spirit in the zanpaktou has formed a bond with the shinigami it is when that spirit takes shape based upon the Essene of the soul of the shinigami therefore making it unique to each shinigami.

however ichigo never had a asochi to begin with but was still able to hear a spirit from his zanpaktou ...zangetsu that's why i say that ichigo zankpaktou is just 100 percent from his soul unlike all other shinigami.

Actually the difference between Ichigo and other soul slayers is just that Ichigo never needed a medium to awaken his own soul slayer where in the other hand other shiningamis needed a medium to awaken their soul slayers where they create swords namely asauchi to help them awaken them not that the asauchi have their own souls... they are just a medium... U_U