[Discussion] Zangetsu is no Asauchi

[Hori]

Well if we look at the latest chapter Ichigo is said that he is about the only one who has been able to awaken his soul slayer without the help of asauchi. This also makes things clear that why they did not accept him, but only accepted Abarai.

Well i wonder also how was ichigo fighting without Zangestu with those Asauchi. The other thing is maybe Nimaiya is unable to fix Zangetsu but can offer them asauchi in a fight and if they win they get new soul slayers like that. The most confusing thing is why must Ichigo go and found out about his roots before his soul slayer is repaired. How will knowing his roots repair his soul slayer?

Well guys discuss if you may.

 

[zamki]

Good question,I dunno though

 

[Summer]

Because he will learn that he was not supposed to fight with a zanpakouto but rather a bow thats why he must learn his roots

 

[TheHokage]

Because he will learn that he was not supposed to fight with a zanpakouto but rather a bow thats why he must learn his roots

I so hope your wrong...

I don't know if Kubo just ditched Zangetsu now then I'd be pretty annoyed however a better question is if a asauchi does turn into a Zanpaktou what was Ichigo using.

 

[mlickko]

Because he will learn that he was not supposed to fight with a zanpakouto but rather a bow thats why he must learn his roots

Nah, Ichigo won't learn to fight with a bow.
Most logical explanation would be that he'll learn how to manifest Zangetsu with his Quincy powers a.k.a Reishi manipulation (That's probably how he did it first time) but thanks to his part shinigami powers, Zangetsu will inhabit his zanpaktou.

 

[Hori]

Nah, Ichigo won't learn to fight with a bow.
Most logical explanation would be that he'll learn how to manifest Zangetsu with his Quincy powers a.k.a Reishi manipulation (That's probably how he did it first time) but thanks to his part shinigami powers, Zangetsu will inhabit his zanpaktou.

probably, maybe he will learn to fuse these two races power, just think a defence of blut vene and hiori( whatever vaste lorde use), I doubt anyone would be able to cut him

 

[gazz uzumaki]

How will knowing his roots repair his soul slayer?.

I asked this question myself on a different thread. I can't think of anything that physically prevents prevents Nimaiya from repairing Ichigos' zanpakuto. Even if Ichogo doesn't know his root, how does that stop Nimaiya from being able to repair it.

I can only think of that Nimaiya, might not actually be able to reforge zangetsu because he didn't start off as an asouchi.

 

[Hori]

I asked this question myself on a different thread. I can't think of anything that physically prevents prevents Nimaiya from repairing Ichigos' zanpakuto. Even if Ichogo doesn't know his root, how does that stop Nimaiya from being able to repair it.

I can only think of that Nimaiya, might not actually be able to reforge zangetsu because he didn't start off as an asouchi.

Well I think Nimaiya can't repair Zangestu using his basic method. I think his basic method is to take the shiningami's current soul slayers and make them fight with asauchi if they win then the new asauchi becomes theirs and thus have a new soul slayer.

That is the basic method I think he usually uses. Now in the case of Renji he has a new assauchi probably a new soul slayer, maybe it might have a different name. I wonder how are soul slayer part of a shiningami's soul if they need a medium ( asauchi) to awaken their own soul slayer

 

[Aze]

Ichigo is a Hybrid.

He is a Shinigami.


A Quincy.

Part Hollow.

Part Fullbring.


But he is stronger than these combined.

 

[Hori]

Ichigo is a Hybrid.

He is a Shinigami.


A Quincy.

Part Hollow.

Part Fullbring.


But he is stronger than these combined.

You are just stating what we already know what I wanna know is why asauchi take not Ichigo. How will knowing his roots help him recover or repair his soul slayer?

 

[Aze]

You are just stating what we already know what I wanna know is why asauchi take not Ichigo. How will knowing his roots help him recover or repair his soul slayer?

ICHIGO WAS the only person capable of obtaining a zanpaktou without the need of artificial zanpaktou.

Ichigo used FGT.


A part of hes own soul was lost during this process.


As Zangetsu stated.


He was originally Ichigo himself - But a part of Ichigos soul divided and became Zangetsu.


@ the same time the hollow part manifested itself aswell.


Hollow was the negative energy produced @ the same time when Zangetsu came to be,


Practically Ichigos Hollow = Zangetsu

Hollow + Zangetsu - A part of Ichigos soul.


FGT - these parts where lost.

Ichigos soul became incomplete.

 

[Hori]

ICHIGO WAS the only person capable of obtaining a zanpaktou without the need of artificial zanpaktou.

Ichigo used FGT.


A part of hes own soul was lost during this process.


As Zangetsu stated.


He was originally Ichigo himself - But a part of Ichigos soul divided and became Zangetsu.


@ the same time the hollow part manifested itself aswell.


Hollow was the negative energy produced @ the same time when Zangetsu came to be,


Practically Ichigos Hollow = Zangetsu

Hollow + Zangetsu - A part of Ichigos soul.


FGT - these parts where lost.

Ichigos soul became incomplete.

I see nice explanation, so then knowing what he is, which is knowing his roots that might help Ichigo bring back those lost parts but then assuming your theory might be right

 

[Rikud0 Sennin]

Well if we look at the latest chapter Ichigo is said that he is about the only one who has been able to awaken his soul slayer without the help of asauchi. This also makes things clear that why they did not accept him, but only accepted Abarai.

Well i wonder also how was ichigo fighting without Zangestu with those Asauchi. The other thing is maybe Nimaiya is unable to fix Zangetsu but can offer them asauchi in a fight and if they win they get new soul slayers like that. The most confusing thing is why must Ichigo go and found out about his roots before his soul slayer is repaired. How will knowing his roots repair his soul slayer?

Well guys discuss if you may.

fullbring to fight?

 

[Sterling Malory Archer]

The most confusing thing is why must Ichigo go and found out about his roots before his soul slayer is repaired. How will knowing his roots repair his soul slayer?

Honestly, IMO, this is just a plot excuse to reveal knowledge on Ichigo's mother and how he one genetically impossible creature that is possibly infertile since he is a Hybrid.

I'm really dissapointed in how the character of Ichigo is becoming, seems more like Kubo added sugar and spice and everything nice...these were the ingredients to make a perfect character, but Kubo accidently added CHEMICAL X! and thus, Ichigo was created! With his Shinigami, Hollow, Vizard, Quincy powers, he shall protect Soul Society from the force of EVIL! *catchy music plays*

 

[tossmidgetsenpai]

Because he will learn that he was not supposed to fight with a zanpakouto but rather a bow thats why he must learn his roots

i really really really hope your wrong, quincys are wack ass tricksters

 

[NLee]

ICHIGO WAS the only person capable of obtaining a zanpaktou without the need of artificial zanpaktou.

Ichigo used FGT.


A part of hes own soul was lost during this process.


As Zangetsu stated.


He was originally Ichigo himself - But a part of Ichigos soul divided and became Zangetsu.


@ the same time the hollow part manifested itself aswell.


Hollow was the negative energy produced @ the same time when Zangetsu came to be,


Practically Ichigos Hollow = Zangetsu

Hollow + Zangetsu - A part of Ichigos soul.


FGT - these parts where lost.

Ichigos soul became incomplete.

If Ichigo is so unique in being able to use FGT, then how the hell do you explain Isshin having used FGT in the past?

 

[Hori]

Honestly, IMO, this is just a plot excuse to reveal knowledge on Ichigo's mother and how he one genetically impossible creature that is possibly infertile since he is a Hybrid.

I'm really dissapointed in how the character of Ichigo is becoming, seems more like Kubo added sugar and spice and everything nice...these were the ingredients to make a perfect character, but Kubo accidently added CHEMICAL X! and thus, Ichigo was created! With his Shinigami, Hollow, Vizard, Quincy powers, he shall protect Soul Society from the force of EVIL! *catchy music plays*

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are you serious?

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So that explains everything Ichigo is the powerpuff girl's older brother Lol, so you mean actually finding about his roots will not help him regain his powers?

If Ichigo is so unique in being able to use FGT, then how the hell do you explain Isshin having used FGT in the past?

It is not confirmed or stated that Shiba Isshin used FGT, maybe the next episode will show us how did he lose his powers, I bet it was Aizen who did this.

 

[NLee]

It is not confirmed or stated that Shiba Isshin used FGT, maybe the next episode will show us how did he lose his powers, I bet it was Aizen who did this.

Isshin underwent the training before. It's one of the few ways that he could even know a technique like FGT even existed and thus was able to teach Ichigo:

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Isshin says in the second link "My Engetsu was the same way". He obviously has done the training for it:

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He clearly knows enough about FGT for us to reasonably assume that he either has used it before, or is able to use it. Either way, it supports my point that the FGT is not something exclusive to Ichigo as that guy I quoted made it sound.

 

[Summer]

Nah, Ichigo won't learn to fight with a bow.
Most logical explanation would be that he'll learn how to manifest Zangetsu with his Quincy powers a.k.a Reishi manipulation (That's probably how he did it first time) but thanks to his part shinigami powers, Zangetsu will inhabit his zanpaktou.

They will probly forge zangetsu into a bow. a bow with a bankai and a spirit hell yes something incredibly unique would make bleach the ultimate manga

 

[Hori]

They will probly forge zangetsu into a bow. a bow with a bankai and a spirit hell yes something incredibly unique would make bleach the ultimate manga

Ichigo will have no bow trust me, quincies can use swords if they are able too or if they like its just that they stuck into using bows

Isshin underwent the training before. It's one of the few ways that he could even know a technique like FGT even existed and thus was able to teach Ichigo:

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Isshin says in the second link "My Engetsu was the same way". He obviously has done the training for it:

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He clearly knows enough about FGT for us to reasonably assume that he either has used it before, or is able to use it. Either way, it supports my point that the FGT is not something exclusive to Ichigo as that guy I quoted made it sound.

Very true that he actually said that and you have manga proof, My argurment is that he only knows about it. The fact that he knows about it what made him think Ichigo can master the technique? Actually if you dont want to answer that dont. What I want you to answer is that if you know about something does that mean you have used it? No, Isshin is not confirmed to have actually used FGT