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Do share. You're what, a half-assed Baptist? Do tell. You've been hacking down on shit and I'd like to know what kind of fag you are.

Ofcourse. When not capable of proving Drecker wrong in any way, you'll go cussing like usual.

Cute.

@Aresfour: You're the one that's misled. Or is there something specific you meant with your words that do not only relate to christianity but modern day philosophy of some sort? If not, you still have a ways to go. Mentally.
 

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Ofcourse. When not capable of proving Drecker wrong in any way, you'll go cussing like usual.

That made me smile. Have you ever entertained the notion that the thread got 'derailed'?
Proving Drecker wrong... Implying proof is a valid argument when debating a Pantheist, or Theists generally.
 

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So there are worshipers and non-worshipers. The worshipers tell the non-worshipers they are wrong for their non-beliefs. Yet the non-worshipers speak in the same way that the worshipers preach. Forcing their non-beliefs onto those who do. Yes I agree that people shouldn't force religion onto other people. But on the same note, Atheism shouldn't be forced onto other people as well. When it comes to a Deity, afterlife or everything else associated, you can't prove or disprove their existence. You can only choose to believe or not to believe.
 

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That made me smile. Have you ever entertained the notion that the thread got 'derailed'?
Proving Drecker wrong... Implying proof is a valid argument when debating a Pantheist, or Theists generally.

As usual, instead of holding an interesting debate, you come with the dictionary talk meanwhile avoiding that which you can't give an answer to.

Typical.
 

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That made me smile. Have you ever entertained the notion that the thread got 'derailed'?
Proving Drecker wrong... Implying proof is a valid argument when debating a Pantheist, or Theists generally.

You're so frivolous, it's ridiculous. Always starting off your post about the current state of your condition or facial expression, displaying how pretentious you are.

Getting back to the the point,

"Implying proof is a valid argument when debating a Pantheist, or theists in general" WHAT are basing this off of?

Explain how that makes me wrong?Now I'm getting the impression that you're just making sh*t up, lmao.

Your post really means nothing, unless you elaborate on what the hell you're really trying to say.

You've said nothing,again.
 
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As a christian, I am simply called to share what I believe with others.

Those who listen and are interested? I help grow and provide resources for their growth and try to answer their questions.

Those who choose not to believe? I respect their opinions and will not force anything on them. The God of the Bible created people with free will. He lets people exercise their free will. AND NO HUMAN should try to override someone's free will.

Most of the people I associate with at work and from college do not believe in God, but it doesn't stop me from hanging out with them or respecting them as people. They know full well that according to what I believe, they are going to hell - but the only time that is brought up is in super respectful casual conversations.



I also wanted to point out a few things that I don't like from random posts throughout the thread.


The church is the people, not the building.


God desires our heart, not religion... religion is nothing but a set of rules & steps people go through. God wants a relationship with us, not pointless actions.






All I can say is I don't like your mom forcing her beliefs on you in the form of threats, and telling you you are going to hell. Only GOD is the judge & you are free to believe what you want.
 

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As a christian, I am simply called to share what I believe with others.

Those who listen and are interested? I help grow and provide resources for their growth and try to answer their questions.

Those who choose not to believe? I respect their opinions and will not force anything on them. The God of the Bible created people with free will. He lets people exercise their free will. AND NO HUMAN should try to override someone's free will.

Most of the people I associate with at work and from college do not believe in God, but it doesn't stop me from hanging out with them or respecting them as people. They know full well that according to what I believe, they are going to hell - but the only time that is brought up is in super respectful casual conversations.



I also wanted to point out a few things that I don't like from random posts throughout the thread.


The church is the people, not the building.


God desires our heart, not religion... religion is nothing but a set of rules & steps people go through. God wants a relationship with us, not pointless actions.






All I can say is I don't like your mom forcing her beliefs on you in the form of threats, and telling you you are going to hell. Only GOD is the judge & you are free to believe what you want.

Kill Everyone in 7 Nations

When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are about to enter and occupy, he will clear away many nations ahead of you: the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites. These seven nations are all more powerful than you. When the LORD your God hands these nations over to you and you conquer them, you must completely destroy them. Make no treaties with them and show them no mercy. Do not intermarry with them, and don't let your daughters and sons marry their sons and daughters. They will lead your young people away from me to worship other gods. Then the anger of the LORD will burn against you, and he will destroy you. (Deuteronomy 7:1-4 NLT)

Then, he tells us to turn around and "love" one another.
 

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Kill Everyone in 7 Nations

When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are about to enter and occupy, he will clear away many nations ahead of you: the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites. These seven nations are all more powerful than you. When the LORD your God hands these nations over to you and you conquer them, you must completely destroy them. Make no treaties with them and show them no mercy. Do not intermarry with them, and don't let your daughters and sons marry their sons and daughters. They will lead your young people away from me to worship other gods. Then the anger of the LORD will burn against you, and he will destroy you. (Deuteronomy 7:1-4 NLT)

Then, he tells us to turn around and "love" one another.


When I say religion, I'm refering to catholic, baptist etc (Man made institutions). These people in the passage were following the direct orders of God.



I have had many people question me on passages like that in the Bible.

There are tons of scenarios in the old testament like that.

One that has been brought up the most to me from people is the woman who was chopped up and mailed to various locations. (Judges 19)

I honestly do not wish to embark on a journey of huge discussions on verses like that here on the forums, I have done so numerous times in my life with co-workers, friends and strangers, as well as extensive research and even writing my own personal papers for future discussions. (you can say this is me throwing out a lame excuse and "losing" - i'm ok with that if that's how you wish to percieve this statement... But I am at work when I use these forums and discussing such matters takes an extensive amount of time.)


One important thing to note is the actual cultures and timeline in which many of these "grousome" events took place.

If you look at the 100% human made laws of the time in numerous areas as well as the human behavior and human verse human actions, you would realize that they lived in a very different world (for the most part) than we do today.

You are taking your personal moral values of today and applying it to a very extreme and very different culture. These people lived in a world where present day "unthinkable" acts were as common as tissues and some were even considered forms of public entertainment. (example being public torture\death of people, the removal of limbs for crimes or just 'people of power' abusing that power and doing what they want)

Even during the timeframe when Jesus walked the Earth as a human... Look how Christ died. He was forced to carry his own "death bed" down the streets while beaten and bloody. Forced to endure massive public humiliation while countless people screamed for his death, mocked Him, His power, His Father... This was all done by humans.

Furthermore, the death of Christ is NOT even close to the "worst" death accounted for in the Bible.

And truth be told, you can still find many nations across the world in which humans committ horrible acts against fellow humans on a grand scale, Hitler being a famous example (not just one psycho, but a nation of leaders.) Human trafficing is higher than it has ever been in human history [and yes it's based on % as the population of today far exceeds the days of old). Children sold into *** rings for adults to keep and do as they please, and so much more.

So many things happen in today's world that is comparable to some of the events accounted for in the Bible. Humans have been cruel since the beginning.

The World is much different now than it was then, in certain areas that is.


I will choose to leave the God explanation out at this point as it has become my "debate tactic" after a few years of experience in talking with people.
 

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When I say religion, I'm refering to catholic, baptist etc (Man made institutions). These people in the passage were following the direct orders of God.



I have had many people question me on passages like that in the Bible.

There are tons of scenarios in the old testament like that.

One that has been brought up the most to me from people is the woman who was chopped up and mailed to various locations. (Judges 19)

I honestly do not wish to embark on a journey of huge discussions on verses like that here on the forums, I have done so numerous times in my life with co-workers, friends and strangers, as well as extensive research and even writing my own personal papers for future discussions. (you can say this is me throwing out a lame excuse and "losing" - i'm ok with that if that's how you wish to percieve this statement... But I am at work when I use these forums and discussing such matters takes an extensive amount of time.)


One important thing to note is the actual cultures and timeline in which many of these "grousome" events took place.

If you look at the 100% human made laws of the time in numerous areas as well as the human behavior and human verse human actions, you would realize that they lived in a very different world (for the most part) than we do today.

You are taking your personal moral values of today and applying it to a very extreme and very different culture. These people lived in a world where present day "unthinkable" acts were as common as tissues and some were even considered forms of public entertainment. (example being public torture\death of people, the removal of limbs for crimes or just 'people of power' abusing that power and doing what they want)

Even during the timeframe when Jesus walked the Earth as a human... Look how Christ died. He was forced to carry his own "death bed" down the streets while beaten and bloody. Forced to endure massive public humiliation while countless people screamed for his death, mocked Him, His power, His Father... This was all done by humans.

Furthermore, the death of Christ is NOT even close to the "worst" death accounted for in the Bible.

And truth be told, you can still find many nations across the world in which humans committ horrible acts against fellow humans on a grand scale, Hitler being a famous example (not just one psycho, but a nation of leaders.) Human trafficing is higher than it has ever been in human history [and yes it's based on % as the population of today far exceeds the days of old). Children sold into *** rings for adults to keep and do as they please, and so much more.

So many things happen in today's world that is comparable to some of the events accounted for in the Bible. Humans have been cruel since the beginning.

The World is much different now than it was then, in certain areas that is.


I will choose to leave the God explanation out at this point as it has become my "debate tactic" after a few years of experience in talking with people.

I get your point, but like you said, these orders were "directly" from god.

All of these things, still exist, because of religion.

Baptist, catholic, etc, are simply denominations of a religion.

It's just too much, and it teaches people to live in fear.
 

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So there are worshipers and non-worshipers. The worshipers tell the non-worshipers they are wrong for their non-beliefs. Yet the non-worshipers speak in the same way that the worshipers preach. Forcing their non-beliefs onto those who do. Yes I agree that people shouldn't force religion onto other people. But on the same note, Atheism shouldn't be forced onto other people as well. When it comes to a Deity, afterlife or everything else associated, you can't prove or disprove their existence. You can only choose to believe or not to believe.

Agree.
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