Konoha really is terrible

[Altaneen]

You really have a messed up mind then. Nothing justifies the killing of innocent kids period. Not in real life or in a story. Itachi did what he had to do for the sake of the village. That only makes his actions understandable, not justified.

Main Entry:
understandable  [uhn-der-stan-duh-buhl] Show IPA
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: able to be understood
Synonyms: acceptable, clear, coherent, comprehensible, intelligible, justifiable, logical, lucid, pellucid, plain, reasonable, recognizable, simple
Antonyms: incomprehensible, unfathomable

jus·ti·fi·a·ble
/ˈjəstəˌfīəbəl/
Adjective
Able to be shown to be right or reasonable; defensible.
Synonyms
legitimate - just

I think you need to learn what justified means.

 

[abister90]

I personally see Konoha as a corrupt government. Like present day, they do shameful things and hide things from the general public. I think the village would do better if all the people involved in the corruption were dead.

Danzo is gone, Hiruzen was an alright Hokage... but he had a hand in this corruption, and those two elders need to die (I really want Sasuke to kill them) Once they are all out of the way, Konoha can rebuild its foundation on new terms.

 

[Strata Uchiha]

Uchihas are like spartans. The moment they're born, they're trained to kill ^_^

Preach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ItachiStyle]

How were they corrupt? Certainly no more corrupt than other Naruto world Govts (or most real world Govts during wartime).

They were secretive and not democratic, but the Uchiha were both those things too (except Konoha's Govt seemed to have majority support, while the Uchiha were a minority wanting to overthrow the popular Govt).

 

[minatoisagod]

of course its hypocritical man heck tsunade didn't even put sasuke as a rouge ninja just because naruto and sakura risking the dang village again. But hey things like this are done so those in power can stay in power

 

[Fermion]

Well althought the clan was masaccred but the manga does not give enough evidences that Itachi killed the children also.The Uchiha killings were just to stop the coup d'etat that could have happened with just the elders being killed
And the does a clan neccesarily means a accumilation of thousand people.there are chances of being a handful of uchihans in the whole clan and there is a also a chance that Sasuke was the youngest one.And I dont think there would have been any uchiha who had nothing to do with coup d'etat.You say there may be ppl like Itachi and Shisui but Manga states that Shisui and Itachi were only one with this type of thinking.

And afterall Hizuren was not the one who wanted all this to happen.It was Danzo who forced and convinced the elders to take such step and ordered Itachi.There was no other option than this.
Uchiha's would have died even if Itachi would'nt had killed him.I dont think they were strong and capable enough to perform a coup d'etat successfully and have control on the village.That would have costed more destruction.
After knowing all this if Sasuke thinks rationally out of emotion then he would realize that the massacre was just because of the conditions set by destiny.
If then also if he wants to put a blame on anybody than it should be Danzo and Obito.It was due to obito's Nine tails attack due to which the Uchiha's were suspected and put into surveillane by the village which caused them dissatisfaction and reaped the seeds of coup d'etat which, Idea brought there own destruction.
and secondly Danzo who somewhere from the beginning had some glitch from Uchiha's.he did'nt let Shisui to use his mang. Sharingan and settle the matters.And even after having his eyes after killing him he did not used it to settle the things with Uchihas and prevent the massacre.He was blinded by his thinking that if we exuse Uchiha's today they will bring some or other problem tomorrow so the only way to stop them is to get rid out of them.

 

[Yellow Spark]

Love itachi, minato, luffy, zoro, gohan.

 

[black queen]

You really have a messed up mind then. Nothing justifies the killing of innocent kids period. Not in real life or in a story. Itachi did what he had to do for the sake of the village. That only makes his actions understandable, not justified.

well said .

 

[fayeon]

I agree .. but still sasuke will be wrong if he killed people who doesn't know anything about the uchiha .

what I really hate is everyone think sasuke is a criminal because he killed danzu when danzu and the elders are the real criminals

what should happen is killing the elders and tell the villagers the truth about everything maybe the 5 hokages will do it .

 

[KevinPJH]

Problem is, killing people in Konoha will achieve nothing. It will just create people like Sasuke and make them want to kill Sasuke and then they will live their lives in hate and live for revenge, like Sasuke did.

Just a useless chain of hatred and death, the only person who can stop this chain is a strong minded, wise man.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

funny the leaf is like a country we all know well say their the goods guys there honest and friendly hey at least the mist was honest about their rep the leaf they lied and made everyone believe their BS

 

[Machiko]

I wouldn't exactly say that the village in itself is terrible, it's just that a bunch of arrogant bastards (Danzou, Tobirama, Konoha's elders) decided to do some awful stuff and that was the cause of having so many missing nin wanting to take revenge on Konoha.

 

[Oriver]

I disagree, so does Itachi, point stands.

The leaders of Konoha have one job, to protect Konoha, stopping the people who want to endanger that, just so their kids will try again in 10~ years (and they knew they would because their emotional Uchiha brains) is a very poor strategy of fulfilling said one job.

If anyone should be looked upon as responsible for the Uchiha children's deaths, it is their foolish parents.

I think it is kind of problematic to just say UCHIHAs . .they just go crazy
Seems an easy justification .

Quite franking . . judging by the backstory
The 1st would not have agreed with that assumption or plan of action.
While The 3rd is more like the Hashi than Danzo . . .both of them seem heavily influenced by Tobirama.

Naruto is seen as more aligned with the mentality of the 1st
Sasuke is becoming a hardliner like Madara and Hashi's fathers

The two represent the 'new' and 'old' ways

Oriver

 

[Oriver]

Well althought the clan was masaccred but the manga does not give enough evidences that Itachi killed the children also.The Uchiha killings were just to stop the coup d'etat that could have happened with just the elders being killed
And the does a clan neccesarily means a accumilation of thousand people.there are chances of being a handful of uchihans in the whole clan and there is a also a chance that Sasuke was the youngest one.And I dont think there would have been any uchiha who had nothing to do with coup d'etat.You say there may be ppl like Itachi and Shisui but Manga states that Shisui and Itachi were only one with this type of thinking.

And afterall Hizuren was not the one who wanted all this to happen.It was Danzo who forced and convinced the elders to take such step and ordered Itachi.There was no other option than this.
Uchiha's would have died even if Itachi would'nt had killed him.I dont think they were strong and capable enough to perform a coup d'etat successfully and have control on the village.That would have costed more destruction.
After knowing all this if Sasuke thinks rationally out of emotion then he would realize that the massacre was just because of the conditions set by destiny.
If then also if he wants to put a blame on anybody than it should be Danzo and Obito.It was due to obito's Nine tails attack due to which the Uchiha's were suspected and put into surveillane by the village which caused them dissatisfaction and reaped the seeds of coup d'etat which, Idea brought there own destruction.
and secondly Danzo who somewhere from the beginning had some glitch from Uchiha's.he did'nt let Shisui to use his mang. Sharingan and settle the matters.And even after having his eyes after killing him he did not used it to settle the things with Uchihas and prevent the massacre.He was blinded by his thinking that if we exuse Uchiha's today they will bring some or other problem tomorrow so the only way to stop them is to get rid out of them.

In more 'REAL WORLD' type terms, Its like wiping out the Native Americans . . . so the U.S. could be a great nation?

ORiver

 

[Naru2GT]

That doesn't justify the killing of kids. Point stands.

I agree with you, in the real world. I think Konoha feared what these children will do. In this week manga, even Hashi's dad is concern with Madara that he could take out skilled adult senjus and he's only a child.

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[Bluntss]

Earlier today, I thought about something. I use to think sasuke was bat shit crazy, but little by little as the story started to unfold, I got the whole picture. Think about the uchiha massacre for a second. There were children and women that were executed and Hiruzen confirmed that they ordered itachi to sacrifice the clan for the village. I mean, there probably were some people like shisui and itachi. Maybe some old uchiha who were just sick of the cursed things and just wanted to enjoy the rest of their lives. Some mothers that didn't really care. I'm pretty sure some people in the uchiha were left in the dark for fear of what they might tell. My point, is that I hear people say "oh sasuke wants to kill people in the leaf who have no knowledge of what went on, he's insane". But weren't there children killed without knowledge of what their parents were going to do? Or other uchiha's that did not want anything to do with the coup, but were killed by itachi because they were uchihas? That's why it's justified in sasuke's mind, and now I see why he feels that way. The Elders were pretty ****ed up ordering the execution of everybody, even children. So, people need to understand sasuke's train of though a little more.

Thanks for reading guys.

I could not agree more with you. Sasukes actions are understandable simply because, it is extremly difficult to forgive a village that was the cause of the killing of your clan/family. I kind of agree with what Hiruzen said about doing negotiations, instead of just killing them like Danzo and the elders wanted. There is always an alternative.

 

[ItachiStyle]

I still have yet to see anyone explain either:
a) how the Uchiha were "oppressed", or
b) What the sensible alternative plan to a pre-emptive strike would be

 

[razinzell]

The Uchiha set themselves up for that. The were planning a coup de etat. If they did that a civil war would erupt in konoha, allowing other nations to take advantage of that and attack, and the leaf could have been completely eliminated. its the lives of the Uchiha clan or the lives of most of the leaf, they did what they had to do. Also, Sasuke was the only kid in the clan at the time. If there were other kids his age then he would have been friends with them.

And maybe some of the wives and elders didnt agree. But, well, you can't just massacre most of a clan

 

[Altaneen]

well said .

It's not well said, those two words are synonyms.

 

[Arugon]

Is an eye for an eye a justifiable reason to kill thousands and potentially spark another Ninja War which would result in hundreds of thousands of deaths? I don't think so, and I think that Sasuke is starting to realize this as well.