Was Jiraya even that useful?

[siyo]

I love Jiraya and all but besides teaching Naruto the rasengan, was he actively useful in teaching naruto anything during the time skip. Apparently, Naruto increased his tactics against genjutsu but barely. To me the first few episodes of Naruto Part 2, we basically saw the same naruto as in part one.

Naruto's true improvement came with the wind style rasengan and later on sage mode, before this he was basically the same naruto from part one.

The bell test showed one of the important things Jiraiya was focusing on. Turning Naruto into a real shinobi.

Naruto's timing, chakra control and improvement of his jutsus he had at the time was what had really improved since part 1. Before that Naruto lacked the necessary fundamentals to be labeled a complete shinobi, because he lacked a lot of basic skills he failed to pick up when he was younger- mostly due to the Kurama not cooperating and lack of time. Without said skills he had been vulnerable if he faced off against akatsuki caliber fighters. This also included genjutsu defense, "that jutsu" and the forrest buster, Odama rasengan.

Secondly, Naruto clearly learned about life, philosophy and various responsibilities under Jiraiya. He matured both physically and mentally while traveling the world. He also got himself a father figure in pervy sage.

You can't put a price on that. It's not about how many techniques you possess.

 

[ethan201222]

Damn people got so fiesty when i said nothing wrong lol

 

[Lana Del Taka]

Ero senin played most important part in part 2 since it was Ero senin who insisted Tsunade to bring in Yamato and plus he also gave kakashi the suppressing seal in order to suppress the 9tails .......

Plus how can you forget the fact he was the one who fought toe-to-toe with pain and came up with the theory along with the code which can be only used by Naruto to defeat Pain

He's talking about Naruto's training in the beginning of part 2

 

[~Zonta~]

He's talking about Naruto's training in the beginning of part 2

Man Jiraya was gathering information about the akatsuki at that time when Naruto went on the mission to save Gara

 

[Lana Del Taka]

Man Jiraya was gathering information about the akatsuki at that time when Naruto went on the mission to save Gara

My bad, i meant pre time skip

 

[ethan201222]

He's talking about Naruto's training in the beginning of part 2

i know but nvm people understanding that lol

 

[freaks99]

Yeah, what was "that jutsu"? Has it been shown? xd My memory's a bit fuzzy.

uthis yet unknoun jitsu

 

[svladcjelli42]

Without Jiraiya's coded message, Pein would have completely crushed Konoha.

 

[Lana Del Taka]

i know but nvm people understanding that lol

Yea, people like to ignore what thread is saying and then post irrelavent posts

 

[ethan201222]

uthis yet unknoun jitsu

What jutsu are u guys talking about??

 

[Lana Del Taka]

Without Jiraiya's coded message, Pein would have completely crushed Konoha.

Like thisXD

 

[Lana Del Taka]

uthis yet unknoun jitsu

Why would you mention a jutsu that hasnt even been shown?

 

[ethan201222]

Like thisXD

I am talking about the beginning of part two....the naruto for all the episodes before he learning wind style..was basically the same naruto we saw in part one with slight upgrades....geeze

 

[Chibiusa]

Without Jiraiya's coded message, Pein would have completely crushed Konoha.

Pain pretty much did completely crush Konoha...

 

[ethan201222]

Pain pretty much did completely crush Konoha...

He destroyed it either way and none of the pains were really defeated except one which was revived anyway and the other who apparently the lil kid hit with a rasengan. Again tho im talking about early part two.

 

[Pervy Wrath]

uthis yet unknoun jitsu

It's still unknown!? Well then, it has to be some kind of epic sealing jutsu or something. If it has been kept a secret this long, it needs to be big. I'd completely forgotten about it.

 

[~Zonta~]

My bad, i meant pre time skip

heheh its fine but we have seen in the flashbacks of both Naruto and Gerotora that Jiraya was training Naruto to gain control over Kuruma......

By teaching Naruto to take control over Kuruma he was making sure Naruto learns 4th's That Jutsu which IMO is FTG

 

[-Tremendous-]

It's still unknown!? Well then, it has to be some kind of epic sealing jutsu or something. If it has been kept a secret this long, it needs to be big. I'd completely forgotten about it.

this is total sarcasm.

 

[Pervy Wrath]

this is total sarcasm.

Hard to register on the internet! Nevertheless, I've still completely forgotten about it :O

 

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