[Predictions] Fairy Tail Manga 321 Discussion and 322 Predictions

[CrimsonFire]

My friends... shut up. I know that Caliburn will eat out you guys for saying these stupid things.

The main theme about FT is that bonds between family and friends can overcome brute power. Laxus beating Jura was probably disappointing for many but if you look back to how Laxus fought against Purehito, it was to be expected. Here is a quote said by Jura himself- "The quality of the Magic itself is immaterial. He who has the stronger conviction will always prevail." Laxus's convictions overcame Jura's strength and one could say that Jura lost because he wanted to.
If you look at the whole fight, Jura used his rock techniques far too less and went for fist fighting. Either Laxus was too fast for him or he brought himself down to Laxus's level to fight him on even grounds. Heck... Jura wasnt even serious during the battle as much s Laxus was.
I predict that he isnt seriously injured at all. More like tired after a long fight.

Stupid things? Dude it's my opinion on how I felt about the chapter and nobody else. Not everyone is going to feel the same about a chapter whether it is Fairy Tail any other managa because everyone has a different opinion that is factual.

You know a lot of people are alway so easy to use, or in fact abuse, the 'plot' the way you are using it right now, however it's just wrong. FT characters aren't protected by a 'plot armor', it is the plot. Everything that happens is the plot, while you make it sound like that there is something else than the plot. That same plot made a complete mockery of FT the first day of the Games.

lol That's exactly what I mean plot not plot armor my mistake when I first post. I am not trying to "abuse" term plot, nor am I making out make out bigger sorry if I gave you that impression. What I mean is when Fairy Tail characters are protected by plot is that Fairy Tail characters are winning fights that they should had lost in this arc, this chapter is a good example of that. Laxus should had lost to Jura because Jura clearly was stronger then Laxus, but Laxus got fired up and turn the tables. Like I said earlier Fairy Tail are winning fights with no loses, while other teams are loses 1 or 2 members. I find that way to convenient. Hope that clarifies a little bit.

Agreed, the plot for magic game arc is not very good. This arc is Fairy Tail main plot dealing with the x777 related or least it suppose to be because before this arc Fairy Tail did not even have a main plot.

 

[Caliburn]

I am dropping Fairytail, that's why I am expressing myself how I felt about this week chapter. Everyone is dropping this series out, unlike other chapters of FT, this week chapter of fairytail is by far the worst rating of all. Not only it has the lowest rating, but also Hiro Mashima completly uterrly destroys his own manga!
Also did you know that Fairy Tail anime is getting canceled. Havn't you notice that it has annouced at the same day as when this week chapter was released. This is a sign that shows how horrible Hiro Mashima is a bad writer. Anyway have fun reading FT

P.S. If you find this too offensive, then by all mean, ban me, go ahead, but it won't change a thing , everyone has the right to express themselve.

Not everyone is dropping the series out, that's a complete baseless statement. The fact that there are people who disagree with you alone is proof of that. FT is currently still one of the highest rated manga's on manga forums/sites to the point people even started to mention it together with the Big 3: OP, Bleach and Naruto. I haven't a clue to which ratings you are referring to, but I really hope it aren't the one of the poll of this thread as that just would be laughable.

You find this a horrible chapter, I find this a normal chapter. Not the best, but not a bad one either. It's a personal opinion as I don't find it that Hiro is destroying his manga.

And yes I heard that, I also know that statement of yours is drenched in naivety as this is what you just said "oh no, FT had a bad chapter this week, so we have to remove the anime right now!". That's just preposterous =/ decisions like that aren't made on a whim, if anything that was a pure coincidence or did you see that as some kind of divine intervention of a higher being? And then I'm not even taking into consideration the time that chapter got released in Japan and here and the time difference.

Yes you have the right to voice your own opinion, I never denied that nor forbid you to voice it. However you do not have the right to threaten the mangaka and you can voice an opinion without the foul language, which is against the forum rules.

I was going to leave this section, but you guys didn't shut up, and intend to talk back on me. Beside I only went to this section only for few times for good chapters ratings, but now this piss me off soo much I had to go through all out just so that I can drop this shit out so that I can see ppl can be honest of this chapter quality , isn't it supposed to why theres rating, so we can determine how bad/good but how inconvient to see that I'm only talking to all HARDCORE FAIRYTARDS who intend to think that the quality itself is better than other animes.
I bet the mod kicked out alot of ppl in this section for those who think the chapters is bad, and that there are only 20 ppl rate 5/5 which proves that there are only few fairytard in this anime community, that shows how bad a series can get.

You are the one not to talk, theres no telling as to why Fairytail is getting cancel but there are the biggest possiblity that it has to do with Hiro writing. NOT ANIME catching up to manga.

Of course we talk back, that's what threads are for. If you don't want anyone to talk back, don't post or don't reply to them, but complaining that people do it is just irrational. As said before it's completely subjective whether you find this chapter good or not, however you are acting like your opinion is actual truth.

For the record I never claimed that FT is the best manga ever and to me anime are always secondary, no matter which one. So now you're pretty much making things up, assuming them as you see fit. How convenient for you that you make people in your head the way you want them to be just so that you can criticize them.

And no it's not even possible to ban someone from an entire section nor did I ever ban someone for just going into an argument with me. However I did punish people who broke the rules and currently you are harassing several members, including me, just because you can't hack it that people aren't of the same opinion of yours, so you are being a hypocrite as you are accusing me without a shred of evidence, void of any kind of proof that I banned people from this section just because they didn't like FT and you said that just because I didn't agree with you =/

You post here opinion, finding this a horrible chapter, but consider that 'opinion' of yours as solid truth and people aren't, according to you, not even allowed to disagree with you. You assume an accuse things and people without any kind of basis. Apparently the thought that your opinion might be the the one that's actually the odd one out and that the people who find this a normal/good chapter are the largest group. Well that's just plain arrogance from your part as to you it seems your own opinion is law. I can perfectly understand why people wouldn't like this chapter, however I don't have to agree with the opinion nor with the reasons why you think it's a bad chapter. That is my right and if you post, you automatically accept that people have the right to disagree with you. If you don't, then don't post at all.

Anime and manga haven't so much to do with each other, with the exception being when they are too close with each other. Anime's have been made from countless of manga's and then just stopped for various reasons while the manga just continued without any kind of trouble (for example Air Gear and History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi). No matter how trashy you find the manga, it's a fact that it's very popular, so that it would have something to do with Hiro's writing is baseless BS.

I watched the anime in fairytail and let me be honest with you, even the lucy filler arc are way better then Hiro writing skills especially with this crappy tourney arc!!! Even alot of ppl agrees with me that fillers in fairytail are better then tourney arc.
So i don't see what it has to do with the fillers plus they only put few fillers.
AGAIN, Stop Being Ignorant, as I've said before, as long as you don't shut up, I will remain here. Does that answer your question??
Or is it hard for you to understand since your just a Fairytards who only defines Friendship&feelings not logic!!!

Oh dear, now you gonna respond to me, since I probably crossed the line, now I have to answer your illogical ways. Will you leave me in peace for god sake SO I'd be gone in this section for good??

I love this tournament arc also define 'a lot of people' as likewise there are 'a lot of people' love this tournament arc.

As long as you keep posting, we have the right to reply, this is not your thread nor your section. If you want to leave, then leave. Seriously I think more than one person would be happy about you leaving, no one is forcing you to stay. That we reply to your messages? Well you posted, so it's not uncommon for people to react on it, but no is saying you have to reply on that reply, that's your decision.

Also last warning call someone a 'fairytard' one more time and I'm going to punish you as that is harassment.

Stupid things? Dude it's my opinion on how I felt about the chapter and nobody else. Not everyone is going to feel the same about a chapter whether it is Fairy Tail any other managa because everyone has a different opinion that is factual.



lol That's exactly what I mean plot not plot armor my mistake when I first post. I am not trying to "abuse" term plot, nor am I making out make out bigger sorry if I gave you that impression. What I mean is when Fairy Tail characters are protected by plot is that Fairy Tail characters are winning fights that they should had lost in this arc, this chapter is a good example of that. Laxus should had lost to Jura because Jura clearly was stronger then Laxus, but Laxus got fired up and turn the tables. Like I said earlier Fairy Tail are winning fights with no loses, while other teams are loses 1 or 2 members. I find that way to convenient. Hope that clarifies a little bit.

Agreed, the plot for magic game arc is not very good. This arc is Fairy Tail main plot dealing with the x777 related or least it suppose to be because before this arc Fairy Tail did not even have a main plot.

You do it again in fact. If the plot protects FT, then from what is it protected? From the plot itself? That's a contradiction. I mean it's the plot that decides who wins and who loses. You can call it illogical or irrational, but since when does a plot have to make sense? It's that exact reason why I like FT so much as it's something different for a chance. It's just a matter of preference. I mean it happens from time to time in football that a team that's definitely weaker still won the match. I also find that Jura was beaten a bit to easily, but whatever if I want to have dragged out fights, I'll go read Bleach. If I want serious fights, I'll go read Naruto. No harm done.

Yes it's convenient, but that has been pretty much always the case. Because there are so many manga's that follow that traditional plot, having a manga that does it differently is a nice breather. You can find it stupid, but it's a bit pointless to complain about that, when this manga has always been like that, and keep reading it.

I don't find FT the best manga there is, but it's definitely the one who I can easiest relate to because of that 'irrationality' and I'm not the only one. It's that reason why FT became such a popular manga. I like this arc, I pretty much always like the 'tournament' types arcs, it's just something that easy speaks to people.

 

[Scorps]

I wanted to say something but cali summed it up.

I'll add though that you only read the mangas you want to read. A manga, its plot, its characters and how it progresses are all "property" of their creator and writter. No one has the right to say the creator is this or that because they don't like how the manga is going. Its his manga, his call. Like it? all good, continue to read. Don't like it? Tons of other mangas to read or simply forget mangas and read Twilight or 50 shades of gray or wahtever floats your boat.

Was this the best chapter? No. Was this the worse? Hell no. This chapter was simply one more in the essence of what is FT. It didn't deviate one bit from what we are used to in FT.

Take Naruto... He always wins, against all odds, using the same technique over and over again. Luffy always wins with "nakama" power as well. So why is FT different? Why is Hiro the troll who is killing the manga when he is doing the same he always did?

As for the Anime, it has been known in a spoiler that it would end in the end of march for about...8 or 10 days i think (i can't precise it). Confirmation came from Hiro's tweeter account on friday. But foruns were circulatioing for a few days a cover of the anime where it was written in japanese that it would end with episode 175 in 30th of march. It has nothing to do with this chapter.

 

[CrimsonFire]

You do it again in fact. If the plot protects FT, then from what is it protected? From the plot itself? That's a contradiction. I mean it's the plot that decides who wins and who loses. You can call it illogical or irrational, but since when does a plot have to make sense? It's that exact reason why I like FT so much as it's something different for a chance. It's just a matter of preference. I mean it happens from time to time in football that a team that's definitely weaker still won the match. I also find that Jura was beaten a bit to easily, but whatever if I want to have dragged out fights, I'll go read Bleach. If I want serious fights, I'll go read Naruto. No harm done.

Yes it's convenient, but that has been pretty much always the case. Because there are so many manga's that follow that traditional plot, having a manga that does it differently is a nice breather. You can find it stupid, but it's a bit pointless to complain about that, when this manga has always been like that, and keep reading it.

I don't find FT the best manga there is, but it's definitely the one who I can easiest relate to because of that 'irrationality' and I'm not the only one. It's that reason why FT became such a popular manga. I like this arc, I pretty much always like the 'tournament' types arcs, it's just something that easy speaks to people.

I do agree with on you on the fact when comes to Fairy Tail it is a preference. If you like action, if you want to turn off your brain, or if you like fan service then Fairy Tail is your manga because that's all Fairy Tail is in a nutshell. Ok I will put like this then, there are some events in the Fairy Tail where it is not logical like what happen in this weeks chapter, Laxus beats Jura easily and Erza activate second origin because Erza "guild is her rage". The plot is always important because plot is the story itself, it tells you what happens next, and answers what the story is about. For fairy tail case, Fairy Tail never had a main plot that it focus on, all we know about Fairy Tail is that the story seem to involve around x777 related lucy mom, the dragons disappearance, and Zeref. Before the magic games arc, the Fairy Tail story did not focus enough on that concept in the story, the plot was scattered the way I see it.

LOL Who said anything about complaining? I just thought this week chapter was not very good, I even said it was my opinion and list why I felt it was not a good chapter that's all. There will always be people who do not like a chapter, complain, criticize or like a chapter, praise a chapter, and give positive feed back in any manga series all the time because everyone has a different view and opinion, if you can not handle someone else opinion then I do not know what to tell you. I do see your point and that goes back to everyone having a different preference.

True, Fairy Tail can be fun read if you turn off your brain and treat it like a morning cartoon right, but again not everyone is going to feel that way all the time. For me I am in the middle sometimes I look at Fairy Tail logically and sometimes I read without caring about the logic.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Now you've Done it! You guys all want me to leave but now I'll answer all your Pitful Illogical Explanations!!

I will fully explain detail, so you will wake up from this nonsense!!

First of All, when I mean by "Everyone" I meant that the majority of the people is dropping this Series out.

Second of all, Haven't you noticed that too many different communities like youtubes, facebook, or so many others sites are ranting this series. The fact that there are "few" people with many of them in this section who disagree with me are just nothing but lack of stupidity because you can only post and rate in this section only if you enjoy Fairytail. It proofs that not alot of people like Fairytail!
Now I know, now I know that this is strictly upon this fairytail base!
Not even Naruto, Bleach, or One Piece are like this. Unlike this section, Naruto rating chapters section has more honest people entitled their opinions since there are so many people participate with the discussions same with Bleach and One Piece. Some are disrespectful manners ways, some are serious, some are even trolling, some are happy, some are exciting, etc This way we can determine how truly good/bad the chapters are.
As the fans, we have the right to criticize based on our thoughts, and opinions based on how we view structural Standpoints.

You said that Fairytail is one of the highest rated manga on the communities. Fairytails used to have good rating before Tenjro Island arc but now it has lost its potential to become Top 3 Manga/Anime. Fairytail is just being OVERRATED, and Hiro is working 2 series, how can he manage to work both manga at a same time?? Working one series takes you days and nights. But guess what, he doesn't care for fans, he's using us by supporting him just to make money.

The rating for FT manga are animes news network, shonen, and other world wide communities. So no Don't make me laugh, this section is nothing more but lackluster.

Fine then, everyone has entitled to their own opinion. But let me get this Straight.
-Do you Honest to GOD Really Believe that Every Issues in Your Life can Be Over Come With FriendShip&Feelings????

-You are telling me that you enjoy FairyTail knock out all the foes/villians with 1-HIT-KO every fights that doesn't put up a good fight!


- You like to see How Hiro utterlty destroys Laxus, Erza or if not everyone characters Development and almost everyone become like Natsu.

- All with the Powerups, power abilities, and physics that totally doesn't make sense anymore since everyone got trolled, yet you enjoy it.

So your telling me that you enjoy this kind of series and you find awesome chapters. But wait, its just your "Opinion" Just sayin

Look if you or anyone enjoy/entertain this kind of Series, that's fine by me, but don't think that the quality itself can reach the potential to become Top 3 Manga/Anime, it's not even coming close to Naruto, Bleach, Onepiece. This is Factual were talking about!

I've put my heart in the bottom of my soul, that Hiro would make Fairytail an enjoyment series just like how good it used to be, but now Hiro is trolling us and it's like a slap in the face. This is how I feel after I read this week chapter, so I could express myself
I've come for some purpose, to address that as a fan of fairytail, I am really disappointed that he destroy his manga, and that I had to drop this series out.
But instead, you guys are extremely butthurt, and You said that I can leave anytime, but thats not the point, the point is that you've talked me back which I had to answer all your pitiful illogical questions just to make them straight the fact!! That is my pride, I will not leave until you guys are clear that is all!!

P.S. If you find this too offensive, by all mean ban me, but it won't change a thing! Everyone has the right to Express themselves!

Not everyone is dropping the series out, that's a complete baseless statement. The fact that there are people who disagree with you alone is proof of that. FT is currently still one of the highest rated manga's on manga forums/sites to the point people even started to mention it together with the Big 3: OP, Bleach and Naruto. I haven't a clue to which ratings you are referring to, but I really hope it aren't the one of the poll of this thread as that just would be laughable.

You find this a horrible chapter, I find this a normal chapter. Not the best, but not a bad one either. It's a personal opinion as I don't find it that Hiro is destroying his manga.

And yes I heard that, I also know that statement of yours is drenched in naivety as this is what you just said "oh no, FT had a bad chapter this week, so we have to remove the anime right now!". That's just preposterous =/ decisions like that aren't made on a whim, if anything that was a pure coincidence or did you see that as some kind of divine intervention of a higher being? And then I'm not even taking into consideration the time that chapter got released in Japan and here and the time difference.

Yes you have the right to voice your own opinion, I never denied that nor forbid you to voice it. However you do not have the right to threaten the mangaka and you can voice an opinion without the foul language, which is against the forum rules.



Of course we talk back, that's what threads are for. If you don't want anyone to talk back, don't post or don't reply to them, but complaining that people do it is just irrational. As said before it's completely subjective whether you find this chapter good or not, however you are acting like your opinion is actual truth.

For the record I never claimed that FT is the best manga ever and to me anime are always secondary, no matter which one. So now you're pretty much making things up, assuming them as you see fit. How convenient for you that you make people in your head the way you want them to be just so that you can criticize them.

And no it's not even possible to ban someone from an entire section nor did I ever ban someone for just going into an argument with me. However I did punish people who broke the rules and currently you are harassing several members, including me, just because you can't hack it that people aren't of the same opinion of yours, so you are being a hypocrite as you are accusing me without a shred of evidence, void of any kind of proof that I banned people from this section just because they didn't like FT and you said that just because I didn't agree with you =/

You post here opinion, finding this a horrible chapter, but consider that 'opinion' of yours as solid truth and people aren't, according to you, not even allowed to disagree with you. You assume an accuse things and people without any kind of basis. Apparently the thought that your opinion might be the the one that's actually the odd one out and that the people who find this a normal/good chapter are the largest group. Well that's just plain arrogance from your part as to you it seems your own opinion is law. I can perfectly understand why people wouldn't like this chapter, however I don't have to agree with the opinion nor with the reasons why you think it's a bad chapter. That is my right and if you post, you automatically accept that people have the right to disagree with you. If you don't, then don't post at all.

Anime and manga haven't so much to do with each other, with the exception being when they are too close with each other. Anime's have been made from countless of manga's and then just stopped for various reasons while the manga just continued without any kind of trouble (for example Air Gear and History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi). No matter how trashy you find the manga, it's a fact that it's very popular, so that it would have something to do with Hiro's writing is baseless BS.



I love this tournament arc also define 'a lot of people' as likewise there are 'a lot of people' love this tournament arc.

As long as you keep posting, we have the right to reply, this is not your thread nor your section. If you want to leave, then leave. Seriously I think more than one person would be happy about you leaving, no one is forcing you to stay. That we reply to your messages? Well you posted, so it's not uncommon for people to react on it, but no is saying you have to reply on that reply, that's your decision.

Also last warning call someone a 'fairytard' one more time and I'm going to punish you as that is harassment.



You do it again in fact. If the plot protects FT, then from what is it protected? From the plot itself? That's a contradiction. I mean it's the plot that decides who wins and who loses. You can call it illogical or irrational, but since when does a plot have to make sense? It's that exact reason why I like FT so much as it's something different for a chance. It's just a matter of preference. I mean it happens from time to time in football that a team that's definitely weaker still won the match. I also find that Jura was beaten a bit to easily, but whatever if I want to have dragged out fights, I'll go read Bleach. If I want serious fights, I'll go read Naruto. No harm done.

Yes it's convenient, but that has been pretty much always the case. Because there are so many manga's that follow that traditional plot, having a manga that does it differently is a nice breather. You can find it stupid, but it's a bit pointless to complain about that, when this manga has always been like that, and keep reading it.

I don't find FT the best manga there is, but it's definitely the one who I can easiest relate to because of that 'irrationality' and I'm not the only one. It's that reason why FT became such a popular manga. I like this arc, I pretty much always like the 'tournament' types arcs, it's just something that easy speaks to people.

 

[BusinessManTeno]

I wanted to say something but cali summed it up.

I'll add though that you only read the mangas you want to read. A manga, its plot, its characters and how it progresses are all "property" of their creator and writter. No one has the right to say the creator is this or that because they don't like how the manga is going. Its his manga, his call. Like it? all good, continue to read. Don't like it? Tons of other mangas to read or simply forget mangas and read Twilight or 50 shades of gray or wahtever floats your boat.

Was this the best chapter? No. Was this the worse? Hell no. This chapter was simply one more in the essence of what is FT. It didn't deviate one bit from what we are used to in FT.

Take Naruto... He always wins, against all odds, using the same technique over and over again. Luffy always wins with "nakama" power as well. So why is FT different? Why is Hiro the troll who is killing the manga when he is doing the same he always did?

As for the Anime, it has been known in a spoiler that it would end in the end of march for about...8 or 10 days i think (i can't precise it). Confirmation came from Hiro's tweeter account on friday. But foruns were circulatioing for a few days a cover of the anime where it was written in japanese that it would end with episode 175 in 30th of march. It has nothing to do with this chapter.

Ima actually have to disagree with the bold... One thing i like about one piece above all is that. Their realistic.. Showing that. Example One

Zoro Vs The Best and Strongest Warlord and personally my favorite .. Kuma
-They had zoro sacrafice himself knowing he couldnt beat the warlord. giving the strawhats a L.. not no asspull like Hidan and Kakuza Vs. Team Asuma.. but a Legit L

Luffy Vs. The Best and Strongest Warlord and personally my favorite.. Kuma
-Luffy actually unleashed nakama power there.. lol. when he did literally his strongest punch to kuma and dented his hands SLIGHTLY.. but got defeated.. giving the strawhats a L

Luffy Vs. Poison Dude in Impel down
- I dont even need to explain..... Luffy got pwned by this dude and only made it out with the help of others.

+More... One piece actually makes the main characters lose from time to time.....

 

[Dragonking43]

Now you've Done it! You guys all want me to leave but now I'll answer all your Pitful Illogical Explanations!!

I will fully explain detail, so you will wake up from this nonsense!!

First of All, when I mean by "Everyone" I meant that the majority of the people is dropping this Series out.

Second of all, Haven't you noticed that too many different communities like youtubes, facebook, or so many others sites are ranting this series. The fact that there are "few" people with many of them in this section who disagree with me are just nothing but lack of stupidity because you can only post and rate in this section only if you enjoy Fairytail. It proofs that not alot of people like Fairytail!
Now I know, now I know that this is strictly upon this fairytail base!
Not even Naruto, Bleach, or One Piece are like this. Unlike this section, Naruto rating chapters section has more honest people entitled their opinions since there are so many people participate with the discussions same with Bleach and One Piece. Some are disrespectful manners ways, some are serious, some are even trolling, some are happy, some are exciting, etc This way we can determine how truly good/bad the chapters are.
As the fans, we have the right to criticize based on our thoughts, and opinions based on how we view structural Standpoints.

You said that Fairytail is one of the highest rated manga on the communities. Fairytails used to have good rating before Tenjro Island arc but now it has lost its potential to become Top 3 Manga/Anime. Fairytail is just being OVERRATED, and Hiro is working 2 series, how can he manage to work both manga at a same time?? Working one series takes you days and nights. But guess what, he doesn't care for fans, he's using us by supporting him just to make money.

The rating for FT manga are animes news network, shonen, and other world wide communities. So no Don't make me laugh, this section is nothing more but lackluster.

Fine then, everyone has entitled to their own opinion. But let me get this Straight.
-Do you Honest to GOD Really Believe that Every Issues in Your Life can Be Over Come With FriendShip&Feelings????

-You are telling me that you enjoy FairyTail knock out all the foes/villians with 1-HIT-KO every fights that doesn't put up a good fight!


- You like to see How Hiro utterlty destroys Laxus, Erza or if not everyone characters Development and almost everyone become like Natsu.

- All with the Powerups, power abilities, and physics that totally doesn't make sense anymore since everyone got trolled, yet you enjoy it.

So your telling me that you enjoy this kind of series and you find awesome chapters. But wait, its just your "Opinion" Just sayin

Look if you or anyone enjoy/entertain this kind of Series, that's fine by me, but don't think that the quality itself can reach the potential to become Top 3 Manga/Anime, it's not even coming close to Naruto, Bleach, Onepiece. This is Factual were talking about!

I've put my heart in the bottom of my soul, that Hiro would make Fairytail an enjoyment series just like how good it used to be, but now Hiro is trolling us and it's like a slap in the face. This is how I feel after I read this week chapter, so I could express myself
I've come for some purpose, to address that as a fan of fairytail, I am really disappointed that he destroy his manga, and that I had to drop this series out.
But instead, you guys are extremely butthurt, and You said that I can leave anytime, but thats not the point, the point is that you've talked me back which I had to answer all your pitiful illogical questions just to make them straight the fact!! That is my pride, I will not leave until you guys are clear that is all!!

P.S. If you find this too offensive, by all mean ban me, but it won't change a thing! Everyone has the right to Express themselves!

Seriously you think that because the writer is starting to work on more than one project at a time he is going to let his work go downhill. I'm a writer who works on several projects at once, not because I won't to, but because I have to. I willing to bet you don't understand my statement, I'm the kind of writer who can literally be in the middle of one project and get an idea for another and if I don't develop that idea I lose it. Right now I'm in the middle of writing three different books, the ideas constantly evolving. As writers we can't help our ideas, only develop and keep them going.
Who knows maybe his other work will be a once monthly so he can keep fairy tail on schedule.

I also did start reading this recently but I also have some of the freshest eyes that can review where it is going. This chapter greatly advances the plot with the elimination of Jura, the release of Ezra's second origin and all that we saw.

Yes I will say fairy tail is childish but that's why I love it, just like one piece. I also think that as a person, you are weary ignorit. People want to escape the everyday, logic and all that's wrong in this world and that what childish things like fairy tail help us do. Yes you're entitled to your opinion but if and when you fill it with so much hate, you are ruining the reasons why we read these types of thing in the first place.

One more thing, I read everything and I clearly see you are in the minority. Those who hated the chapter repost often to make their numbers seem bigger, the vote is quite clear most think its either an ok or great chapter and I was with the latter of the two options

 

[Caliburn]

I do agree with on you on the fact when comes to Fairy Tail it is a preference. If you like action, if you want to turn off your brain, or if you like fan service then Fairy Tail is your manga because that's all Fairy Tail is in a nutshell. Ok I will put like this then, there are some events in the Fairy Tail where it is not logical like what happen in this weeks chapter, Laxus beats Jura easily and Erza activate second origin because Erza "guild is her rage". The plot is always important because plot is the story itself, it tells you what happens next, and answers what the story is about. For fairy tail case, Fairy Tail never had a main plot that it focus on, all we know about Fairy Tail is that the story seem to involve around x777 related lucy mom, the dragons disappearance, and Zeref. Before the magic games arc, the Fairy Tail story did not focus enough on that concept in the story, the plot was scattered the way I see it.

LOL Who said anything about complaining? I just thought this week chapter was not very good, I even said it was my opinion and list why I felt it was not a good chapter that's all. There will always be people who do not like a chapter, complain, criticize or like a chapter, praise a chapter, and give positive feed back in any manga series all the time because everyone has a different view and opinion, if you can not handle someone else opinion then I do not know what to tell you. I do see your point and that goes back to everyone having a different preference.

True, Fairy Tail can be fun read if you turn off your brain and treat it like a morning cartoon right, but again not everyone is going to feel that way all the time. For me I am in the middle sometimes I look at Fairy Tail logically and sometimes I read without caring about the logic.

Why is it actually not logical that Laxus would be able to beat Jura? And it was far from easy as Laxus didn't look very well at the end. That 'easy' is just because Hiro rarely drags out fights and spreads them over several weeks. Once again a reason why I find this manga a breather, a change of pace. There have been worse examples of fights in the past that should have been lost and still were won by FT. That's just how it goes.

And I have clearly stated a lot by now that everyone can have his own opinion as it's subjective whether something is good or bad. So don't reply on things I never said with the things I actually just said, so don't start patronizing me with that I can't handle other people's opinion while I just clearly said that that's not the case, not to mention in fact you are doing the same as me, so we are the same. I also previously said that I can perfectly understand whether someone would find this a good or bad chapter. What I meant by complaining, and that too I've said before, is that I find that stuff about that 'Hiro trolls, 'he's destroying his own manga', 'stupid nakama power again' etc. unjustified as that has been present from the very beginning of the series. It's not like it's something new. I was speaking as a whole, not to you specifically as there are others who think the way you think. I have no quarrel with you, threads are meant for discussions.

And I don't see the plot as scattered, I just consider it vague. All that stuff about 777 and dragons is something that lurks on the background like a very fine thread that most of the time is hidden, but sometimes becomes visible. For the rest it's just mages going on adventures and eventually return back home having a party. It's not so deterministic as for instance Bleach.

Now you've Done it! You guys all want me to leave but now I'll answer all your Pitful Illogical Explanations!!

I will fully explain detail, so you will wake up from this nonsense!!

First of All, when I mean by "Everyone" I meant that the majority of the people is dropping this Series out.

Second of all, Haven't you noticed that too many different communities like youtubes, facebook, or so many others sites are ranting this series. The fact that there are "few" people with many of them in this section who disagree with me are just nothing but lack of stupidity because you can only post and rate in this section only if you enjoy Fairytail. It proofs that not alot of people like Fairytail!
Now I know, now I know that this is strictly upon this fairytail base!
Not even Naruto, Bleach, or One Piece are like this. Unlike this section, Naruto rating chapters section has more honest people entitled their opinions since there are so many people participate with the discussions same with Bleach and One Piece. Some are disrespectful manners ways, some are serious, some are even trolling, some are happy, some are exciting, etc This way we can determine how truly good/bad the chapters are.
As the fans, we have the right to criticize based on our thoughts, and opinions based on how we view structural Standpoints.

You said that Fairytail is one of the highest rated manga on the communities. Fairytails used to have good rating before Tenjro Island arc but now it has lost its potential to become Top 3 Manga/Anime. Fairytail is just being OVERRATED, and Hiro is working 2 series, how can he manage to work both manga at a same time?? Working one series takes you days and nights. But guess what, he doesn't care for fans, he's using us by supporting him just to make money.

The rating for FT manga are animes news network, shonen, and other world wide communities. So no Don't make me laugh, this section is nothing more but lackluster.

Fine then, everyone has entitled to their own opinion. But let me get this Straight.
-Do you Honest to GOD Really Believe that Every Issues in Your Life can Be Over Come With FriendShip&Feelings????

-You are telling me that you enjoy FairyTail knock out all the foes/villians with 1-HIT-KO every fights that doesn't put up a good fight!


- You like to see How Hiro utterlty destroys Laxus, Erza or if not everyone characters Development and almost everyone become like Natsu.

- All with the Powerups, power abilities, and physics that totally doesn't make sense anymore since everyone got trolled, yet you enjoy it.

So your telling me that you enjoy this kind of series and you find awesome chapters. But wait, its just your "Opinion" Just sayin

Look if you or anyone enjoy/entertain this kind of Series, that's fine by me, but don't think that the quality itself can reach the potential to become Top 3 Manga/Anime, it's not even coming close to Naruto, Bleach, Onepiece. This is Factual were talking about!

I've put my heart in the bottom of my soul, that Hiro would make Fairytail an enjoyment series just like how good it used to be, but now Hiro is trolling us and it's like a slap in the face. This is how I feel after I read this week chapter, so I could express myself
I've come for some purpose, to address that as a fan of fairytail, I am really disappointed that he destroy his manga, and that I had to drop this series out.
But instead, you guys are extremely butthurt, and You said that I can leave anytime, but thats not the point, the point is that you've talked me back which I had to answer all your pitiful illogical questions just to make them straight the fact!! That is my pride, I will not leave until you guys are clear that is all!!

P.S. If you find this too offensive, by all mean ban me, but it won't change a thing! Everyone has the right to Express themselves!

Now you've Done it! You guys all want me to leave but now I'll answer all your Pitful Illogical Explanations!!

I will fully explain detail, so you will wake up from this nonsense!!

I'm wide awake, thank you very much, awake enough to see that you are so arrogant that you deem your opinion as truth, even though it's subjective. Just like you hate the manga and chapter, there are people who like them.

And I never said something about you leaving, that was someone else because you said you were done with FT. So yeah if are done with it and you clearly don't like it anymore, then why are you still here? Now that's illogical. You're free to stay, I just don't see the point in doing that. That people reply to your posts? Well logically they can, I mean you keep replying on posts too. Also your reply is the most illogical one of them all as you just randomly assume things that suit you.

First of All, when I mean by "Everyone" I meant that the majority of the people is dropping this Series out.

So you know every single person on NB that reads FT? Or even better you know every single person in the world who follows the manga? And to top it off you know all their opinions about the manga so that you could make the statement that the 'majority of the people is dropping the series out'? Are you sure we are the ones that are sleeping?

Second of all, Haven't you noticed that too many different communities like youtubes, facebook, or so many others sites are ranting this series. The fact that there are "few" people with many of them in this section who disagree with me are just nothing but lack of stupidity because you can only post and rate in this section only if you enjoy Fairytail. It proofs that not alot of people like Fairytail!
Now I know, now I know that this is strictly upon this fairytail base!
Not even Naruto, Bleach, or One Piece are like this. Unlike this section, Naruto rating chapters section has more honest people entitled their opinions since there are so many people participate with the discussions same with Bleach and One Piece. Some are disrespectful manners ways, some are serious, some are even trolling, some are happy, some are exciting, etc This way we can determine how truly good/bad the chapters are.
As the fans, we have the right to criticize based on our thoughts, and opinions based on how we view structural Standpoints.

Likewise in those same communities there are people who don't rant on it and have no issues with it. About pretty much everything, there are always people that rant about it. And now you insult people just because they don't agree with you, which already shows you have no real idea what you are now saying, if you did, then you shouldn't need insults. You're just being arrogant, your opinion is not law. I already said before that you are free to state your opinion, but there is not need for foul language or insults. If you do well then it just means you lack the ability to back up what you just said.

You are also being severally illogical as since when are manga's, or anything else, meant for people who don't like it? That's beyond all reason. This section is for people who discuss FT and want to discuss it. Logically people who don't read it or don't want to read or don't want to discuss it are not going to come here. That's the case for ALL sections and for ALL manga's, games, cartoons, movies and whatnot. I have been in this section ever since it was made and overall trend is that the activity in this section has increased.

And LMAO, did you just now actually compare this to Naruto? Weren't you the one was claiming to be logical? Naruto has between 500 - 1000 people voting each week, FT 30 - 50 maybe. It's common sense that if you have more people, then you can have a more accurate image of the public opinion. I personally don't give much worth to those polls, half of the time I don't even vote in them, but as you just said that the people that rate Naruto, rate it more correctly, then care to explain why almost every weak it's the same: the largest majority of people give it the highest scores. But likewise there are always people who still give it the worst case and complain like hell. So if you would compare both of them, relatively seen they are quit alike. Naruto logically has a 1000 times more people here on NB than FT, so logically it's going to be more diverse. When you have a smaller community it's logical that the diversity in opinions will be less. That doesn't make them less honest, on the contrary. In such large masses it's a breading ground for dishonest people and I can know it as I moderate those sections.

Not only is your logic flawed, it works in fact against you.

You said that Fairytail is one of the highest rated manga on the communities. Fairytails used to have good rating before Tenjro Island arc but now it has lost its potential to become Top 3 Manga/Anime. Fairytail is just being OVERRATED, and Hiro is working 2 series, how can he manage to work both manga at a same time?? Working one series takes you days and nights. But guess what, he doesn't care for fans, he's using us by supporting him just to make money.

The rating for FT manga are animes news network, shonen, and other world wide communities. So no Don't make me laugh, this section is nothing more but lackluster.

What can be lost, can also be gained. Manga's are rated as a whole, not on individual arcs, that's just ridiculous. If that would be the case, then most manga series would fluctuate extremely. It's your subjetive opinion that it's overrated and for the record having mangaka who work on multiple series at the same time is not uncommon, in fact it's the opposite. There's even one mangaka of who I know was making 5 or more series at the same time. On top of that Hiro can draw really really fast and seriously that's their job and they have a whole team backing them up.

Doesn't care about fans? Just wants our money? Once again you are using your specialty: assuming stuff without any kind proof just so that it would fit your taste. When was the last time you saw a manga of the status of FT releasing 3 full chapters at once? Hiro is still to this day the only mangaka I've seen doing something like that since I started reading manga. He also regularly gives extended chapters, in fact this week should be one too.

I suggest you better start laughing, that would make it appear you are just joking and could save you some face. This section is currently more popular than it has ever been and you barely have a clue how the overall rating is.

Fine then, everyone has entitled to their own opinion. But let me get this Straight.
-Do you Honest to GOD Really Believe that Every Issues in Your Life can Be Over Come With FriendShip&Feelings????

-You are telling me that you enjoy FairyTail knock out all the foes/villians with 1-HIT-KO every fights that doesn't put up a good fight!


- You like to see How Hiro utterlty destroys Laxus, Erza or if not everyone characters Development and almost everyone become like Natsu.

- All with the Powerups, power abilities, and physics that totally doesn't make sense anymore since everyone got trolled, yet you enjoy it.

- It's manga, not life, or when was the last time you saw something eating fire or steel as nutrients? Seriously that you now actually said that. It's a fantasy-themed manga, meaning common sense is already a vague concept. If you want real life manga, read 'slice of life' themed manga's. On top of that overcoming your issues with your feelings and friendship is an extremely popular thing that's used in a lot of manga's. In fact the mother of all manga's, Dragonball (and with extenction DBZ), was based around that concept and Naruto, Luffy and Ichigo have no issues using it too. There are degrees in it, but yeah the examples are legio. Did the thought even occur to you that it's because it doesn't work in real life, it's so popular? You really have no idea what you are talking about, do you?

- For starters they don't continuously KO people with one hit outside characters that were already weaker than them, so you are once again just making things up. But yeah I really don't mind it that they beat the villains, it's rarely without effort nor is it that they don't put up a fight. When you're beaten to a pulp, you can't say the opponent didn't put up a fight. If I want lengthy, stretched out battles, I have Bleach for that.

- He just beat a powerful character, how is that destroying him? Also since when was it Natsu's thing? It has been present with a lot of characters of FT. Natsu is just the one that has been shown the most, but it's not like he © it. If I want to have complex personality background checks, I have Naruto for that.

- You talk about power ups, abilities and physics not making sense in a magical world in a fictional story? Neither Luffy, Goku, Naruto or Ichigo had issues to power up whenever they needed it and yes I enjoy it. If every manga would be the same, it would be plain boring. Such power ups have been there ever since Goku went Super Saiyan.

So your telling me that you enjoy this kind of series and you find awesome chapters. But wait, its just your "Opinion" Just sayin

Look if you or anyone enjoy/entertain this kind of Series, that's fine by me, but don't think that the quality itself can reach the potential to become Top 3 Manga/Anime, it's not even coming close to Naruto, Bleach, Onepiece. This is Factual were talking about!

I've put my heart in the bottom of my soul, that Hiro would make Fairytail an enjoyment series just like how good it used to be, but now Hiro is trolling us and it's like a slap in the face. This is how I feel after I read this week chapter, so I could express myself
I've come for some purpose, to address that as a fan of fairytail, I am really disappointed that he destroy his manga, and that I had to drop this series out.
But instead, you guys are extremely butthurt, and You said that I can leave anytime, but thats not the point, the point is that you've talked me back which I had to answer all your pitiful illogical questions just to make them straight the fact!! That is my pride, I will not leave until you guys are clear that is all!!

Yes I enjoy this kind of series and yes I find this most of the time decent chapters, sometimes awesome, sometimes über awesome and yes that's my opinion. At least I'm not so conceited to say that my "opinion" (why the hell did you put that even between exclamation marks) is the truth. I can perfectly understand why someone would not like it, but that's their opinion and that doesn't mean I have to agree with it.

That's your opinion and no it's not factual. All of them are popular, but I also have seen people who considered them as utter crap. Yes the overall consensus is that they are good and FT has gotten into a position it's starting to be mentioned in the same breath as those, still you are talking crap about it too. I'm not going to say that FT is of the same level as those other 3, however considering the position it is in, it can't possibly be something like 'factual bad'.

Hiro made it an enjoyable series IMO and I don't find it that he is destroying this manga, if you don't think that way, that's your opinion. Also the series has been pretty much the same, there is really not that much difference in Laxus beating Jura and Natsu beating Jellal or FT beating Phantom Lord, even though most of FT heavyweights weren't even there while PL was supposed to be FT equal.

You are the one who is 'butthurt' (I really don't like using that word, but considering you just used it I will just follow it). You are the one who started screaming offensive language without anyone provoking you. You are the one who started threatening Hiro, said that he doesn't care about his fans, that he just wants our money and that we are stupid just because we still like the manga. And all of that while you simply assume and make things up without any kind of proof or basis. The fact that you are accusing us of keeping you hear just because we replied to you, saying we disagree, is not only irrational but plain childish. You decided to reply on use the same way we decided to reply to you, so stop acting spoiled. You act like your opinion is the truth, while it's nothing more than your own, individual, subjective opinion, just like we have ours. So with other words you will have to spend your life in this section till the end of your days.

There is nothing to clear, outside that you are so arrogant claiming that everything you say is truth and apparently that arrogance is your pride. There are other people who didn't like this chapter or like this manga, that's their opinion as I too have manga's I don't like, but you have no right to start bashing the people who do like it and act like they are some kind of retards just for liking something you don't like.

 

[Mr Scruffington]

Seeing as this thread has turned into a "dump your thoughts about the FT series" kind of thread, I thought I'd share my input. This may be a bit long, but I hope some people read. D:

I enjoy Fairy Tail. Even though I only really watch the anime, and feel that it's really lackluster compared to the manga with its excessive fanservice and lack of blood/violence/a serious tone, it's still good fun. Having said that, Fairy Tail has lost a lot of its potential and a lot of the appeal it had going for it.

One of my favorite arcs of the entire series was the Tower of Heaven arc. The Jellal vs Natsu fight was the perfect climax. Every arc up until the end of Tower of Heaven gave us a little backstory on each character of Team Natsu (i.e. Galuna Island was Gray's arc) and felt like it was unraveling a bigger picture. However the biggest problem here is that there wasn't ever really a central villain or a central objective for the Fairy Tail series up until Zeref's return, really. Every antagonist, like Lyon, Gajeel, Jellal and Laxus eventually turned good. Hiro Mashima gave off the impression through a bunch of scattered foreshadowing scenes that Ultear/Hades were the major antagonists, until Hades got killed and Ultear ALSO flipped good. There isn't even a whole lot to go against Zeref for. From where the anime's at, the only thing he's done since "reawakening" was summon Acnologia to go after Fairy Tail (which he blamed on Hades as well).

To me, the plot feels too scattered and without any clear direction. Natsu, Gajeel and Wendy's main goal is apparently to find their dragons again. So how the **** are they accomplishing that by participating in a tournament? What's Lucy's goal? Gray's? Erza's? I can't even determine what the main plot or main objective is aside from some mystery with the year X777. This makes the series suffer, because it seems like the story is packed full of fluff and no substance. One thing that bothered me was how little importance Lisanna seems to have in the series. There was a nice buildup to her return, and yet as soon as she's back, it's like she's already taken a backseat and is no longer important. Her only purpose now is for fanservice and comic relief. Also some other parts of this series really let me down too, like Laxus returning to fight Hades. He got his ass beat quick. For an even more recent example, what about the Raven Tail Guild? It's like Hiro Mashima totally ****ing forgot they even existed and decided to throw them into the Grand Magic Games because of their lack of exposure. If Ivan wanted to go after Fairy Tail, why didn't he do that in the seven years when FT turned into a shitfest? Maybe this will get answered soon, but in all honesty their appearance in the GMG is completely random and there was a lot of squandered potential with the Raven Tail guild.

I dunno, there's more I could add, but I just feel Fairy Tail isn't up to par with other series. I'll use Naruto as a good example to compare FT to. There are major deaths in the series that develop the main character's personalities. Not everyone turns good; some major characters even turn evil. At the end of Part I, the plot was clearly established for the series. Defeat Orochimaru and the Akatsuki, Naruto wants to save Sasuke and become Hokage, etc. Not everyone is ripping off of Naruto and just copying his personality. Everyone admires him, but they all have their own ambitions and desires too, such as Sakura wanting to be independent and prove her own strength instead of relying on Naruto.

Maybe if you're the kind of guy who likes series with a whole lot of adventuring but little of substance, then this is the series for you. There's a lot of good things in the series for sure. It just feels like there was a lot more that should have been done. :/

 

[CrimsonFire]

Why is it actually not logical that Laxus would be able to beat Jura? And it was far from easy as Laxus didn't look very well at the end. That 'easy' is just because Hiro rarely drags out fights and spreads them over several weeks. Once again a reason why I find this manga a breather, a change of pace. There have been worse examples of fights in the past that should have been lost and still were won by FT. That's just how it goes.

And I have clearly stated a lot by now that everyone can have his own opinion as it's subjective whether something is good or bad. So don't reply on things I never said with the things I actually just said, so don't start patronizing me with that I can't handle other people's opinion while I just clearly said that that's not the case, not to mention in fact you are doing the same as me, so we are the same. I also previously said that I can perfectly understand whether someone would find this a good or bad chapter. What I meant by complaining, and that too I've said before, is that I find that stuff about that 'Hiro trolls, 'he's destroying his own manga', 'stupid nakama power again' etc. unjustified as that has been present from the very beginning of the series. It's not like it's something new. I was speaking as a whole, not to you specifically as there are others who think the way you think. I have no quarrel with you, threads are meant for discussions.

And I don't see the plot as scattered, I just consider it vague. All that stuff about 777 and dragons is something that lurks on the background like a very fine thread that most of the time is hidden, but sometimes becomes visible. For the rest it's just mages going on adventures and eventually return back home having a party. It's not so deterministic as for instance Bleach.

The reason why I think so is simply because I am going by what I saw and read. To me it was clearly obvious Jura was stronger then Laxus(even though like Laxus, despite Laxus lame quoiting of Natsu lol) during beginning of the fight Laxus was taking in more damage then he was putting out against Jura, but suddenly Laxus can fight evenly with one of the top 5 wizards saint and win. I did not like how fast paste that fight was and how it was setup at end of chapter. That's true there have been worse fights FT should had lost half from Natsu xD, I think Erza had one actual BS win and that was with Asuma. Fast past fight can be passable if done correctly and not overuse, the fights FT are nice to watch and to aw at, but I think constantly using fast past can be a problem too.



The people you are referring to are ether trolls who want attention or do not have a dam clue on what they are talking about because they are hoping on the "bandwagon". I do not dislike something without having a reason in any series even a simple reason and vice versa with something I like in a series. Oh ok I misunderstood my bad and I kinda understand your frustration about it is understandable. I have no problem with you ether at all really and I agree that what discussion are all about.

Ummm yeah in way I can see that, but for me it bugs me a little that FT did not have an"actual" main plot until the magic games arc dealing more with the x777 stuff and how some character development is treated cruddy like how Natsus character never grows or changes in the story for example. Huh I never once thought of Bleach as deterministic, but it's true when you think about.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

LMFAO, why are you even comparing a writer to mangaka??
Do you understand what purposes does mangaka has to do? A mangaka not ONLY has to write but also to draw. It takes a manga artist to draw 20 pages for 1 week and you had to spend almost the whole days with maximum 3 hours sleep. If doing 2 series at once, it takes you twice as much. That means that he is dropping his quality, and he has to finish both within a week. Unlike Hiro, Oda takes his sweet ass time working onepiece manga, the storyline, the characters development, which he had enjoys writing/drawing the series, which is why onepiece is the best manga. Always remain good quality, because the shit got real!!!

This chapters completely destroyed Laxus Characters developement. Jura is the top 5 of the Wizard Saint, and he is considered to be the strongest "Human" and the other 4 are like monsters like OP as Shit. You tell me that Laxus beat Jura without going all out with few puches and kicks took total of 8 pages (based on my analizes) and you tell me now that Laxus is the strongest Human??? Not only that, Laxus said "I'm Fired up" are you Fking kidding me??? He becomes exacly like Natsu, natsu who never ever got any characters development since Chapter 1 and he considered as horrbile. I expect Laxus to further develop the way he's always has been, like more rivalry or something better. But nope What Hiro did there when Laxus quote Natsu debating him, he took a Unique ass character and he literally took a SHIT on the unique character for Laxus, Hiro chuck Laxus to the side and I find it so Disgusting how fricken Hiro was able to take Laxus, build him up to be such a good character and then completely defiled his Character.

As for Erza, she is severly injured after big letdown fight against Kagura and blocks of pillars crushed her knees yet she got up to her knees and Speed Blitz Minerva. WTF is going on?? Minerva just explained her OP moves that she was able to manipulate Space within field of vision yet Erza was able to reach close to her range and slice her up. Erza unleash Second Origin Friendship&Feeling bullshit, and beating the shit out of Minerva. Makes no ****in sense Hiro not only defiled Laxus but he also degraded Erza Character.
Erza, who used to be self from lying mage, we saw the fight in part in Erza Skywalker. It wasn't Friendship Crap!!!! No!! It was fricken skill. They were warriors, they ran there and they follow all god damn heart and it was a beautiful fight.
OnePiece are a different story because it makes up a proper story plot, in times, good characters at somepoint has to lose, it it makes totally sense how luffy for example lost to crocodile because he has the ability to control sands, to suck all of the moisture out of living things. Now that makes sense. Fairytail continues to keep on win repeadtly every arc thats how it goes. Thats why Hiro is a bad writer, because you never sense the danger among them.
Of course onepiece and fairytail are fictional, the world itself are magical that we all strife to entertain ourself. However The main problem about fairytail isn't the outside world itself, the storywise, Fairytail shouldn't have won the tournament because it makes no ****in sense!!!

Seriously you think that because the writer is starting to work on more than one project at a time he is going to let his work go downhill. I'm a writer who works on several projects at once, not because I won't to, but because I have to. I willing to bet you don't understand my statement, I'm the kind of writer who can literally be in the middle of one project and get an idea for another and if I don't develop that idea I lose it. Right now I'm in the middle of writing three different books, the ideas constantly evolving. As writers we can't help our ideas, only develop and keep them going.
Who knows maybe his other work will be a once monthly so he can keep fairy tail on schedule.

I also did start reading this recently but I also have some of the freshest eyes that can review where it is going. This chapter greatly advances the plot with the elimination of Jura, the release of Ezra's second origin and all that we saw.

Yes I will say fairy tail is childish but that's why I love it, just like one piece. I also think that as a person, you are weary ignorit. People want to escape the everyday, logic and all that's wrong in this world and that what childish things like fairy tail help us do. Yes you're entitled to your opinion but if and when you fill it with so much hate, you are ruining the reasons why we read these types of thing in the first place.

One more thing, I read everything and I clearly see you are in the minority. Those who hated the chapter repost often to make their numbers seem bigger, the vote is quite clear most think its either an ok or great chapter and I was with the latter of the two options

Everyone has their own opinions, I GET IT. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I've came here to express my feelings towards someone who understand the series better so that if there are someone who can agree with me. I didn't came here to argue with someone. Why I'm here if I'm dropping FT?? So that I could criticize how bad a manga has become to show my biggest disappointed based on structural standpoint, characters wise, story wise, etc and to show bad sign. Like I said before, anybody has the right to criticize manga chapters, if it were that bad based on opinions matter. I was just confused and over exaggerated because I thought there are people who would understand a series better, and great place for good thoughts about week chapters in this section.(Not on insulting people) This statement is part Factual and Subjective.


I know what's exacly going on from the outside world, and I know how bad Fairytail has gone. I am not assuming, rather I've done alot of research, everyday on facebook I've checked the majority of ppl said they droping fairytail, same thing on YouTube, same Thing on twitter, ETC. LMAO, that doesn't mean I know anybody from around the world who doesnt read FT, I can tell because Ive researched across from most sites who doesn't like fairytail. Granted this is part Assumptions and part Factual.

As you said, I have no shred of proof, but should I need to provide some? No! Why should I when you can look up to sites to see for yourself, theres tons and tons and tons of them. Do you expect me to link you up to all those people who doesn't even read FT LMAO If you are that obsessed of my proof, I can link you up to youtube video of anime community for fairytail rants this week chapters if you want.

I'm not even insulting anybody from the start just because of their opinions. Anyone who are stupid enough to tell me that fairytail has logics and friendship and feeling powerups and intend to troll by saying it's better than other series thats when I start to insult. I can only respect people opinion if its the enjoyment of the series but anyone has the right to criticize whats bad. So yes, I'm being arrogant, and being Subjective

When did I ever said that manga are meant for people who who dislike??

Why are you even comparing Fairytail to OnePiece, Naruto, and Bleach?? Of course, every shonen manga has powerups, fictional, physics that makes "logically" sense in the matters.

I mean granted, Natsu got powerups when he sucks Zancrow blackflames and it makes sense because natsu can suck any kinds flames. However, Natsu got powerups from Lighting!?! WTF, now that doesn't make any sense as oppose to completely different elements. Now it comes to Friendship&Feeling, it fix what's inside your brain on some therapy shit. What hiro is telling us is that if you have any situation problems in your life you can overcome those issues with FEELING and FRIENDSHIP! Forget about your own goals, forget about your own desire, forget about your own ambition, forget about tactics, forget about smarts, forget about using your knowledge situation at hand, forget about luck or instinct, etc. what i'm doing right now is being arrogance.

Naruto has too many plotholes and inconsistencies but it's not as bad as Fairytail because what's worse about fairytail now is that it defies the logic. Not only that, but Hiro for some reason decided to break his own rules when it comes to powerups and power abilities. In Bleach, soul reaper can stand on air because of the reiatsu. Now that makes sense (That was the rules that being set by Tite Kubo)
In Onepiece, you cannot swim if you eat the devil fruit. It makes sense (That was the rules )

I asked you this: Do you believe that every issues in your life can be overcome with FRIENDSHIP and FEELING?
You answered that Friendship is a popular thing which I take it a yes

That means that your life is long and ****in miserable, just sayin

Now your just being ignorant, every almost week is almost the same, you can easily tell how much people dislike/like or bad/good the chapters are not just by looking at the rating but by looking at amounts of people posting . Screw the rating, there are some who are extremely fans, or they are trolling but either way I can still tell by the rating how good/bad the chapters are. If there are more dislikes rate 1/5 then the last weeks, this goes to show you how much bad the chapters are even though there always 5/5 every week it doesn't change a fact that a chapters will always be good. Thats why there are some who are extremely fan of Naruto can be honest. This way with all the hardcore fans, we can easily determine good/bad. This is part of my Assumptions, and part of Facts

I've explained how Laxus/erza characters development is a bad things if you read posted forums above.

I will continue to be here until we're clear, I'll keep posting because I enjoy what i'm doing until someone understands. That's how things goes, and arrogance is my pride.

Why is it actually not logical that Laxus would be able to beat Jura? And it was far from easy as Laxus didn't look very well at the end. That 'easy' is just because Hiro rarely drags out fights and spreads them over several weeks. Once again a reason why I find this manga a breather, a change of pace. There have been worse examples of fights in the past that should have been lost and still were won by FT. That's just how it goes.

And I have clearly stated a lot by now that everyone can have his own opinion as it's subjective whether something is good or bad. So don't reply on things I never said with the things I actually just said, so don't start patronizing me with that I can't handle other people's opinion while I just clearly said that that's not the case, not to mention in fact you are doing the same as me, so we are the same. I also previously said that I can perfectly understand whether someone would find this a good or bad chapter. What I meant by complaining, and that too I've said before, is that I find that stuff about that 'Hiro trolls, 'he's destroying his own manga', 'stupid nakama power again' etc. unjustified as that has been present from the very beginning of the series. It's not like it's something new. I was speaking as a whole, not to you specifically as there are others who think the way you think. I have no quarrel with you, threads are meant for discussions.

And I don't see the plot as scattered, I just consider it vague. All that stuff about 777 and dragons is something that lurks on the background like a very fine thread that most of the time is hidden, but sometimes becomes visible. For the rest it's just mages going on adventures and eventually return back home having a party. It's not so deterministic as for instance Bleach.





I'm wide awake, thank you very much, awake enough to see that you are so arrogant that you deem your opinion as truth, even though it's subjective. Just like you hate the manga and chapter, there are people who like them.

And I never said something about you leaving, that was someone else because you said you were done with FT. So yeah if are done with it and you clearly don't like it anymore, then why are you still here? Now that's illogical. You're free to stay, I just don't see the point in doing that. That people reply to your posts? Well logically they can, I mean you keep replying on posts too. Also your reply is the most illogical one of them all as you just randomly assume things that suit you.



So you know every single person on NB that reads FT? Or even better you know every single person in the world who follows the manga? And to top it off you know all their opinions about the manga so that you could make the statement that the 'majority of the people is dropping the series out'? Are you sure we are the ones that are sleeping?



Likewise in those same communities there are people who don't rant on it and have no issues with it. About pretty much everything, there are always people that rant about it. And now you insult people just because they don't agree with you, which already shows you have no real idea what you are now saying, if you did, then you shouldn't need insults. You're just being arrogant, your opinion is not law. I already said before that you are free to state your opinion, but there is not need for foul language or insults. If you do well then it just means you lack the ability to back up what you just said.

You are also being severally illogical as since when are manga's, or anything else, meant for people who don't like it? That's beyond all reason. This section is for people who discuss FT and want to discuss it. Logically people who don't read it or don't want to read or don't want to discuss it are not going to come here. That's the case for ALL sections and for ALL manga's, games, cartoons, movies and whatnot. I have been in this section ever since it was made and overall trend is that the activity in this section has increased.

And LMAO, did you just now actually compare this to Naruto? Weren't you the one was claiming to be logical? Naruto has between 500 - 1000 people voting each week, FT 30 - 50 maybe. It's common sense that if you have more people, then you can have a more accurate image of the public opinion. I personally don't give much worth to those polls, half of the time I don't even vote in them, but as you just said that the people that rate Naruto, rate it more correctly, then care to explain why almost every weak it's the same: the largest majority of people give it the highest scores. But likewise there are always people who still give it the worst case and complain like hell. So if you would compare both of them, relatively seen they are quit alike. Naruto logically has a 1000 times more people here on NB than FT, so logically it's going to be more diverse. When you have a smaller community it's logical that the diversity in opinions will be less. That doesn't make them less honest, on the contrary. In such large masses it's a breading ground for dishonest people and I can know it as I moderate those sections.

Not only is your logic flawed, it works in fact against you.



What can be lost, can also be gained. Manga's are rated as a whole, not on individual arcs, that's just ridiculous. If that would be the case, then most manga series would fluctuate extremely. It's your subjetive opinion that it's overrated and for the record having mangaka who work on multiple series at the same time is not uncommon, in fact it's the opposite. There's even one mangaka of who I know was making 5 or more series at the same time. On top of that Hiro can draw really really fast and seriously that's their job and they have a whole team backing them up.

Doesn't care about fans? Just wants our money? Once again you are using your specialty: assuming stuff without any kind proof just so that it would fit your taste. When was the last time you saw a manga of the status of FT releasing 3 full chapters at once? Hiro is still to this day the only mangaka I've seen doing something like that since I started reading manga. He also regularly gives extended chapters, in fact this week should be one too.

I suggest you better start laughing, that would make it appear you are just joking and could save you some face. This section is currently more popular than it has ever been and you barely have a clue how the overall rating is.



- It's manga, not life, or when was the last time you saw something eating fire or steel as nutrients? Seriously that you now actually said that. It's a fantasy-themed manga, meaning common sense is already a vague concept. If you want real life manga, read 'slice of life' themed manga's. On top of that overcoming your issues with your feelings and friendship is an extremely popular thing that's used in a lot of manga's. In fact the mother of all manga's, Dragonball (and with extenction DBZ), was based around that concept and Naruto, Luffy and Ichigo have no issues using it too. There are degrees in it, but yeah the examples are legio. Did the thought even occur to you that it's because it doesn't work in real life, it's so popular? You really have no idea what you are talking about, do you?

- For starters they don't continuously KO people with one hit outside characters that were already weaker than them, so you are once again just making things up. But yeah I really don't mind it that they beat the villains, it's rarely without effort nor is it that they don't put up a fight. When you're beaten to a pulp, you can't say the opponent didn't put up a fight. If I want lengthy, stretched out battles, I have Bleach for that.

- He just beat a powerful character, how is that destroying him? Also since when was it Natsu's thing? It has been present with a lot of characters of FT. Natsu is just the one that has been shown the most, but it's not like he © it. If I want to have complex personality background checks, I have Naruto for that.

- You talk about power ups, abilities and physics not making sense in a magical world in a fictional story? Neither Luffy, Goku, Naruto or Ichigo had issues to power up whenever they needed it and yes I enjoy it. If every manga would be the same, it would be plain boring. Such power ups have been there ever since Goku went Super Saiyan.



Yes I enjoy this kind of series and yes I find this most of the time decent chapters, sometimes awesome, sometimes über awesome and yes that's my opinion. At least I'm not so conceited to say that my "opinion" (why the hell did you put that even between exclamation marks) is the truth. I can perfectly understand why someone would not like it, but that's their opinion and that doesn't mean I have to agree with it.

That's your opinion and no it's not factual. All of them are popular, but I also have seen people who considered them as utter crap. Yes the overall consensus is that they are good and FT has gotten into a position it's starting to be mentioned in the same breath as those, still you are talking crap about it too. I'm not going to say that FT is of the same level as those other 3, however considering the position it is in, it can't possibly be something like 'factual bad'.

Hiro made it an enjoyable series IMO and I don't find it that he is destroying this manga, if you don't think that way, that's your opinion. Also the series has been pretty much the same, there is really not that much difference in Laxus beating Jura and Natsu beating Jellal or FT beating Phantom Lord, even though most of FT heavyweights weren't even there while PL was supposed to be FT equal.

You are the one who is 'butthurt' (I really don't like using that word, but considering you just used it I will just follow it). You are the one who started screaming offensive language without anyone provoking you. You are the one who started threatening Hiro, said that he doesn't care about his fans, that he just wants our money and that we are stupid just because we still like the manga. And all of that while you simply assume and make things up without any kind of proof or basis. The fact that you are accusing us of keeping you hear just because we replied to you, saying we disagree, is not only irrational but plain childish. You decided to reply on use the same way we decided to reply to you, so stop acting spoiled. You act like your opinion is the truth, while it's nothing more than your own, individual, subjective opinion, just like we have ours. So with other words you will have to spend your life in this section till the end of your days.

There is nothing to clear, outside that you are so arrogant claiming that everything you say is truth and apparently that arrogance is your pride. There are other people who didn't like this chapter or like this manga, that's their opinion as I too have manga's I don't like, but you have no right to start bashing the people who do like it and act like they are some kind of retards just for liking something you don't like.

 

[palmer]

Well its kind of to be expected that Laxus won,am waiting for this week manga,and why is it not out yet?
Secondly please am new with FT,and so who know FT base,please link me.

 

[Caliburn]

Well its kind of to be expected that Laxus won,am waiting for this week manga,and why is it not out yet?
Secondly please am new with FT,and so who know FT base,please link me.

Fairy Tail chapters are released on friday, on rare occasions on thursday or saturday.

 

[palmer]

^please do you know FT official site or base(eg narutobase.net,ect)

 

[Mr Scruffington]

Here I was hoping someone would reply to my post. Oh well. :c

 

[Caliburn]

Everyone has their own opinions, I GET IT. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I've came here to express my feelings towards someone who understand the series better so that if there are someone who can agree with me. I didn't came here to argue with someone. Why I'm here if I'm dropping FT?? So that I could criticize how bad a manga has become to show my biggest disappointed based on structural standpoint, characters wise, story wise, etc and to show bad sign. Like I said before, anybody has the right to criticize manga chapters, if it were that bad based on opinions matter. I was just confused and over exaggerated because I thought there are people who would understand a series better, and great place for good thoughts about week chapters in this section.(Not on insulting people) This statement is part Factual and Subjective.


I know what's exacly going on from the outside world, and I know how bad Fairytail has gone. I am not assuming, rather I've done alot of research, everyday on facebook I've checked the majority of ppl said they droping fairytail, same thing on YouTube, same Thing on twitter, ETC. LMAO, that doesn't mean I know anybody from around the world who doesnt read FT, I can tell because Ive researched across from most sites who doesn't like fairytail. Granted this is part Assumptions and part Factual.

As you said, I have no shred of proof, but should I need to provide some? No! Why should I when you can look up to sites to see for yourself, theres tons and tons and tons of them. Do you expect me to link you up to all those people who doesn't even read FT LMAO If you are that obsessed of my proof, I can link you up to youtube video of anime community for fairytail rants this week chapters if you want.

I'm not even insulting anybody from the start just because of their opinions. Anyone who are stupid enough to tell me that fairytail has logics and friendship and feeling powerups and intend to troll by saying it's better than other series thats when I start to insult. I can only respect people opinion if its the enjoyment of the series but anyone has the right to criticize whats bad. So yes, I'm being arrogant, and being Subjective

When did I ever said that manga are meant for people who who dislike??

Why are you even comparing Fairytail to OnePiece, Naruto, and Bleach?? Of course, every shonen manga has powerups, fictional, physics that makes "logically" sense in the matters.

I mean granted, Natsu got powerups when he sucks Zancrow blackflames and it makes sense because natsu can suck any kinds flames. However, Natsu got powerups from Lighting!?! WTF, now that doesn't make any sense as oppose to completely different elements. Now it comes to Friendship&Feeling, it fix what's inside your brain on some therapy shit. What hiro is telling us is that if you have any situation problems in your life you can overcome those issues with FEELING and FRIENDSHIP! Forget about your own goals, forget about your own desire, forget about your own ambition, forget about tactics, forget about smarts, forget about using your knowledge situation at hand, forget about luck or instinct, etc. what i'm doing right now is being arrogance.

Naruto has too many plotholes and inconsistencies but it's not as bad as Fairytail because what's worse about fairytail now is that it defies the logic. Not only that, but Hiro for some reason decided to break his own rules when it comes to powerups and power abilities. In Bleach, soul reaper can stand on air because of the reiatsu. Now that makes sense (That was the rules that being set by Tite Kubo)
In Onepiece, you cannot swim if you eat the devil fruit. It makes sense (That was the rules )

I asked you this: Do you believe that every issues in your life can be overcome with FRIENDSHIP and FEELING?
You answered that Friendship is a popular thing which I take it a yes

That means that your life is long and ****in miserable, just sayin

Now your just being ignorant, every almost week is almost the same, you can easily tell how much people dislike/like or bad/good the chapters are not just by looking at the rating but by looking at amounts of people posting . Screw the rating, there are some who are extremely fans, or they are trolling but either way I can still tell by the rating how good/bad the chapters are. If there are more dislikes rate 1/5 then the last weeks, this goes to show you how much bad the chapters are even though there always 5/5 every week it doesn't change a fact that a chapters will always be good. Thats why there are some who are extremely fan of Naruto can be honest. This way with all the hardcore fans, we can easily determine good/bad. This is part of my Assumptions, and part of Facts

I've explained how Laxus/erza characters development is a bad things if you read posted forums above.

I will continue to be here until we're clear, I'll keep posting because I enjoy what i'm doing until someone understands. That's how things goes, and arrogance is my pride.

Everyone has their own opinions, I GET IT. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I've came here to express my feelings towards someone who understand the series better so that if there are someone who can agree with me. I didn't came here to argue with someone. Why I'm here if I'm dropping FT?? So that I could criticize how bad a manga has become to show my biggest disappointed based on structural standpoint, characters wise, story wise, etc and to show bad sign. Like I said before, anybody has the right to criticize manga chapters, if it were that bad based on opinions matter. I was just confused and over exaggerated because I thought there are people who would understand a series better, and great place for good thoughts about week chapters in this section.(Not on insulting people) This statement is part Factual and Subjective.

No you came here not criticizing something as that can be done in a normal way with normal language resulting in a normal discussion. You came here screaming insults and foul language, threatening Hiro, accusing him of things that are plainly ridiculous, assuming things without any kind of proof nor logical basis and calling people who disagree with you stupid.

Not to mention you have a knack in contradicting yourself. You come here to 'criticize' (aka as just threaten and curse) the manga with people who agree with you, but people who don't agree with you are not allowed to react as you don't want to argue with those people, while you yourself said that there are only 'fairytards' here. You didn't came here to argue, but you proclaimed yourself you wouldn't stop unless people would stop =/
Have you find your common sense yet?

That you find this chapter and manga bad is subjective, that's a fact, and it's also a fact that you just came here causing a ruckus, pretty much dictating that your opinion is truth and calling everyone who thinks otherwise stupid and say they are saying nonsense, while you are assuming and making stuff up along the way.

I know what's exacly going on from the outside world, and I know how bad Fairytail has gone. I am not assuming, rather I've done alot of research, everyday on facebook I've checked the majority of ppl said they droping fairytail, same thing on YouTube, same Thing on twitter, ETC. LMAO, that doesn't mean I know anybody from around the world who doesnt read FT, I can tell because Ive researched across from most sites who doesn't like fairytail. Granted this is part Assumptions and part Factual.

I wonder what is the most laughable. You thinking that you know exactly what's going on or that you supposedly checked the 'majority' of people. If you had any common sense you would realize that that is impossible on all levels. You are assuming big time, it's not factual as there are always people who complain. We get tens of thousands of guests each day that come reading the Naruto manga here on NB, people who don't have accounts. In fact they form a larger group than the people who have accounts and that's pretty much the same for a lot of other things. You have absolutely no clue about the 'unknown' people. On top of that things like YT, Twitter, not to mention the countless of forums are too vast for any single person to follow completely. So yeah you are assuming things, you didn't check the majority of the people, that's complete bogus. You can only make such a statement if you truly have insight in the global FT community, which is simply said impossible; still you claim that you did it =/

As you said, I have no shred of proof, but should I need to provide some? No! Why should I when you can look up to sites to see for yourself, theres tons and tons and tons of them. Do you expect me to link you up to all those people who doesn't even read FT LMAO If you are that obsessed of my proof, I can link you up to youtube video of anime community for fairytail rants this week chapters if you want.

Of course you should need to provide proof, otherwise it only makes you a person with a big mouth edging on pretty much being a liar. But as I said before it's impossible to get a grasp over such a thing. At least I have the common sense to realize that. There are always people who complain, but there are also people who like it and yes I have seen people like that on other sites. That all of them like it? Of course not, but the fact that there are already goes against your statement that people are dropping the manga like hell. And of course I expect you do that, at least if what you say would be really true. If you can't, and as I said it's impossible so you can't, well then you are, as I said, assuming things. I'm not obsessed with proof, I'm just being logical. You make a statement without any proof, thus you are assuming and just one chapter would not be enough. You would need to post thousands of links about FT as a whole or since when is the worth of an entire manga determined by a single chapter? Every manga has good and bad chapters. If you now actually thought that, then I was giving you too much credit. It's not because that if the overall consensus would be that this chapter was not that good, that suddenly all those people start dropping the manga.

I'm not even insulting anybody from the start just because of their opinions. Anyone who are stupid enough to tell me that fairytail has logics and friendship and feeling powerups and intend to troll by saying it's better than other series thats when I start to insult. I can only respect people opinion if its the enjoyment of the series but anyone has the right to criticize whats bad. So yes, I'm being arrogant, and being Subjective

Your first post consisted mainly out of cursing and foul language and you threatened Hiro. That on itself isn't really an insult, but in your previous post you clearly said we were stupid:

Haven't you noticed that too many different communities like youtubes, facebook, or so many others sites are ranting this series. The fact that there are "few" people with many of them in this section who disagree with me are just nothing but lack of stupidity

On top of that you also said that Hiro doens't care about his fans and that he only thinks of money, which is in fact also insulting him. And insulting is insulting, regardless of what the reason is. If you can't discuss something without insulting, well then don't bother going into discussions as it means you don't have the skill for it. You can criticize what you think is bad, but then you also need to realize that people can disagree with you, something you apparently don't accept and criticizing doesn't mean insulting, threaten or use foul language.

Why are you even comparing Fairytail to OnePiece, Naruto, and Bleach?? Of course, every shonen manga has powerups, fictional, physics that makes "logically" sense in the matters.

I mean granted, Natsu got powerups when he sucks Zancrow blackflames and it makes sense because natsu can suck any kinds flames. However, Natsu got powerups from Lighting!?! WTF, now that doesn't make any sense as oppose to completely different elements. Now it comes to Friendship&Feeling, it fix what's inside your brain on some therapy shit. What hiro is telling us is that if you have any situation problems in your life you can overcome those issues with FEELING and FRIENDSHIP! Forget about your own goals, forget about your own desire, forget about your own ambition, forget about tactics, forget about smarts, forget about using your knowledge situation at hand, forget about luck or instinct, etc. what i'm doing right now is being arrogance.

Because they have similar aspects. They're all different manga's, but they also have several similarities. Especially Naruto, OP and FT as all of their authors have been strongly influenced by Dragonball, something most of them admitted. If you complain about something that's present in all of these manga's, but only do it in the case of FT, well yeah then there is something seriously wrong in your reasoning. Does Luffy beating Crocodile while he already lost twice to him, almost getting killed but got saved on the very last moment twice, restoring his strength after a two minute nap and suddenly being able to beat the crap out of him even though he should be poisoned, make that much sense? Does it make sense that Ichigo beats the crap out of Gotei 13 vice-captains and captains while not even having bankai, then reaches bankai in 3 days beating the crap out of other captains? While not even having a year of practice while even the most talented shinigami had to train decades, if not centuries? What is it that Ichigo said again? Something like that even though he knew he was fighting an opponent far stronger than him with no idea how to beat him, he just fought him and won because he had to win.

Makes so much sense. In the end it are mainly us readers who just accept it. I don't mind. Each manga approaches that issue differently, but in the end it still comes down to the same. So if you trash talk about things that are in fact omnipresent in a lot of manga's, why is it that you are proclaiming stuff like that Hiro is destroying his own manga, he clearly doesn't care about his fans, everyone is dropping the manga...while not saying anything about the other manga's? Are you planning to drop all of those too? I mean nakama power are Naruto and especially Luffy's forte and Ichigo has quite the collection of random power ups.

And once again you are assuming stuff. For some reason you keep dragging real life in this, what has that anything to do with this? Are manga's some kind of guide to 'how become a respectful, human being'? What? Many writers try to give some moral lessons in their stories, but in the end we just read it because it's fun or were you planning on becoming a pirate, ninja, shinigami or mage? Hiro isn't saying that you can overcome everything with just your feelings, that's you who is saying that and Naruto and Luffy have been reaping victory after victory on nakama power and feelings. Still I don't see you saying that Kishi or Oda just wants money and doesn't care about his fans.

Naruto has too many plotholes and inconsistencies but it's not as bad as Fairytail because what's worse about fairytail now is that it defies the logic. Not only that, but Hiro for some reason decided to break his own rules when it comes to powerups and power abilities. In Bleach, soul reaper can stand on air because of the reiatsu. Now that makes sense (That was the rules that being set by Tite Kubo)
In Onepiece, you cannot swim if you eat the devil fruit. It makes sense (That was the rules )

It's a fictional, magical world. By default it already defies logic. From the moment you are reading such a story, 'logic' becomes a vague, unstable concept. So saying that FT defies logic is indeed wrong as which logic is it defying? Normal logic was thrown out of the window considering it's a world that defies logic. So the author can do whatever he wishes with his logic then, that itself actually becomes 'logic'. You want his logic? Well FT members can turn their feelings into strength. Here is your logic. Why is it that DF users can't swim? Because Oda said so. Why is it that the cloths DF users wear are also under the DF powers? Because Oda said so. Still you can have endless discussions about whether that is really logical or not, in the end it just comes down to the author saying it can. Well Hiro says that mages can increase their strength with their feelings. It's no different from Oda or Kubo, this is 'Hiro's' logic. Do you want him to give an in detailed explanation on what exactly happens in their bodies? If an illogical world is void of logic, that in itself can be considered the logic. It's one FT strong points that it doesn't bother much with those details and just leaves it to the readers imagination. Both Bleach and One Piece have also a lot of illogical things, things for which no explanations were ever given.

I asked you this: Do you believe that every issues in your life can be overcome with FRIENDSHIP and FEELING?
You answered that Friendship is a popular thing which I take it a yes

That means that your life is long and ****in miserable, just sayin

Now your just being ignorant, every almost week is almost the same, you can easily tell how much people dislike/like or bad/good the chapters are not just by looking at the rating but by looking at amounts of people posting . Screw the rating, there are some who are extremely fans, or they are trolling but either way I can still tell by the rating how good/bad the chapters are. If there are more dislikes rate 1/5 then the last weeks, this goes to show you how much bad the chapters are even though there always 5/5 every week it doesn't change a fact that a chapters will always be good. Thats why there are some who are extremely fan of Naruto can be honest. This way with all the hardcore fans, we can easily determine good/bad. This is part of my Assumptions, and part of Facts

I've explained how Laxus/erza characters development is a bad things if you read posted forums above.

I will continue to be here until we're clear, I'll keep posting because I enjoy what i'm doing until someone understands. That's how things goes, and arrogance is my pride.

Did you actually bother reading my posts clearly, let me quote myself:

It's manga, not life, or when was the last time you saw something eating fire or steel as nutrients? Seriously that you now actually said that. It's a fantasy-themed manga, meaning common sense is already a vague concept. If you want real life manga, read 'slice of life' themed manga's. On top of that overcoming your issues with your feelings and friendship is an extremely popular thing that's used in a lot of manga's. In fact the mother of all manga's, Dragonball (and with extenction DBZ), was based around that concept and Naruto, Luffy and Ichigo have no issues using it too. There are degrees in it, but yeah the examples are legio. Did the thought even occur to you that it's because it doesn't work in real life, it's so popular? You really have no idea what you are talking about, do you?

Did you read it carefully this time? I even bolded it for you to make it more obvious. Stop assuming thing just so that it could suit you.

And apparently I need to assume now from your comment that both friendship and feelings are for you worthless in your life. I wonder who is the one that's miserable then?

I'm ignorant because you couldn't read my post. Was it worth intentionally not reading my post carefully just to say I'm ignorant? As now you pretty much mocked yourself when you started bashing on a question acting like it was answered with 'yes', while I clearly said 'no'.

This is a Naruto forum, by default the FT community isn't really large so the amount of posts by default isn't going to be excessive. We have now quite a few posts in this thread, does that now make this a good or bad chapter? And at most you can deduce from that how our limited FT community thinks, which can by far not be considered a representation. But I forget somehow you know how the majority of the world thinks because in your Hyperbolic Time Chamber you keep tabs on all vids on YT, all forums and everything on Twitter. First you are talking about the ratings, then you screw them, then somehow you can deduce from them the overall consensus of what people think.

Oh please. I'm being honest, such ratings are almost worthless like they are now. It's also very convenient that you talk about people rating 5/5, linking them to trolling, while you don't take even into consideration that there also could be haters who just think it's fun to rate 1/5. Hence the reason why such ratings are really a bad representation, especially when it considers very small amount of voters. Then I'm not even taking into consideration the people who think 1 is the highest score and 5 the lowest as you have those too. Half of the time I don't even vote in polls, still I post in the thread.

These are not part fact, these are again complete assumptions as you assume that all those people vote fairly. You assume that those votes form a correct representation. You assume that 1 bad on 5 good is a correct ratio (not only would you need to check all the votes in all the polls to verify if such a number is correct, what about the voters that are not in one of those two categories?) and then decide on yourself it's a bad chapter...so there only exist good and bad chapters? That it might just be a lesser chapter didn't even cross your mind? I don't consider this the best chapter ever, but neither do I think it's the worst.

And I'm already very clear. I'm no the one who keeps assuming things so that they fit what I say nor keep contradicting myself every 5 seconds.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

I thought you were clear that when I came here to criticize it also means that I insulted and threatened Hiro to express myself how I reacted this week chapters. Stop being ignorant. I never said I didn't insult him. I insulted him alright. When I came here to post in this section, I expected that everyone has free speeches even it means to criticize the manga artist to understand what it truly means to become good manga and bad manga.
There's some truth to it, everyone knows once they open theirs eyes and sees from actual events. If you think that I'm being subjective or Assumptions then there are something wrong with you in terms of understanding.
Don't get it wrong. The difference between my Subjective's and Facts is that how my opinions contradicts to others and it doesn't mean that my opinion of good/bad is the 100% facts. Its just that when theres facts, once you've seen it, there's always truth to it, you just can't deny it.

The funny thing is that you start to assume me that I'm assuming when I'm even stating the facts. As I said before when I checked and researched to many sites, there are all those people who dropped fairytail and the sections are case closed for the "specific sites". That is the truth no matter how you look at it.
But does that mean everybody hate fairytail? No!! In fact when I said that I checked the majority people is dropping the series, I didn't mention that there are also guests who likes fairytails who knows, so yeah your right there is my Assumptions. But that doesn't mean I checked all because as you said, itll be bogus Besides I bet there peoples who probably doesn't even use computers but like/dislike FT. Again thats my Assumptions

Of course proof leads to the truth matters. However thats not the case, since as you said, it's impossible to grasp over things unless for example that there are anime news stating that FT has dropped out because less popularity wise. The truth can be told that it isn't popular at all in Shonen, but it can be popular itself that people still enjoys it. Still People believe that it is my assumptions without proofs but what I know can be truth to it. This is part Factuals and Part Assumptions

Understand this, every manga artist have mistakes, when it comes to logic, they are usually good with story telling, story wise just for example, yes Kishi sometime have mistakes when it comes to Plotholes and inconsistencies, but he makes good stories because out of all 3 shonen, Naruto has the most good deaths, naruto doesn't always wins, he got powerups which makes sense because of Kishi set the rules among them. onepiece outside world doesn't have to make sense because it is magical that's why it called fictional. If you think that Luffy shouldn't got up because of poison, you got the wrong idea, it's quite opposite, it's not like fairytail, luffy got strong healthy body just when he trained 2 years timeskip to resist being poisons, he almost died when he was poison by the warren in impel down. But yeah your right, but like I said anything can be possible cause there's still within the logic and even so, Luffy lost so many times especially when he lost his brother ACE and got redeemed himself. Your statement is illogical because ichigo has lost the majority of the fights but at somepoint he got the powerups with inner hollows which makes sense. But now, if you read recents chapter of bleach, we all know now that Ichigo isn't qualified to be strong shinigami since he's half hollows, half human, half shinigami, Half Fullbringers, and now Half Quincy plus with all the shortcut training he should never be stronger than a shinagami who has trained for several years. This is my Subjective and my Assumptions



There's always makes no logic sense with Friendship&feeling even you said that it can boost magics by strengthen it. Whenever Fairytail boost magic by friendship&feeling that means no matter what, they'll always wins.

The fact is that friendship&feeling is fixing what's inside your brain, you produce some magic and get power boost that was your feelings which makes no sense. It's not that I'm assumming, it's what your seeing from the truth that was being told.

Fairytail is bad not just because of illogical, but also Hiro continously repeatedly makes fairytails win every arc which is annoying even you said some fairytail lost, in the end, it's always Natsu get ass's handed to him. That right here is my Subjective

No you came here not criticizing something as that can be done in a normal way with normal language resulting in a normal discussion. You came here screaming insults and foul language, threatening Hiro, accusing him of things that are plainly ridiculous, assuming things without any kind of proof nor logical basis and calling people who disagree with you stupid.

You continue to be ignorant of everything that I've labeled and I had to explain fully in detail as I said before there will always be truth for you in this reality once you've seen it. I am not being Subjective nor I'm Assumptions, everything I have seen are a fact, theres truth to it.

Not to mention you have a knack in contradicting yourself. You come here to 'criticize' (aka as just threaten and curse) the manga with people who agree with you, but people who don't agree with you are not allowed to react as you don't want to argue with those people, while you yourself said that there are only 'fairytards' here. You didn't came here to argue, but you proclaimed yourself you wouldn't stop unless people would stop =/
Have you find your common sense yet?

That you find this chapter and manga bad is subjective, that's a fact, and it's also a fact that you just came here causing a ruckus, pretty much dictating that your opinion is truth and calling everyone who thinks otherwise stupid and say they are saying nonsense, while you are assuming and making stuff up along the way.



I wonder what is the most laughable. You thinking that you know exactly what's going on or that you supposedly checked the 'majority' of people. If you had any common sense you would realize that that is impossible on all levels. You are assuming big time, it's not factual as there are always people who complain. We get tens of thousands of guests each day that come reading the Naruto manga here on NB, people who don't have accounts. In fact they form a larger group than the people who have accounts and that's pretty much the same for a lot of other things. You have absolutely no clue about the 'unknown' people. On top of that things like YT, Twitter, not to mention the countless of forums are too vast for any single person to follow completely. So yeah you are assuming things, you didn't check the majority of the people, that's complete bogus. You can only make such a statement if you truly have insight in the global FT community, which is simply said impossible; still you claim that you did it =/



Of course you should need to provide proof, otherwise it only makes you a person with a big mouth edging on pretty much being a liar. But as I said before it's impossible to get a grasp over such a thing. At least I have the common sense to realize that. There are always people who complain, but there are also people who like it and yes I have seen people like that on other sites. That all of them like it? Of course not, but the fact that there are already goes against your statement that people are dropping the manga like hell. And of course I expect you do that, at least if what you say would be really true. If you can't, and as I said it's impossible so you can't, well then you are, as I said, assuming things. I'm not obsessed with proof, I'm just being logical. You make a statement without any proof, thus you are assuming and just one chapter would not be enough. You would need to post thousands of links about FT as a whole or since when is the worth of an entire manga determined by a single chapter? Every manga has good and bad chapters. If you now actually thought that, then I was giving you too much credit. It's not because that if the overall consensus would be that this chapter was not that good, that suddenly all those people start dropping the manga.



Your first post consisted mainly out of cursing and foul language and you threatened Hiro. That on itself isn't really an insult, but in your previous post you clearly said we were stupid:

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On top of that you also said that Hiro doens't care about his fans and that he only thinks of money, which is in fact also insulting him. And insulting is insulting, regardless of what the reason is. If you can't discuss something without insulting, well then don't bother going into discussions as it means you don't have the skill for it. You can criticize what you think is bad, but then you also need to realize that people can disagree with you, something you apparently don't accept and criticizing doesn't mean insulting, threaten or use foul language.



Because they have similar aspects. They're all different manga's, but they also have several similarities. Especially Naruto, OP and FT as all of their authors have been strongly influenced by Dragonball, something most of them admitted. If you complain about something that's present in all of these manga's, but only do it in the case of FT, well yeah then there is something seriously wrong in your reasoning. Does Luffy beating Crocodile while he already lost twice to him, almost getting killed but got saved on the very last moment twice, restoring his strength after a two minute nap and suddenly being able to beat the crap out of him even though he should be poisoned, make that much sense? Does it make sense that Ichigo beats the crap out of Gotei 13 vice-captains and captains while not even having bankai, then reaches bankai in 3 days beating the crap out of other captains? While not even having a year of practice while even the most talented shinigami had to train decades, if not centuries? What is it that Ichigo said again? Something like that even though he knew he was fighting an opponent far stronger than him with no idea how to beat him, he just fought him and won because he had to win.

Makes so much sense. In the end it are mainly us readers who just accept it. I don't mind. Each manga approaches that issue differently, but in the end it still comes down to the same. So if you trash talk about things that are in fact omnipresent in a lot of manga's, why is it that you are proclaiming stuff like that Hiro is destroying his own manga, he clearly doesn't care about his fans, everyone is dropping the manga...while not saying anything about the other manga's? Are you planning to drop all of those too? I mean nakama power are Naruto and especially Luffy's forte and Ichigo has quite the collection of random power ups.

And once again you are assuming stuff. For some reason you keep dragging real life in this, what has that anything to do with this? Are manga's some kind of guide to 'how become a respectful, human being'? What? Many writers try to give some moral lessons in their stories, but in the end we just read it because it's fun or were you planning on becoming a pirate, ninja, shinigami or mage? Hiro isn't saying that you can overcome everything with just your feelings, that's you who is saying that and Naruto and Luffy have been reaping victory after victory on nakama power and feelings. Still I don't see you saying that Kishi or Oda just wants money and doesn't care about his fans.



It's a fictional, magical world. By default it already defies logic. From the moment you are reading such a story, 'logic' becomes a vague, unstable concept. So saying that FT defies logic is indeed wrong as which logic is it defying? Normal logic was thrown out of the window considering it's a world that defies logic. So the author can do whatever he wishes with his logic then, that itself actually becomes 'logic'. You want his logic? Well FT members can turn their feelings into strength. Here is your logic. Why is it that DF users can't swim? Because Oda said so. Why is it that the cloths DF users wear are also under the DF powers? Because Oda said so. Still you can have endless discussions about whether that is really logical or not, in the end it just comes down to the author saying it can. Well Hiro says that mages can increase their strength with their feelings. It's no different from Oda or Kubo, this is 'Hiro's' logic. Do you want him to give an in detailed explanation on what exactly happens in their bodies? If an illogical world is void of logic, that in itself can be considered the logic. It's one FT strong points that it doesn't bother much with those details and just leaves it to the readers imagination. Both Bleach and One Piece have also a lot of illogical things, things for which no explanations were ever given.



Did you actually bother reading my posts clearly, let me quote myself:

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Did you read it carefully this time? I even bolded it for you to make it more obvious. Stop assuming thing just so that it could suit you.

And apparently I need to assume now from your comment that both friendship and feelings are for you worthless in your life. I wonder who is the one that's miserable then?

I'm ignorant because you couldn't read my post. Was it worth intentionally not reading my post carefully just to say I'm ignorant? As now you pretty much mocked yourself when you started bashing on a question acting like it was answered with 'yes', while I clearly said 'no'.

This is a Naruto forum, by default the FT community isn't really large so the amount of posts by default isn't going to be excessive. We have now quite a few posts in this thread, does that now make this a good or bad chapter? And at most you can deduce from that how our limited FT community thinks, which can by far not be considered a representation. But I forget somehow you know how the majority of the world thinks because in your Hyperbolic Time Chamber you keep tabs on all vids on YT, all forums and everything on Twitter. First you are talking about the ratings, then you screw them, then somehow you can deduce from them the overall consensus of what people think.

Oh please. I'm being honest, such ratings are almost worthless like they are now. It's also very convenient that you talk about people rating 5/5, linking them to trolling, while you don't take even into consideration that there also could be haters who just think it's fun to rate 1/5. Hence the reason why such ratings are really a bad representation, especially when it considers very small amount of voters. Then I'm not even taking into consideration the people who think 1 is the highest score and 5 the lowest as you have those too. Half of the time I don't even vote in polls, still I post in the thread.

These are not part fact, these are again complete assumptions as you assume that all those people vote fairly. You assume that those votes form a correct representation. You assume that 1 bad on 5 good is a correct ratio (not only would you need to check all the votes in all the polls to verify if such a number is correct, what about the voters that are not in one of those two categories?) and then decide on yourself it's a bad chapter...so there only exist good and bad chapters? That it might just be a lesser chapter didn't even cross your mind? I don't consider this the best chapter ever, but neither do I think it's the worst.

And I'm already very clear. I'm no the one who keeps assuming things so that they fit what I say nor keep contradicting myself every 5 seconds.

 

[Dragonking43]

I thought you were clear that when I came here to criticize it also means that I insulted and threatened Hiro to express myself how I reacted this week chapters. Stop being ignorant. I never said I didn't insult him. I insulted him alright. When I came here to post in this section, I expected that everyone has free speeches even it means to criticize the manga artist to understand what it truly means to become good manga and bad manga.
There's some truth to it, everyone knows once they open theirs eyes and sees from actual events. If you think that I'm being subjective or Assumptions then there are something wrong with you in terms of understanding.
Don't get it wrong. The difference between my Subjective's and Facts is that how my opinions contradicts to others and it doesn't mean that my opinion of good/bad is the 100% facts. Its just that when theres facts, once you've seen it, there's always truth to it, you just can't deny it.

The funny thing is that you start to assume me that I'm assuming when I'm even stating the facts. As I said before when I checked and researched to many sites, there are all those people who dropped fairytail and the sections are case closed for the "specific sites". That is the truth no matter how you look at it.
But does that mean everybody hate fairytail? No!! In fact when I said that I checked the majority people is dropping the series, I didn't mention that there are also guests who likes fairytails who knows, so yeah your right there is my Assumptions. But that doesn't mean I checked all because as you said, itll be bogus Besides I bet there peoples who probably doesn't even use computers but like/dislike FT. Again thats my Assumptions

Of course proof leads to the truth matters. However thats not the case, since as you said, it's impossible to grasp over things unless for example that there are anime news stating that FT has dropped out because less popularity wise. The truth can be told that it isn't popular at all in Shonen, but it can be popular itself that people still enjoys it. Still People believe that it is my assumptions without proofs but what I know can be truth to it. This is part Factuals and Part Assumptions

Understand this, every manga artist have mistakes, when it comes to logic, they are usually good with story telling, story wise just for example, yes Kishi sometime have mistakes when it comes to Plotholes and inconsistencies, but he makes good stories because out of all 3 shonen, Naruto has the most good deaths, naruto doesn't always wins, he got powerups which makes sense because of Kishi set the rules among them. onepiece outside world doesn't have to make sense because it is magical that's why it called fictional. If you think that Luffy shouldn't got up because of poison, you got the wrong idea, it's quite opposite, it's not like fairytail, luffy got strong healthy body just when he trained 2 years timeskip to resist being poisons, he almost died when he was poison by the warren in impel down. But yeah your right, but like I said anything can be possible cause there's still within the logic and even so, Luffy lost so many times especially when he lost his brother ACE and got redeemed himself. Your statement is illogical because ichigo has lost the majority of the fights but at somepoint he got the powerups with inner hollows which makes sense. But now, if you read recents chapter of bleach, we all know now that Ichigo isn't qualified to be strong shinigami since he's half hollows, half human, half shinigami, Half Fullbringers, and now Half Quincy plus with all the shortcut training he should never be stronger than a shinagami who has trained for several years. This is my Subjective and my Assumptions



There's always makes no logic sense with Friendship&feeling even you said that it can boost magics by strengthen it. Whenever Fairytail boost magic by friendship&feeling that means no matter what, they'll always wins.

The fact is that friendship&feeling is fixing what's inside your brain, you produce some magic and get power boost that was your feelings which makes no sense. It's not that I'm assumming, it's what your seeing from the truth that was being told.

Fairytail is bad not just because of illogical, but also Hiro continously repeatedly makes fairytails win every arc which is annoying even you said some fairytail lost, in the end, it's always Natsu get ass's handed to him. That right here is my Subjective

don't you get it in all your examples in how the weak over came the strong what was the motivation behind it, friendship and feelings. that is how the big three manga explain their main characters motivation to get stronger. in every arc in ft some one is getting their butt handed to them, but their opponent makes the mistake of insulting their friends, beliefs or the guild in general, and the character is able to pull out all the stops b/c they snap. that's actually how its in real life, take it from a former wrestler. if you put your feelings, espetually anger into a fight there is nothing you cant do for something you care about. so all this every arc doesn't make sense because they use friendship and feelings to get them through everything, is actually the only real world logic the writer brings into fairy tail. so until you have been in a fight for something you care about that doesn't look like you have a chance of winning, don't tell me that your friend and your feelings cant help you in a fight because they are the only thing that will get you through it.

 

[Caliburn]

I thought you were clear that when I came here to criticize it also means that I insulted and threatened Hiro to express myself how I reacted this week chapters. Stop being ignorant. I never said I didn't insult him. I insulted him alright. When I came here to post in this section, I expected that everyone has free speeches even it means to criticize the manga artist to understand what it truly means to become good manga and bad manga.
There's some truth to it, everyone knows once they open theirs eyes and sees from actual events. If you think that I'm being subjective or Assumptions then there are something wrong with you in terms of understanding.
Don't get it wrong. The difference between my Subjective's and Facts is that how my opinions contradicts to others and it doesn't mean that my opinion of good/bad is the 100% facts. Its just that when theres facts, once you've seen it, there's always truth to it, you just can't deny it.

You did insult him and you did insult people in this thread, something which is against the rules and else very disrespectful. I never said nor implied that you insulted him or us by not liking the manga or this chapter and by criticizing it. If that would be the case, then I should have infracted several other people as there are others who posted here who said they didn't find this a great chapter and I had no issues with those people. You however started posting here comments containing quite a lot of foul language, calling the people who liked this chapter stupid and accused Hiro of things that you can't even proof and are on the edge of being absurd. It was just plain childish that you threatened Hiro and threw those accusations at him.

And who is the ignorant one? By now you don't even know anymore what you say as you clearly said you weren't insulting anyone and now you are saying you never said you didn't insult anyone? I also clearly said several times everyone is free to post his subjective opinion, but not to act like that is the truth, something you did, and without using foul language or insulting anyone, something you did too as that's simply against the rules.

I'm understanding everything perfectly fine as once again you act like your opinion is correct as apparently our eyes are close, implying that yours are open, again acting like you are speaking the truth while we are delusional. You are extremely subjective and most of things you said are nothing more than assumptions. I understand everything perfectly, I'm not the one who has no clue anymore to what I'm now exactly saying and keeps contradicting myself. Not to mention your posts start to make less and less sense, for so far they already made any sense.

The funny thing is that you start to assume me that I'm assuming when I'm even stating the facts. As I said before when I checked and researched to many sites, there are all those people who dropped fairytail and the sections are case closed for the "specific sites". That is the truth no matter how you look at it.
But does that mean everybody hate fairytail? No!! In fact when I said that I checked the majority people is dropping the series, I didn't mention that there are also guests who likes fairytails who knows, so yeah your right there is my Assumptions. But that doesn't mean I checked all because as you said, itll be bogus Besides I bet there peoples who probably doesn't even use computers but like/dislike FT. Again thats my Assumptions

The real funny thing is that you think you have stated any facts, while in fact you didn't. When you start saying stuff without any kind of proof, but act like it are facts, then you are indeed assuming things or where is your proof that majority of people start dropping the manga? Or that it's impossible to write multiple manga's at the same time? Or that Hiro doesn't care about his fans and that he's only after our money? One by one baseless assumptions, so I'm not assuming anything for the simple fact that you provided everything to proof my assumption, making it a fact.

Then care to explain when I went to several sites, they just continue reading FT there? What? They are the exceptions? How big are the odds! Tell me something why would that mean just because you by chance ended up on some sites that dropped it, that that is a representation for the entire community? A community of which you can't even imagine how large it is, let alone how active they are and what their overall opinions are. Not only is that plain ignorance from your part, it's just arrogance. And yes you have to check them all as otherwise you can't make such statements as what if you now, in a hypothetical case, just ended up on the few sites that dropped it, while the majority didn't? Then you are simply wrong as just because those sites closed, it doesn't mean that the majority of the people is dropping FT. So at most your 'truth' would be that on those forums people would have dropped FT, but not by a long shot you can apply that on the entire FT community, which you did as what does it matter that one specific sites people drop FT? As it could be very well possible that on other sites people who read FT increase.

Not only are you contradicting yourself -again- here as what point is there in saying that the majority of people stop reading and then saying that there are a lot of people of which you know nothing? In fact you just admitted what I said was correct. Are you even realizing that?

Of course proof leads to the truth matters. However thats not the case, since as you said, it's impossible to grasp over things unless for example that there are anime news stating that FT has dropped out because less popularity wise. The truth can be told that it isn't popular at all in Shonen, but it can be popular itself that people still enjoys it. Still People believe that it is my assumptions without proofs but what I know can be truth to it. This is part Factuals and Part Assumptions

Once again do you realize you are in fact completely contradicting things you said earlier and are in fact just agreeing with stuff I said? If you don't have proof, but still deposit a statement as truth, then you are assuming things. You said that the majority of the people starting to drop FT, that ratings provide a good visualization of that, that Hiro doesn't care about his fans etc. Now you come saying the things I said. There is no solid proof that people start massively dropping FT. Logically speaking there must be somewhere people in the world who drop, but likewise there would be others who start reading it. That's just logical argumentation. Even in Shonen, what kind of proof do you have there that it isn't popular? If you have no proof, then you can't just say something like that. It's of course possible, but likewise it could be it even becomes more popular. The only factual of what you just said was that you have no proof and that FT could still be popular with other groups, confirming what I said and contradicting your own, earlier statements. The only reason why we are even talking about this is because you made such claims.

Understand this, every manga artist have mistakes, when it comes to logic, they are usually good with story telling, story wise just for example, yes Kishi sometime have mistakes when it comes to Plotholes and inconsistencies, but he makes good stories because out of all 3 shonen, Naruto has the most good deaths, naruto doesn't always wins, he got powerups which makes sense because of Kishi set the rules among them. onepiece outside world doesn't have to make sense because it is magical that's why it called fictional. If you think that Luffy shouldn't got up because of poison, you got the wrong idea, it's quite opposite, it's not like fairytail, luffy got strong healthy body just when he trained 2 years timeskip to resist being poisons, he almost died when he was poison by the warren in impel down. But yeah your right, but like I said anything can be possible cause there's still within the logic and even so, Luffy lost so many times especially when he lost his brother ACE and got redeemed himself. Your statement is illogical because ichigo has lost the majority of the fights but at somepoint he got the powerups with inner hollows which makes sense. But now, if you read recents chapter of bleach, we all know now that Ichigo isn't qualified to be strong shinigami since he's half hollows, half human, half shinigami, Half Fullbringers, and now Half Quincy plus with all the shortcut training he should never be stronger than a shinagami who has trained for several years. This is my Subjective and my Assumptions

Once again you are contradicting yourself and agreeing with me. Earlier you were talking about Oda making rules and logic and ignored my comment that FT is a fictional world. Now you said exactly the same and are in fact finding excuses to cover up for your own flawed statements. If I had the wrong idea of Luffy, then didn't you have the wrong idea for instance about Laxus or Erza or even the complete manga? And that's your own argument. What you just did was trying to justify something illogical in one manga by shifting the problem to the reader, but complain about something illogical in another and at one point called the readers that that illogicality was great, stupid.

I didn't have the wrong idea, there was absolutely no reason for Luffy to be immune to poison. The fight with Crocodile was long before ID and Luffy was seriously suffering under Magelan's poison. He had a strong body? Well applying that logic on FT you can also say that Laxus has a very strong body, strong enough to take all of Jura's hits, regardless that Jura was stronger, and then finally could use his own strength to beat Jura. That is your own logic you just used for OP applied to FT. Still you only complain about the latter. Not to mention you also just said that Luffy looses fights. Is it that logical that Luffy looses two times to the same person, miraculously survives each time even though he should have died, and then succeeds in beating that person the third time, even though the only difference between the first two and the third battle was that Luffy by then was severely injured. No it isn't, that's just you deciding it must be somehow logical.

My statements are perfectly logical, yours on the other hand that's another matter. You just did it again. You accept that Ichigo can randomly power up whenever it suits him, but not FT members? Then you are going to make foul posts, saying that Hiro is destroying his own manga and doesn't care about his fans? In the end Ichigo always won his fights after getting a severe power boost. You accept that that is logical, but you don't when FT mages do it? You again contradicted yourself. I mean you just stated it black on white. Really convenient that Ichigo is practically any powerful race in existence and gets access to their powers always on the moment he needs it. Not to mention for someone who is only partially all of those races, he does a better and faster job at it then most of the ones who are completely one of those earlier mentioned groups. Also once again you just, in fact, destroyed your own argumentation as when you said "in recent chapters", meaning that before we had no clue about him being quincy and such. So following your own argumentation that means that for instance in theory in future chapters something could be said of "Laxus had a very large, dormant magical reservoir, which he opened when fighting Jura". But to do that you need to keep reading till the manga is finished before you can start complaining about it. So yeah once again you invalidated your own statements and argumentation.

In the end you accept the illogical reasoning of one manga. As you accept the reasoning of Bleach and OP, which don't make so much sense either as if anything you have invalidated that they have one yourself, but don't accept that one of FT. Using your own words, you might be getting the wrong idea. If you complain about illogical reasoning in one manga, but accept that of others, then in fact it means you are being hypocritical and are contradicting yourself. So then if you don't like the manga, it's not because of it's reasoning, but other reasons about which you don't complain and thus proving my statements.

There's always makes no logic sense with Friendship&feeling even you said that it can boost magics by strengthen it. Whenever Fairytail boost magic by friendship&feeling that means no matter what, they'll always wins.

The fact is that friendship&feeling is fixing what's inside your brain, you produce some magic and get power boost that was your feelings which makes no sense. It's not that I'm assumming, it's what your seeing from the truth that was being told.

Fairytail is bad not just because of illogical, but also Hiro continously repeatedly makes fairytails win every arc which is annoying even you said some fairytail lost, in the end, it's always Natsu get ass's handed to him. That right here is my Subjective

Both Bleach, OP and Naruto thrive on friendship and feelings, OP probably the most of all. How did Luffy beat Crocodile? Solely on feelings. He tried certain tactics, but in the end Crocodile beat him twice. Then suddenly Luffy beats him the third time, while there was nothing different about him. Makes no sense whatsoever, outside that in the end his feelings were reaching its boiling points and suddenly he beats Crocodile. How is that any different than Laxus beating Jura? Naruto and Ichigo are the same. Yes Naruto became stronger with the Kyuubi, but it's his nakama power that allowed him to do that. Ichigo beat Ulquiorra with transforming into a hollow, but that was also because he desperately wanted to protect his friends. You could say it makes slightly more sense because Naruto got the Kyuubi and Ichigo hollow powers, but then you could just "get the idea" that the feelings of FT mages manifest themselves in magical power, it are after all different worlds. In the end all of them are more or less the same, still you only have something against FT, but not against the others.

And no they don't always win, at least not instantly or did you forget the defeats of Lucy, Jellal, Gray and Juvia in this arc? Yes in the end they win most of the time, but that's no different from Luffy or Ichigo, who also always win in the end most of the time.

So yeah once again your statements make no sense and only invalidate themselves. Feelings creating magic makes no sense when FT mages, but Luffy does it too and then it makes sense? That's what you just said. Yes FT wins a lot, so does Luffy, Ichigo and Naruto. That's the case in a lot of manga's and that's the point I've been saying all along and you failed on all levels on disproving it, only making it obvious that your statements make no sense as in most manga's the main protagonists wins in the end. You are complaining about stuff in one manga, but you accept those same things in another, thus contradicting yourself. I perfectly accept that you and other people don't like this manga, but the reasons why you found it necessary to use foul language for that and insult Hiro are not correct.



I sincerely advice you to just stop this. Not that you will even listen to me, but you yourself don't even know anymore what you are exactly saying. You start more and more contradicting yourself and in fact start supporting my statements. Where you first start claiming that what you said are facts, now you start saying more and more that they are assumptions, just like I told you. You have no leg to stand on anymore.

 

[Yveltal]

Can't wait to see Erza rock Minerva with that new armor tomorrow :hooray: